Season 2 - EP #6 - Easter Eggs, BT, Footy’s TMZ and Tomahawk Evolution

Season 2 - EP #6 - Easter Eggs, BT, Footy’s TMZ and Tomahawk Evolution

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S2E6

[00:00:00] Wayne: I'm Wayne Carey, and this is The Truth Hurts. Well, here we are again, albeit a little bit later than what we usually are, because, uh, well, obviously it was Easter Monday yesterday, Tony. So, episode six. Did the Easter Bunny go to your place, Wayne? It, uh, it did reach my place. The kids, uh, far too much chocolate.

[00:00:22] Wayne: Clearly, you indulged. Um, we've, we've, we've, we've got to get you. I was about to give you 

[00:00:28] Tony: a compliment. 

[00:00:28] Wayne: I know, we've got to get you on to What I'm doing. Which is? Which is, uh, I'll reveal what I've been doing. Clearly, as you know, I haven't had a, it's now four, over four weeks. So. How many hours? By the way, it's not that, how many hours?

[00:00:43] Wayne: Oh, I don't know, that's a nip it. You're talking about being off the grog, aren't you? What, you're a tyre over this six week period. You've come in from wearing a bowl of fruit, a suit. You were all done up. You had the, you had the fresh oompa loompa look with the orange. You had the eyelashes tinted, the eyebrows done.

[00:00:59] Wayne: [00:01:00] Now you've gone back to the checks of a cash and not for fashion look with the jumper. The colleagues look over the top. You trying to 

[00:01:06] Tony: show off in front of the boss? 

[00:01:08] Wayne: You've got all of these, you've just, you're morphing into this. different person right in front of my eyes. 

[00:01:14] Tony: Wayne, don't worry about my fashion.

[00:01:16] Tony: You look like, 

[00:01:16] Wayne: you look like you've dropped a little bit too, which is good. 

[00:01:20] Tony: Yeah? Are you seeking compliments of yourself? No, no, no. Kmart's obviously the new black t shirt 

[00:01:25] Wayne: sponsor. I've, uh, no, I just, uh, you know. Well, you look like you've lost a bit of weight. The, the, uh, Easter. 

[00:01:31] Tony: Yeah? 

[00:01:32] Wayne: Plenty happened over the weekend.

[00:01:33] Wayne: Did you train? Did I train? Yeah. Trained all weekend. Did you? Felt fantastic. The one thing that I didn't do on the weekend, and everyone knows, I didn't watch any footy. 

[00:01:44] Tony: Oh, so you kept to your bet, did you? Of course, 

[00:01:46] Wayne: I've got three weeks to go, three weeks suspension left. Well, and I didn't miss, 

[00:01:50] Tony: I didn't miss much.

[00:01:51] Tony: I know, last week, You sent TikTok into overdrive. The Americans and the Chinese spoke about it. You nearly blew up the platform. 

[00:01:59] Wayne: What [00:02:00] happened? Well, oh boy, uh, you know what it, you know what it told me? It said just under 400, 000 people watch that on TikTok. Yes, it tells you that people are sick of what's going on with our game.

[00:02:13] Wayne: It got a, it got a reaction. So there are a lot of disappointed people out there because of the inconsistencies around certain rules. All that you hope now is that if that gets four weeks, I want to see, I want to see that maintained now. I don't agree with it. Oh. I don't agree with it, but let's make sure that they're consistent with it.

[00:02:33] Wayne: The thing that I saw over Easter, other than, you know, a lot of people eating a lot of Easter eggs in my kit, you should see the fridge at home. It is still chock a block full of chocolate. And you can't help yourself. Oh, so you did indulge? Well, you do. You have, you think you're doing the right thing, and then, you know, towards, it gets to about 7.

[00:02:52] Wayne: 30, 8 o'clock, and the kids are in bed, and you, you know, sitting there and you have a green tea and you get a little, you [00:03:00] sneak a little. So you traded 15 pots for green tea? You get a little chocky and then that turns into two, three, four. So you overeat. What was your, what was your favorite chocolate? I'm a Turkish delight man.

[00:03:12] Wayne: Now you either love Turkish delight or you don't. Bit soft on the inside? It's probably a bit like you and I, you either like us or you don't. Well, 

[00:03:18] Tony: well I did, for those out there who are watching. 376, 000 of them. Coriander's the same, either like it or you don't. Yeah, I had the big Toblerone, I got down at um.

[00:03:29] Tony: You look like you had the big Toblerone. I'll tell you what, if you, I tell you if you've got an autoimmune disorder like I do, do not eat chocolates. I'll give you the tip. I didn't know you had a Yeah, I've told you this, you were probably imbibed at the time. Now, speaking of Easter, Ducko, speaking of Easter, a very good friend of yours who you used to share a commentary role with.

[00:03:49] Tony: A BT. Big 

[00:03:50] Wayne: BT. Now, BT divides a people. 

[00:03:52] Tony: Brian 

[00:03:52] Wayne: Taylor. There's been a lot of talk on following on all these social platforms, the [00:04:00] negative feedback that people like Joel Selwood and, and, you know, legends like Luke Hodge. I mean, these guys are absolute legends. Trent Cotchen. No, not myself. These guys are, 

[00:04:10] Tony: these guys are some 

[00:04:11] Wayne: hate on social media.

[00:04:13] Wayne: Yeah, but hate for me, when you've been on the front page and And in the media as often as I have. Instead of the back page. A dingbat on social media, it is literally water off a duck's back. But when you're talking about guys like Trent Cotchen and Joel Selwood, who are pillars. Recently out of the game.

[00:04:30] Wayne: They are, and, and absolute legends of the game. Yep. You know, Premiership captains, Premiership players. Joel's had a stand named after him. Unbelievable human beings. The, the, the comments about their, their media performing is horrendous. So, which brings us into who you were talking about. It's an absolute disgrace.

[00:04:49] Wayne: BT, he gets a lot of, uh, negative feedback as well. As do 

[00:04:54] Tony: I, I think that's surprising. I reckon BT's probably, if not the best commentator in Australia. [00:05:00] I 

[00:05:00] Wayne: love BT. Yeah, he's 

[00:05:00] Tony: a 

[00:05:01] Wayne: good bloke. I love him. He probably should have said no at the Easter egg table over the weekend. Yeah, but he 

[00:05:06] Tony: carries 

[00:05:06] Wayne: it well. What I loved What he did on the weekend wasn't about football, is he got around and he was down at Bell's Beach.

[00:05:13] Wayne: Oh, now you just saw that down on Instagram. I did, and he spoke to Kelly Slater, who was an 11 time world champ. He, I just, They were thrilled to talk to BT. People don't understand what a, what a following he has. So I hate the negativity around him and the job that he does because I think he's terrific.

[00:05:34] Wayne: He goes into the rooms afterwards a lot of time. Rhyming Brian. He's put on the spot. He gets the dad's name or the mum's name wrong or the, he calls, you know, someone's brother that's the partner or, you know, which, which I think adds to the whole theatre of what he does after a game of footy, but I love.

[00:05:51] Wayne: And the thing that apparently Kelly Slater did find out about him, and this didn't go to air. So this, I hope they pick up, someone picks up on [00:06:00] this. This is breaking news. Go for it, Doc. BT, while he was down there talking to these world champions, and coaches, and you know, everyone down there, anything to do with surfing.

[00:06:10] Wayne: He tried to take his paddle board out. He snuck up and tried to get his paddle board out. And his wetsuit. But he got caught because the paddle board's that big. It turns like the Queen Mary. He couldn't turn it around. But he had this skin tight wetsuit. I don't know whether, where he got one that was big enough.

[00:06:27] Wayne: Is there any footage of this? Well, I would love there to be some footage because apparently he's out there and he's trying to paddle. So obviously not wear the wetsuit. Yeah, yeah. So it's got a big long board? He's, well, it'd be fair to say it's a long NY board, which is why it turns like the Queen Mary.

[00:06:44] Wayne: If anyone's got vision of BT, Trying to surf, down there at Bells Beach. I'd love to get it. That would be awesome vision. 

[00:06:52] Tony: The other thing is, which it would be, the other thing is, for those who haven't seen the Kelly Slater interview, it is on at 7afl [00:07:00] on Instagram, and I reckon a large majority of the public don't understand, How difficult it would be to do Roaming Brian, and also interview other people from another sport that he's not that familiar with.

[00:07:12] Tony: It's actually a masterstroke of what he can do. Yeah, 

[00:07:15] Wayne: well, there's also, I remember an interview that he did with um, George Foreman. George dropped the phone and walked out on him twice during the interview. Was it set up? Well, who's the, uh, who's the girl that got, uh, Nadia Comaneci? Yes. Nadia Comaneci. The Russian ice skater?

[00:07:32] Wayne: Ice skater. Gymnast, you nitwit. Oh, sorry. She I can't. Um, BT interviewed her one day. And I've got to, I've got to tell you the story, because if you Quickly. So, he's interviewing, interviewing Nadia Comaneci, or Comaneci, I don't know how to pronounce it properly, but He was talking to her about, uh, a lead up tournament to the Olympics.

[00:07:55] Wayne: Might have been 74, anyway, it was in the 70s. So she got the perfect, so leading up to [00:08:00] that, BT sort of says, Oh, well, Nadia, you know, you, uh, you, uh, didn't get a, you only got seven in the lead up competition. And, you know, were you thinking about retirement? And she said to BT, I was eight.

[00:08:17] Wayne: You've got to hear it. And then the George Foreman would say, yes, naturally telling. 

[00:08:20] Tony: I've been in that situation. I interviewed Kelly Slater at Melbourne Airport and I said, oh, you know, congratulations on getting through to the semis. He said, I was knocked out in the first round. Anyway, speaking of BT, we know he's a formidable figure in the mainstream media and he does a lot of good stuff for Channel 7.

[00:08:38] Tony: Now you used to sit next to him on a Friday night. What do you And the other thing that came up on Instagram the other day, Matthew Richardson, the great special comments man, and Dale Thomas, who has joined the network as a special comments person, both fantastic at their job. Now they've taken to Instagram to whinge about their seat allocation on the Virgin Airlines flight interstate.

[00:08:58] Tony: Now you and BT [00:09:00] are known, or were known to travel together. What's the hierarchical situation when you are traveling interstate from Channel 

[00:09:06] Wayne: 7? I don't know whether it's changed or not, but if you're flying from, if you're flying from Melbourne to Adelaide or Sydney. Yeah. You're in cattle class because it's a small flight, although you're platinum flyers because of the travel.

[00:09:21] Wayne: So we're all platinum. So therefore you get upgraded anyway, so you end up, you can fly at the pointy end and then any flight, so from Brisbane to Perth, generally they'll fly you up the pointy end. Although, I'm not sure about, you know, poor Dale or any of those, but BT, BT just got the record for goals at the MCG.

[00:09:41] Wayne: Just a little, uh, just a little note about BT and travel. BT will be at the airport four hours before the plane leaves, and he goes and lines up at the premium line an hour and 20 minutes before the plane leaves, and he just stands there with his bag. I'm not joking. If you're at the airport and you're [00:10:00] on a flight and you know that the channels haven't, you will see BT at the front of the premium line an hour before the plane leaves.

[00:10:05] Wayne: Is he an airport nuffy? What do you mean? 

[00:10:08] Tony: Well, when they, people turn around and they go to collect their bags from the carousel and they basically block everybody else from getting their bags. Well, one of, 

[00:10:16] Wayne: BT is a big blocker, don't worry about that, but he likes to get on the plane first and off the plane first.

[00:10:21] Wayne: I remember once the, uh, the front doors got locked, so he had to, they had to disembark off the back. It was the last off. Absolutely loved it. Let's get onto something a little bit more, um, serious. Yep. And that is what's going on in the AFL at the moment. Which specifically? Well, the drug policy. Yes. What are your, what's your take on it?

[00:10:43] Wayne: I've sat back and watched over the weekend and during the course of the week, a lot of people have had their opinions on it. I thought, by the way, I thought Patrick Dangerfield, the president of the Players Association, spoke extremely well about the topic. 

[00:10:56] Tony: Let me bring that up, Duck, because that's something that I agree with.

[00:10:59] Tony: [00:11:00] Now, Patrick Dangerfield was on ABC radio yesterday, uh, before the Geelong Hawthorn game. Um, And his comments are, I think there are a few dinosaurs living under a rock out there, with regards to the realities of modern society, and whether or not you agree with it. We get it, it doesn't make it okay, but we also have to live in the land that is reality.

[00:11:21] Tony: I thought that was poignant. I know he didn't specify anything, but as the boss of the AFL Players Association, it is poignant to think that we are a modern society. You can't base a 2005, I think it is, drugs policy on 2024. And this has all come about because of an ex doctor at the Melbourne Footy Club and the ex president.

[00:11:44] Tony: And also Andrew Wilkie, the senator who grandstanded in parliament. 

[00:11:48] Wayne: They gave him that information, clearly. He didn't know. Is that fact? Well, I, I, that's what I'm assuming. How else would have he 

[00:11:55] Tony: given that information? He went to Parliament on the Tuesday night and then the Herald Sun's [00:12:00] Michael Warner published it on the front page Wednesday.

[00:12:02] Tony: Someone had to 

[00:12:03] Wayne: have spoken to him. So, you know, I don't, but once again, I don't know whether it was a doctor or whether it was the ex president or who it was, but they've clearly. Well, the ex doctor then went to Chip McGrann and spoke on the age. The thing that I will say about all of this, I feel given what we know now about Um, and of course, Known and heard the whispers about that sort of stuff and there's rumours, there's always been rumours.

[00:12:27] Wayne: About Melbourne or generally? Players self reporting. So that's what everyone seems to have a bugbear about. That a player shouldn't be able to self report. Um, having spoken to club doctors and one of our old club doctors who was the AFL club doctor for a period of time, Harry Unglick he explained to me how many how many players have been saved by having this, um Can you specify saved?

[00:12:53] Wayne: From a week, from a life? Yeah, well, well, their life, their life. So, you know, they've, they've [00:13:00] self reported, and then they've been able to turn their whole life around. And I think there's numerous, and yes, you're always going to get someone that takes advantage of a loophole, and if that's what you want to call it.

[00:13:10] Wayne: And once again, what's forgotten about all of this is this is a player driven, um, this is a player driven, um, drug testing format. Instigated by the AFL? Correct. No, instigated by the Players Association, not by the AFL. So, look, I, I feel sorry out of all of this and once you, you hear it all and I don't believe in rumour and innuendo and now people are saying, Oh, I remember years ago, Um, he missed a game and he, he missed an extra four weeks because of a hammy and, you know, that was because of drugs.

[00:13:41] Wayne: I don't believe or I don't take any of that in. I'm, I'm looking at the whole, the, the whole story over, uh, what was an incredible, and, and some of it was escalated into an area that I just thought was blown out of complete proportion. But I keep coming back to, I feel sorry for, [00:14:00] now, not because of his stupidity, Like, Joel Smith's stupidity of obviously taking a social drug during the week and then still testing positive on game day is just dumb, right?

[00:14:14] Wayne: So stupid in its highest form. But I just feel like he's been made a little bit of a scapegoat. Oh, I totally agree. Given that players can self report and not be named or shamed at all, I just think he's been thrown under the bus a little bit, Joel Smith. 

[00:14:31] Tony: If he was a big name, it would have been kept silent, I reckon.

[00:14:34] Tony: I don't disagree with that at all. Now, um, Waino, you obviously played, what, 200 and Waino. Wayne? Duck. Played, Duck? Played, uh, 272 games? Yeah, 

[00:14:48] Wayne: what, what, we're reading out my stats now, what do you need to make this for? Just allow me 

[00:14:51] Tony: to go into the next part of the conversation. Do you, did you ever take illicit substances when you were playing?

[00:14:58] Tony: Never. Do you think any of your [00:15:00] teammates 

[00:15:00] Wayne: did? Mind you, think the bigger story is in my opinion, and certainly during my time, was, you know, the alcohol consumption. Now I never drank during the week, but after every game I would go and have a drink. plenty of beers. Yep. And then the next day, if you play Friday night, then you have plenty of beers on a Saturday as well.

[00:15:20] Wayne: And sometimes it could even spill into Sunday. So that was our culture then. It was a, it was a beer drinking culture. Um, so what I think what Paddy Dangerfield was alluding to was the fact that that this is how society's changed. We, we were beer drink, we, you know, the footballers were beer drinkers. This was 30 years ago.

[00:15:40] Wayne: And it is, you know, just like society. You know, these things have come into society, therefore It's always going to be, it's always going to find its way into sport because you're just an extension of society. 

[00:15:52] Tony: Yeah Um, do you think any 

[00:15:53] Wayne: of your teammates might have indulged? I'd be naive to think they didn't but I certainly didn't know about it [00:16:00] It's funny I was anti, anti, anti anything Other than a beer.

[00:16:05] Wayne: Other than beer. And yet beer's every bit as bad as Social drugs, it's probably worse you think about it. So, um, but that was accepted. Yep. And, and legal. Yep. Right. So they're the differences with the two. But no, I, I never knew of any heard, um, of anyone taking maybe. Maybe marijuana might have been Not, not to play though.

[00:16:30] Wayne: No, I'm not sure. I've never had marijuana before, but I assume from what I've been told about it, you'd probably go out there and want to eat a lot of cookies.

[00:16:41] Wayne: You might eat the football halfway through the third. Well, 

[00:16:45] Tony: apparently it does make you eat a lot. 

[00:16:48] Wayne: Sure, you're not 

[00:16:49] Tony: chuffing? No, um, no. Look, the other part of that is, to go back to Joel Smith without highlighting Joel Smith, which it sounds like a contradiction, I'm [00:17:00] not sure, Any AFL player would go out on match day taking an illicit substance, whether that be cocaine, ecstasy, methamphetamine.

[00:17:11] Tony: I'm not sure it's performance enhancing. Well, I agree, but I'd like to ask you, why would anybody think that would be the case? I don't know of any player of the past 50 years who's put on an AFL jumper and says, Oh, I'm going to inject, snort, consume and elicit substance, which is going to make me better on the field of play.

[00:17:30] Wayne: No, there's only, I think there's only one player in the history that, and that was Justin Charles and that was steroids, wasn't it? 

[00:17:37] Tony: Yeah. Steroids should be banned and they are. But in terms of illicit substance consumption, it doesn't make any sense. 

[00:17:44] Wayne: While we're on the game of footy, and as we said off the top, didn't watch any of the games, but I'm across what Are you sure?

[00:17:50] Wayne: Did you not see one minute? I've seen on Twitter, so I've looked at what the big stories are. Yep, which is now X. And then I've gone into those particular topics [00:18:00] or games and had a look at what we'll be discussing today. And one of them I want to get, and it's a big jump, but this is on field. Jack Ginnivan.

[00:18:08] Wayne: Oh, you know we've got one 

[00:18:09] Tony: more to go back to. Tony Shaw. 

[00:18:12] Wayne: Yeah, well we'll get to, we'll get to Tony Shaw. So Jack Ginniven, though. Like, not getting, there were two absolute certain free kicks that I saw. Even more. That he should have got yesterday. Even more? Yep. Well, I've just looked at the ones, like I said, that pop up on my Twitter, and they were 100 percent free kicks.

[00:18:30] Wayne: People keep talking about this raising in the arm, and it was very interesting to hear Joel Selwood say, uh, A week ago, when I was watching footy, that he, he made an art of lifting that arm, therefore making the Talking about himself. Yes. Making the tackle slide high. Well Jack Guinnevan didn't lift the arm.

[00:18:50] Wayne: He, when he, on one occasion, the example that I saw, picked the ball up and he's coming up on an angle. Never did he duck his head. Correct. He didn't even actually [00:19:00] lean into it. He just stayed at the level that he was at. And what I'm finding really frustrating about, uh, Ginniven is now players are actually going after his head.

[00:19:09] Wayne: Yeah, they are. Talk about protecting of the head. Jack Ginniven is getting hit in the head every week and not getting a free kick. I think it's deplorable. And AFL actually have to step in. And, And more importantly, maybe the players association grow some avocados and actually step in and say enough's enough, stop umpiring this kid out of the game because that's what they're doing.

[00:19:33] Wayne: Now I understand he does it sometimes, but the two examples that I saw, and there was even an example that they showed where he was taking a mark and the arm came across the shoulder. Tell you what, Charlie Kernow would have been given that one. 

[00:19:45] Tony: Oh, I totally agree. I feel sorry for Jack Innovan. As a 

[00:19:47] Wayne: key forward, Charlie Kernow would have been given that one that was over the shoulder and Jack Innovan gets nothing.

[00:19:52] Wayne: I think it's deplorable. Yes. You agree? I agree. 

[00:19:57] Tony: And the other part of Jack Innovan, I think it was in the first quarter, [00:20:00] he was lying on his back in a ball up contest and a Geelong player, and I hope I get this right, I think it was Brandon Parfitt, came in and, potentially illegally elbowed him in the nose.

[00:20:13] Tony: Ginnivan's gone off with a blood nose, and nobody's brought this up. Now, you're not allowed to hit a player in the head accidentally, or Deliberately. So why wasn't 

[00:20:20] Wayne: that brought up? Yeah, no totally concur Um back to tony shaw. Yep, and the uh, and he's comments about his teammate Gavin, by the way, very good player.

[00:20:31] Wayne: Gavin krisiska. Yeah number 28 off the halfback flank and left foot Yeah, always had to keep an eye on gabby. He had a little bit of do you have a play on him? No, but he played on a half back flank. Well, as the third blade coming over the top. Well, he supported whoever was playing. Mickie Gafer and Craig Dalian.

[00:20:47] Wayne: He needed, they needed it. Um, but he, well, Tony Shaw's comments about his Premiership teammate saying that if he knew that Gav, because Gav's openly said [00:21:00] that he was taking, um, drugs during his football career. Yes. Is that right? Yes. Or was it after his football career? No, no, it was during. Okay, so he's openly said that.

[00:21:09] Wayne: Yep. He's, and And he had mental health problems. Yeah, and Tony's come out and said that he would, if he'd known, he would have got rid of him. 

[00:21:15] Tony: Tony Shaw came out on 3AW, I think it was either Sunday or yesterday, and said that he would have sacked Gavin Krasiska as a teammate, had he known then at the time, if he was using an illicit substance.

[00:21:29] Wayne: Yeah, 

[00:21:29] Tony: even though it's, 

[00:21:30] Wayne: it's a non performing substance. Performance enhancing? Performance enhancing, yeah. Yeah, strong, strong words, but it sort of goes to show you that, that time. And what you, what you Is that showing Shuri's age? Of course it is, that's what I mean. I think if I was asked the same question back then, I would be equally as disappointed.

[00:21:51] Wayne: What you'd do is you'd, it's very easy to say in hindsight now, you wouldn't be saying get rid of him, you'd be supporting him and making [00:22:00] sure that he gets the education and everything else. Yep. To actually get through it, rather than, you know, just say see you later and then. Yeah. How do you reckon Krzysztof would be feeling today, or yesterday?

[00:22:12] Wayne: Um, it's a good question, I can't answer how someone else would be feeling. It's pretty, I shouldn't say 

[00:22:18] Tony: they're poor comments, but I think they are, I don't think they're well thought of. Yes, it's sure his opinion and he can turn out and come out and speak his mind, but to say that in hindsight, I think it's a little rough.

[00:22:29] Tony: Like, wouldn't you turn around as a teammate, I know you were a captain of the North Melbourne football team and you'd say to player X, look, if you're going through something, put your arm around him and say, can we help? Not we're going to sack 

[00:22:41] Wayne: you. Yeah, no, well, strong words and that's how Shorey obviously put himself back in that time to make that opinion and I'm sure if Shorey was playing today that would be very different but that's certainly the way things were done then just like a lot of other things that were done back then.

[00:22:59] Wayne: Yeah. You could punch a guy in [00:23:00] the back of the head. All of the things that we're going through now with concussion. Yep. With the racism saga. By the way, Eddie Betts, you know, Do you have an opinion on that? It seems every, every month or couple of months, you know, Eddie and his family are going through this.

[00:23:15] Wayne: Well, what, what can you say? It's deplorable behavior. Um, you know, it's, it's, uh, it's sad to think that people in society can, can even fathom to, 

[00:23:26] Tony: well, you know, Why would you go out of your way to drive past a person's house in Glen Iris and yell out the n word four times? 

[00:23:33] Wayne: You know what? Once again, once again, what I would say to Eddie and I've heard Eddie speak a lot about you know, the way this affects his children and it affects him.

[00:23:43] Wayne: What I would say to Eddie is to to work on tools to talk to his kids and also also for himself to help him understand that the comments aren't about him and his, and [00:24:00] his colour and or, and or his kids. It's about the people saying it. They're the ones with the issues. They're the ones that need, need the help.

[00:24:07] Wayne: And I understand, and there's a lot of work that you can do in and around that, that would help Eddie and his children get through what clearly just keeps raising its ugly head, which is absolutely terrible. 

[00:24:19] Tony: Yeah, it is. Just on that, Doc, do you think? If it was your children, your three beautiful kids, do you think if they were in the backyard playing basketball or football and somebody drove past and said to the kids four times, you see, you see, you see, you see, I'm sure people can work out what the word is.

[00:24:37] Tony: I would have jumped the back fence. And run after them. 

[00:24:39] Wayne: But that's me. And you know what, and that's, that went, that went away with dinosaurs too. Well, I know how I'd react at the end of the day, you go back and we can stay on for those people too. Yeah, we could stay on that topic for a while. A long time.

[00:24:54] Wayne: Forever and a day. Holding, holding the ball and umpiring decisions at the moment, and we, we [00:25:00] talk about this year after year, the inconsistency around it is, is, is just terrible. I mean, I, it is so inconsistent how a player with no prior opportunity gets pinged holding the ball, then a player with, you know, two or three seconds gets pinged, the ball gets knocked out and it's play on.

[00:25:16] Wayne: I can understand the frustration around, you know, the supporters that watch these, you know, these games. And I, once again, only this morning, um, I've watched these examples. It's just, yeah, it's unwatchable. 

[00:25:33] Tony: I don't, I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly frustrating. I had, you'll be interested to know this, um, an AFL club executive, Text me last night and said, the AFL should fix the game and the tribunal before worrying about the drugs.

[00:25:50] Tony: Les, 

[00:25:51] Wayne: really? 

[00:25:52] Tony: Well, it's a bad look. I mean, let's go over, so we go back to Thursday night. Collingwood played Brisbane in Brisbane. [00:26:00] Now, a legend of the game, and he's still playing, Scott Pendlebury. He whacks Locky Neal in the guts. Yep. Now, I don't want to see Scott Pendlebury suspended. Good. But, it's inconsistent.

[00:26:11] Tony: He was given a fine. Yes, he apologised to Locky Neal. Locky Neal said, No dramas, no issues. But, where are the consistencies? James Cicely kicks an Essendon player, and is let off. What the hell is going on? Liam Baker goes for a marking contest. He's given a week. Windhager from St Kilda. I'm sure he didn't mean to knock out that Essendon guy.

[00:26:31] Tony: He gets a week. The, um, people are happy with the AFL if there's consistencies, but it seems a popularity contest. 

[00:26:38] Wayne: Yeah, well, it depends on who does the crime. But Peter Wright, how do you get four weeks for going in for a mark? I will say the, the Penelbury one was soft, but if that was Toby Green, Toby Green gets a week.

[00:26:50] Wayne: Simple as that. Do you think Penelope should have got weeks? Or a week? I don't like anyone to, anyone get a game for something of that nature. Which [00:27:00] isn't, you know, and by the way, you can hit someone with force with an open hand with that part of your palm. Yep. You know, and if you've done Kung Fu. Oh, Mr Miyagi.

[00:27:12] Wayne: But you can, that's a very hard part. And you don't Kung Fu as well. That's every bit as much. Yeah, sometimes worse if you hit somebody in the sternum. So, should have he got a week, glad he didn't get a week, but let's, let's see how the year plays out. You watch, someone will get a week for doing that into the stomach of someone else.

[00:27:29] Wayne: Which also brings us to the media of which, why I enjoy doing this show and not be on free to air TV and be muzzled. Because. The media, the football media I'm talking about, not talking about current affair or 60 minutes and all of those, you know. Spotlight. Yeah, because they, that's what they do and TMZ and that's, that's their job.

[00:27:52] Wayne: They go through bins and they find out what people are doing in their private lives. When has it become popular for the football [00:28:00] media to start talking about all of the rhubarb that gets thrown around? And about players private lives and about trips to Vegas and, and then, you know, you, you hear that young wick from Sydney and, and I'm, I don't know, I'm reading between the lines, I don't know what's occurred there, but he's been given the week off.

[00:28:17] Wayne: What do 

[00:28:17] Tony: you think it is? I don't know. You should do it. Do you? No I don't. It's only been proposed. Yeah, so I 

[00:28:24] Wayne: teammate. So I don't take. See, once again, it's, that rumour is built off the back of Sydney's given him a week out. Football media. Sydney's given him a football media has, has built this up into a, a bigger story than what it is.

[00:28:41] Wayne: Sydney or the Brisbane one? Well, it's not a, it's not a football story. I disagree. It's a private life story. Well, so when the players are in off season or in Vegas Yeah. How is that a football story? If, if, oh sorry, they draw the correlation that, that, oh what, they're out of [00:29:00] form because of a trip they had to Vegas, what, five months ago.

[00:29:03] Tony: Yeah. That's, that's bullcrap. Well I agree with Jonathan Brown, if it was such an issue, it would have come out in November or December, but But, but, they've had a chance to win all the games they've been in. That, that is bullcrap. Yeah, well they keep Collingwood scoreless in the second quarter. But, why no?

[00:29:17] Tony: No. I don't like it. No, but I want to bring up, if, I think Matthew Lloyd said this, happy wife, happy life. So if you are happy at home, it'll affect your football. So yes, it is a football story. I'm not 

[00:29:33] Wayne: sure, I'm not sure I have the qualifications to talk about that. I'd be a hypocrite if I went into that area, wouldn't I?

[00:29:38] Wayne: Well, do you want to bring up past situations? No, well that's what I'm saying, I'd be a hypocrite if I was to talk about what, I've never thought that a player's personal life should be spoken about, especially from football media. So, you know, if, if that's your job as a, as a sport journalist, stay away from all the other crap.

[00:29:58] Wayne: I'm glad, I'm glad Gary [00:30:00] Lyon sort of steered away from it, because he should, he should know better. So, there's plenty of people Slightly contrary. 

[00:30:06] Tony: Gary turns around and says, it's a footy story and it should be left to the front of the pages, but then they were discussing it. 

[00:30:11] Wayne: Yeah, well we're discussing it now, which we're giving it too much of your time.

[00:30:14] Wayne: Well, it's not a story. 

[00:30:15] Tony: Well, it is a story. Do I, do you think it is, has any correlation to the Brisbane Lions in the United States? No. Their form, that is. Well, the whole situation. That's crap. Well, the journalists who brought it up, I thought, was a little. Yeah. Disappointing. He brought it up but it was so vague and then said, well I shouldn't bring it up.

[00:30:33] Tony: And, well I know speaking of um, TMZ type scenarios, it has been alleged by Channel 9's Tom Morris that the Brisbane Lions want to silence the Herald Sun and 3AW. Not silence, that's the wrong word, but Boycott. Boycott. 

[00:30:51] Wayne: Boycott. I saw that on my Twitter as well. Um, I tried that. Doesn't work. [00:31:00] I tried. You tried it with Neil Mitchell, the Herald's son.

[00:31:03] Wayne: I did, I did. I tried. You know what, I've, I've, I realised at some point, at one point, not that it's helped me, even though I realised it, you can't beat the power of the pen. You can't, you can't win. So you boycott the Herald son, which, you know, we know, we know who the Heralds son are and we boycott, you know, a radio station and all that they do is they just go harder.

[00:31:27] Wayne: Correct. And it, it, you, you end up, you, you, you lose, 

[00:31:33] Tony: I must say for any footballers out there current certainly 

[00:31:35] Wayne: don't have to go outta your way to do anything for it. No, I agree. But boycotting I think is probably on the, you'll end 

[00:31:41] Tony: up losing. Yep. And for those players out there, both current and emerging and even past.

[00:31:46] Tony: If you befriend journalists and or media, media organisations. What's the old 

[00:31:52] Wayne: saying? What's the old saying? 

[00:31:54] Tony: About keeping your enemy Yes, keeping your friends close and your enemies closer. Yes, I worked that out far too late as [00:32:00] well. So what I would say to those listening is befriend journalists. You don't have to like them, but 

[00:32:08] Wayne: they will So what, when you say befriend, what, take them, go out and catch up with them and have dinner?

[00:32:14] Wayne: I'm not sure about dinner, but if you Buy em a beer or say hello. Journalists I will say this about journalists, and this I know for a fact, and what you're saying is 100 percent right. Because I know there are a lot of journalists that are still working in football now, talk about TMZ, and they know heaps of things, way more than what they've written about or spoken about.

[00:32:39] Wayne: And I'm talking big names, big, big stories and they have not been written or have not been spoken about because of friendships. Correct. So you have hit the nail on the head right there. Something a little bit more positive than gutter journalism. And that is big Tom Hawkins. Yes, today. Four goals. [00:33:00] Did he kick four, did he?

[00:33:01] Wayne: Kick four. Oh, you got a Joe the Goose from Jeremy Cameron late in the game? 350 games for a guy of his body type is remarkable. Because it was only seven, eight years ago, might be a little bit less than that, where I thought he had some lower back problems and you thought Tommy might be gone. He's got better with age.

[00:33:20] Wayne: All Australian. And All Australian captain, wasn't he? Uh. Was he All Australian? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Five time I think All Australian now. And they've all come at the back end of his career. It does also highlight though the dilution and the way the game has changed. That Tom can evolve the way he has.

[00:33:38] Wayne: But he's got to take, because I heard Chris Scott speak, um, speak about it. And he said that, you know, the fact that. he's been able to evolve his game because a lot of people say, Oh, Tony Locke, if Tony Locke was playing now, he wouldn't bet. Well, just like Tom Hawkins, he would adapt to how the game's played now.

[00:33:59] Wayne: So [00:34:00] unbelievable effort and doesn't look like he's slowing down. 

[00:34:02] Tony: And you, uh, you were privileged enough to be requested to send him a 350 game congratulatory message. Yeah. 

[00:34:10] Wayne: What 

[00:34:10] Tony: did you 

[00:34:10] Wayne: say? Oh, well done, Tom. 

[00:34:13] Tony: Can you elaborate? 

[00:34:14] Wayne: Well, that's a personal thing. You've got a lot of that, um, journo TMZ, well you are, you're a TMZ man.

[00:34:22] Tony: Yeah, but I don't care. Yeah. 

[00:34:24] Wayne: No, but people You should care. 

[00:34:25] Tony: Well, isn't that contradictory coming from a bloke called The Truth Hurts? 

[00:34:29] Wayne: No, but I'm not. The truth hurts, I'm telling the truth, I'm not going on gossip or innuendo like you dingbats do. But it's not 

[00:34:34] Tony: innuendo. People want to know and say, oh, Wayne Carey gave Tom Hawkins a congratulatory message, which was asked through mutual friends.

[00:34:43] Tony: And people say, I wonder what he said? I'm not sure that, you know, is that a big deal? Well, you cracked the shits last week about me bringing up you'd been counselling Max King. 

[00:34:53] Wayne: Counselling? 

[00:34:53] Tony: Counselling. Oh. That Ross Lyon had asked you to do. 

[00:34:58] Wayne: Gather round this weekend. [00:35:00] Now, we're going over tomorrow. Yeah, before gather round, any day now.

[00:35:04] Wayne: You might, by the way. Tom Hawkins. You haven't got a flight yet. You might be on the train tonight. Well, the way you're going, came out to be born, knew your Jetstar ticket. You might be on the train tonight. It goes overnight. I used to get on that train back in the day. When you were 16? Yes. I used to love it.

[00:35:21] Wayne: What, Greg Miller would give you a hundred bucks for a train ticket? I used to love getting the train. Oh yeah? You know, back then you'd just, you know, roam around the carriages and meet people. It was great. What, meet some girlfriends? Oh. So gather round, it is huge in Adelaide, as we know. Can we 

[00:35:37] Tony: go back? It would be remiss of us not to discuss one Jack, um, Tom Hawkins, sorry, Tom Hawkins, 43 minute break for the lightning.

[00:35:49] Wayne: Well, for all of those that have blown this into something bigger, my understanding, once again, well read on the topic, is that he was looking at the weather forecast. [00:36:00] and what was going on. And there are certain people in that room that are allowed to have phones. It wasn't his, it wasn't, it wasn't his phone.

[00:36:07] Wayne: Yep. It was, you know, and he was looking at the forecast to see when they were able to get back out on the ground. By the way, far too long. Over exaggerated. 43 minutes. 

[00:36:16] Tony: Well, he went and had a Macona coffee that Jeremy Cameron got him. 

[00:36:19] Wayne: It was, it was too long. I mean, even, even, you know, I 

[00:36:23] Tony: Gee, Dermot was dismissive of the weather.

[00:36:25] Tony: Was he? Jason Dunst will turn around and say, well, why are we taking advice from the Bureau of Meteorology when they can't get the next day right? 

[00:36:32] Wayne: I love, I love Dermot. He's another one in the media. I know he's old, he's old school, but I just think he's, matter of fact, says it how it is. I like the way he goes about it.

[00:36:42] Wayne: But I am looking forward to getting over to Adelaide. Yes. We're not watching any footage. You going Jetstar, are you, after your trip to 

[00:36:47] Tony: Brisbane? Or Toowoomba? 

[00:36:48] Wayne: Certainly not flying Jetstar. We'll be flying Virgin. Have you given in to Tijuana? But, yeah, Jetstar. Oh, well, sometimes, sometimes you've got no choice.

[00:36:56] Wayne: Yes, you do. And if someone's booked you that ticket, which they [00:37:00] did, the company that I was, they booked the ticket, so I couldn't cancel it. I'd take a Greyhound bus over, Jetstar. Well, Tony, your ticket's not booked yet, so I wouldn't be talking to you just yet. Terry, we're going Qantas, aren't we? You might be flying, uh, but Virgin, I, I will be flying 

[00:37:15] Tony: Virgin.

[00:37:16] Tony: No, I'll be going Rex. They upgraded me from Sydney to Melbourne three weeks ago for a very good price, and they're outstanding, Rex. They're the new Virgin. Got their old planes. Do you 

[00:37:26] Wayne: know where Rex originated from? 

[00:37:29] Tony: Regional Express? Wagga 

[00:37:30] Wayne: Wagga. Did they? Yep, that's where they do all their training. Mm hmm.

[00:37:34] Wayne: Yeah, I didn't know that. Oh, there you go. That's where you flew on, uh, you flew into Lachlan, you flew into Wagga Wagga on Lachlan Murdoch's jet. So we're going over for Gather Round. It's going to be huge. All the wineries, spend time in the Adelaide Hills. What's your favourite winery? I'm sure everybody would want to meet you over there for an autograph.

[00:37:52] Wayne: I don't, I wouldn't have a favourite winery. I like the Adelaide Hills. 

[00:37:56] Tony: Yep. Is that predominantly white 

[00:37:58] Wayne: or red? I don't know, [00:38:00] Tony. Well, you're a good group. I'm not going to be, uh. So, you're going to break your fast one? No, I'm not going to be tasting the produce. Although, Adelaide, I think, in terms of produce around Australia, I think Adelaide comes a very close second behind Tasmania.

[00:38:15] Wayne: Colder climate. Adelaide just nail their produce. And so does, so does, as I've already spoken. Well, you're a former resident. About Tassie. Um, boxing tomorrow night. Yes. We spoke about this. Nathan Brown's got the biggest job in Australia this week. I've already said if Nathan Brown gets beaten, he will not be able to show his face.

[00:38:35] Wayne: He certainly won't be able to at Triple M. So should he take a week off for penance? That is, that is fascinating. By the way, you can watch, you've got to, if you want to watch these, uh, old has been footballers. Uh, Corey McKernan's lost about seven kilos. Anthony Rocker has lost about 15, 20 kilos. That's a lot.

[00:38:53] Wayne: So those two are fighting each other? They're the heavyweights. Yep, and then there's Swanee and Daisy, Cain Pettifer and [00:39:00] uh, Matt Mitch, Mitch Robinson. 

[00:39:00] Tony: Yep. And then Cain Corns and Nathan Brown. Yep. So there's Okay, give us your four, uh, give us your four opinions. No. Come on. No. Well, you're very good at boxing.

[00:39:09] Wayne: I'm looking forward to going over that just for a little bit of humour. 

[00:39:14] Tony: Are you going to break your fast? 

[00:39:16] Wayne: Am I? Yes. 

[00:39:17] Tony: No. 

[00:39:17] Wayne: I'm not. 

[00:39:18] Tony: Are you going to stay sober the whole weekend? 

[00:39:19] Wayne: Hang on. Well, there's this thing called fast It's three million. It's not having a Well, abstinence. That's not fasting. Fasting's when you It's when you fast for about eight weeks.

[00:39:29] Wayne: No, I'm going to get, I'll tell you what, I'm going to get you on. 

[00:39:32] Tony: I'll get 

[00:39:33] Wayne: you on the 

[00:39:33] Tony: man shake, are ya? I'm going to get you on to the man shake. Can you get Adam McDougall and Rosie to send us down some 

[00:39:38] Wayne: packets? I've, I've always been, I've always been pessimist when it's come to anything to do with, you know, man shake.

[00:39:48] Wayne: Um, any, anything that enhances you to lose weight. At the end of the day, you exercise. And you eat well, and I've said this always to everyone, abs are made in the kitchen, not the gym. [00:40:00] So it's what you consume. The thing that the man shake does, and the reason why I like it, and you can go and get protein shakes and everything else.

[00:40:08] Wayne: But the thing that I like about the man, is that it puts people in a frame of mind. And what they automatically do while they're having it, is they, they do train more. Yep. They do watch what they're eating. You know, it doesn't mean just because you have the man shake doesn't mean you you starve yourself and don't eat.

[00:40:22] Wayne: Correct. But because you're doing it, it, it enhances what you're doing well on the other side. So all of that plays into feeling great. So I've had a good result from a lot of mates. A lot of mates over the years have been on it and I've told them their nitwits and I've, uh, I've tried it. You're a convert.

[00:40:40] Wayne: Yeah, no, it's, it's helped. It doesn't, it doesn't give you that. Have we got the camera on this? It doesn't give you that. 

[00:40:46] Tony: Why don't you do what you normally do at the pub when you have a beer and lift up your top and show your abs? Yeah, okay. Anyway, that's about it. Is it? For about. No, no, it's not. We've got, we've got to mention Tim Zoo.

[00:40:58] Wayne: Yeah, 

[00:40:58] Tony: okay. How good he was on [00:41:00] the weekend, even though it was a split decision loss. I've never, I haven't seen that much blood in a boxing match for many years. Has there ever been a bigger discrepancy in height? Probably not. In a boxing Well, Sebastian Fundura was 6 foot 6 and Tim Zoo's 5 foot 10. Tim Zoo's 

[00:41:17] Wayne: not that tall.

[00:41:18] Tony: 5 foot 

[00:41:18] Wayne: 8. I think he might even be shorter than that. I, I will, Tyson was, what's Tyson? 5'10 He, Lennox Lewis, 6'4 So, you know, that's, that's not as big, that's still, that's big for a heavyweight. Yeah, you're allowed to watch boxing. I, I, I actually missed the fight, but I saw some highlights, um, almighty effort from Zu.

[00:41:39] Wayne: Almighty effort. I mean, so hard, a guy, a guy of that size, but, you know, still obviously under the weight. It's quite incredible. Does it, does it boost Zu's Like a praying mantis. 

[00:41:48] Tony: Yeah. Does it boost Zu's profile? Of course it does. Or do people think in the back of their mind, well it was a split decision loss and he goes back a grade?

[00:41:57] Wayne: I think, given that he took the fight late, so wasn't [00:42:00] prepared. Probably mentally like, I'm sure if he knew that he was fighting a guy of that height months out, he would have been fighting taller people in the ring, which he wouldn't have been doing in the lead up to the fight. So his preparation, if they get another fight, which I hope they do, Yeah.

[00:42:16] Wayne: I think Zoo wins and wins well. 

[00:42:18] Tony: Although talking about Zoo's next fight, maybe Errol Spence, and there was talking of a purse of 15. 3 million. Good on him. I hope so. Look, the other thing is, I hope Zuu doesn't have any I'd like 

[00:42:29] Wayne: to see a 

[00:42:30] Tony: rematch. Of those two, yeah. And Fundura actually went into Zuu's room after the fight and gave him one of the belts, which is enormous.

[00:42:37] Tony: And I hope they do fight, because the rematch will be such a different contest. I mean, a lot of people are saying, after Zuu went down with the elbow, uh, the elbow to the forehead that should have been called off and he would have remained the unified world champion. Yeah, 

[00:42:54] Wayne: so that's the courage of the man Like I said before those fights tomorrow night in Adelaide you can book [00:43:00] and watch them on stand Yes, I don't normally say this.

[00:43:02] Wayne: I've been that football is You know, fighting footballs and all that sort of stuff. But I think this is going to be quite entertaining because I want to see my ex teammate Corey McKernan. So there's something I know, Brownie. Well, yep. I know, I know pets. Well, I know Swanee. Well, I know Daisy. Well, we all know Kane.

[00:43:20] Wayne: I know Kane, you know, well, but we just, there's just a lot of interest to see who's going to, uh, do okay. And the thing that I found out, a little birdie told me, was that Cain Pettifor and Mitch Robinson, they will be wearing lighter gloves. So the other fights, they're all 20 oz, which is basically like having pillows on each hand.

[00:43:41] Wayne: Whereas those two have agreed to wear lighter 

[00:43:48] Tony: gloves. And I also heard that, um, I think you revealed this on our previous podcast, that McKernan had been training with Barry Hall. So that'll hold him in good stead. Alright Tony, [00:44:00] you're talking rhubarb now. Yeah, I've got one to finish with Wayne. The Tom Hawkins played in his 350th match yesterday and it was fantastic.

[00:44:08] Tony: Now if you are going to sing the club theme song afterwards in the rooms, and you give us that rendition, don't even bother. Geelong were deplorable yesterday. Don't sing it. What do you mean? They sang the theme song after the game, after the win, for Tom Hawkins 350th, They may as well have not sung it. Do it properly or don't do it at all.

[00:44:28] Wayne: Are you seriously upset about how they 

[00:44:30] Tony: sung it? No, I'm not upset. It's just a bad look. I want to see the NRL guys, or the EPL guys, or the European soccer guys, who go nuts in the room after a game. Not AFL 

[00:44:39] Wayne: Blokes. Well, clearly if the game's been suspended for 45 minutes It's still a win over an arch rival, and it was huge for the 350th How long after did they sing the song?

[00:44:49] Wayne: Probably four hours after the game had finished. Anyway, Tony You know what, Tony? Thanks Wayne, I'll see you on Adelaide. Okay, alright. Thanks again, see you next [00:45:00] week.