Season 2 - EP #3 - Ducks off the grog, a call from a Senior Sergeant and is the AFL too compromised?

Season 2 - EP #3 - Ducks off the grog, a call from a Senior Sergeant and is the AFL too compromised?

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00:00:00:00 - 00:00:06:12
Unknown
I'm Wayne Carey and this is the Truth Hurts.

00:00:06:12 - 00:00:15:21
Unknown
Well, here we are for the second episode of The Truth Hurts for the Year. We had a couple of weeks rest because let's be honest, we will not as organized what we should have been.

00:00:15:21 - 00:00:33:07
Unknown
We've been here. They're everywhere. I've been away. You've been away. Ben's been away. So we're back. you Tone. very well. Wine. How are you? you know what? I'm. I'm excellent. Excellent. Why would you tell? You have a look at. Look at the attire that I've got on, and the camera can pan over to my T-shirt.

00:00:33:07 - 00:00:53:14
Unknown
I don't know whether anyone's told you this, but you don't have to get dressed up for a podcast event to last. A couple of weeks ago, you came in with the jacket on. You look like a stiff. There. You there. You look like you're about to go to an accounting meeting, which is. Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with thinking, you know, what better to be overdressed and underdressed.

00:00:53:14 - 00:01:17:03
Unknown
Correct? Which I do right now. I'm in a beautiful white shirt and suit pants and are in and it's 38 outside. Yeah. Yeah. So what now? Why are you in a Nike t shirt? And I. Well, well, that's a very good question because I've been going to the gym. I'm back in the gym. Stop the presses, Ben. Hang on a minute while you're probably you can probably tell that I'm actually in the gym, so you haven't lost your varnish.

00:01:17:03 - 00:01:37:16
Unknown
So people know that. No shoulder operation. So what was it? False replacement, according to you? Replacement, I was. And I'm back in the gym doing some weights. I still haven't got full movement back, but it's getting there. So I'm going to start getting in the pool and getting that going. But what had I'm feeling, I've been off. Well, the shoulder feels good.

00:01:37:18 - 00:02:02:08
Unknown
I'm not in any pain. I'm not popping as many anti-inflammatories these days. I'm not touching that one day I'm having probably I still three times a week. Yeah, but not as often. Yeah, there are other there are other things that you can take to to have that anti-inflammatory result you effect for your body. You know, there's, there's marijuana oil which you know, a lot of people are taking.

00:02:02:08 - 00:02:22:15
Unknown
Have you tried the white prescribed marijuana or have I tried it? I did try it a while ago, but I've got to go and see a doctor again. And I've got to make we might talk about that in another episode, but it is apparently it is very good for you. Yes. Sleep, anxiety, all sorts of stuff. So it's use natural it.

00:02:22:16 - 00:02:42:11
Unknown
Correct. So I'm going to check that out. But getting back to I'm off the I'm off the grow you off as well so not only you in the gym 16 days today. Congratulations for making myself accountable today because there's no end date to it. Yes, I went to the footy on Friday night to watch the Swans and Collingwood boiled Boy.

00:02:42:11 - 00:03:01:14
Unknown
Weren't the Swans good? They were exceptional. Very good. Swans. Sorry, Collingwood. Not so good. We'll get stuck into this. Yeah. When you've got more in Pendlebury, you know they're making mistakes, you know, you're just about cooked and that's exactly what they had to get stuck in to let them in. Yes. So 16 days today. How do you feel?

00:03:01:16 - 00:03:23:11
Unknown
Not one sip. And I cannot tell you the last time. And it doesn't mean I've never been a drinker that drinks every day or anything like that. But everyone will know the weather that we've had in Melbourne. Yep, last weekend, not the weekend. Just go on the weekend before, which we didn't do a podcast on the Monday and it was a holiday on the Monday.

00:03:23:11 - 00:03:45:12
Unknown
Anyway, it was. I went down to talk and walk past the bowls club down there and you walk past and everyone's out having a, having a drink. That was probably the toughest time. So what was I then? I was, I was basically a week without a sip at that stage. Yeah. And a walk and everyone's out, you know, enjoying and you know what it is?

00:03:45:12 - 00:04:08:04
Unknown
It's, it's a choice. I don't know whether you're the same of No, whether you just eat a lot or you. Well we have similar drinking habits like the aim and the fluid. But it's it's a choice and it's a habit. And what what we all do is when the sun's out and Melburnians, I reckon, are as, as habitual, a bit chill as anyone when it comes out.

00:04:08:06 - 00:04:24:09
Unknown
Even more so. Yeah. They get out and I'd say Sydney probably has a little bit more sun in the winter so they're not as Yeah, there's not regimented as what Melbourne Melburnians are when it comes to that. So they're all out having a drink and I walk past if you're ever going to have one, it would have been to week and even this weekend.

00:04:24:09 - 00:04:45:17
Unknown
I mean yesterday was a beautiful day. Yeah, but it's just a choice. You, you say, nice day, I'll have a couple of beers and, and that's what I was doing far too often. What would you consider. Far too often? Far too often? Well, you know, whether it be twice a week or three times a week, and that doesn't make I wasn't even ten, ten bees or 15 bees or anything like that.

00:04:45:17 - 00:05:06:24
Unknown
But even if it's just a couple of beers or a couple of wines or whatever it may be, was becoming far too regular. Yeah. And the other thing is always becoming one, becoming forgetful. You where are you are? Well, I don't know. Well, I'll find out because like I said, 16 days in, I'm going to continue through. There's no end date.

00:05:07:01 - 00:05:38:13
Unknown
So whether that that comes back or not, but always going into meetings on a Friday as you do. And not. Not AA meetings. No meeting on a Friday, probably should have. And sitting down and having lunch. Have a couple have a couple of beers and you know, an important lunch about a you know, whether it be work or other things that you've got going on and wake up Saturday morning and not having a late night home by dinner time.

00:05:38:13 - 00:05:59:13
Unknown
But you know, the lunch is extended. You've had a couple of more beers. Can't remember the lunch. That's alarming. Well, you know, I can't remember the conversations or the details of that lunch. And I just thought not it's time to just go bang and and not have a drop for a little while. So, I mean, that phase of join that.

00:05:59:13 - 00:06:31:08
Unknown
I've joined the gym again which is just down stairs. Yeah. And I feel great starting to use words I haven't used for a little while. Well, you look better and feel more energized. Yep. Sleeping better. Are you a better father? Well, I think. I think you are. If you're more in tune with, you know, absolutely everything. I mean, if you come home from a long lunch and you get home and dinner time, you're probably not, you know, present will probably not as present as you should be.

00:06:31:08 - 00:06:49:08
Unknown
You're not running running outside and having a kick at the footy or or going to have a few shots of the, you know, the basketball on the court or whatever. You're probably getting home, you're having dinner and you know, hitting the fat sack. Yeah, well I don't take it. Jess is probably much more bitter in terms of your relationship.

00:06:49:10 - 00:07:05:20
Unknown
Okay. Dr. Phil, we did that. We didn't need to take it. There you toss it helps. It helps. It helps in a lot of areas. And by the way, you should take a leaf out of my book. Brother, Look at you. You got the red nose. The red head? Yeah. okay. Well, it's just the way I was my day.

00:07:05:20 - 00:07:20:06
Unknown
And I. I want to. Ever told you that you look like Donald Trump. Yeah, very. A lot of times. And a lot of people and you being probably the biggest. And if God only told me, get into a lift or there's a crowd, you turn around and whatnot, you've got a little me by the color of my hair.

00:07:20:06 - 00:07:35:03
Unknown
I've got to keep you. Now you're on the mosh. I'm on the ball and the hair has grown back a little bit thicker. And it looks good. It looks good. I'm not sure about the undercut because it looks like you've got a possum on your head. Well, that's okay, because it is really cute like Shane Warne of having it.

00:07:35:05 - 00:07:56:22
Unknown
Well, he did have a possum, but when it's windy that flaps up like Trump, yours does. So okay I'm just guy If I was Donald Trump esque and I had his wealth and his power, I'm walking down the street every day looking like Donald's. The other thing that happened and I'll tell you what you do when you get this call and there's a lot of spam going on.

00:07:56:24 - 00:08:10:24
Unknown
There is a lot of spam. Do you get it? Do you get a text message is at 3 a.m. and then the code you get you get all sorts of things sent and you don't know whether they're right or wrong. And you get messages saying, you know, you've got a problem with your bank or this or that or, you know, all sorts of things.

00:08:10:24 - 00:08:34:10
Unknown
So I've had a message come through on my phone the last week from a senior seven mobile number. There was a mobile number, but it said, ring this number. Yep. Which was a police station and said, Ring senior sergeant, such and such. You know, it's a sensitive matter and has known the bottom from which point. Well it doesn't matter.

00:08:34:12 - 00:09:16:24
Unknown
just give the buck a pump up. Well give the bloke. Yeah. It's a bloody police station, it's a whole lot of police at work. They're going to talk about who sent the message. Well I thought it was spam because you get so much of it. So I, I blocked and reported the page and as use as literally through the production meeting and sort of literally as you saw, I got the phone call private number, which I don't often answer and I answered and it was the senior sergeant saying, and I don't know why, because I haven't done, you know, with is well, you know, with you and something that sergeant should be calling but

00:09:16:24 - 00:09:40:16
Unknown
it could be a parking ticket, could be a spy. You don't know something you forgot to do on the PC. Well, yeah, it could be one of those things that I forgot more than 16 days ago. So, you know, so. So I get the call and the heart just drops a little bit. You know, I skip a couple of beats and one of the guys on it and he says just bringing about car got broken into.

00:09:40:18 - 00:09:59:12
Unknown
So many years ago. And the guy that broke into the car, he dropped one of his little cigarets in the car and they got the date. They caught the guy and they got the DNA off the cigaret and he admitted to breaking into the car. This is in your old this this is this is a while ago and we're talking years ago.

00:09:59:14 - 00:10:16:02
Unknown
They said we've got him and I said is that all that's about it. I, I said, by the way, what did I say? What did he take it was he still got that on him and he didn't he just took a bit of loose change. It was in the car and it didn't really take too much. And Yeah, but it's one of those phone calls.

00:10:16:02 - 00:10:40:23
Unknown
It Yeah. You know, it is hard since I know there's people out there that would get that call and not have any worries whatsoever. But I think a lot of people sit in traffic and they turn, there's a police car over there and they go, what have I done? Yeah. And you know, and I like that could be I don't know, you got caught because we've all done this and there's cameras now that are getting people sitting at the traffic lights.

00:10:41:00 - 00:11:12:05
Unknown
You know, just even if you just pick up your phone to look at a text message at the traffic light, there's a camera. So it could have been a call about that or anything. But anyway, I'm I'm breathing a little easier, so I'm good to go. I'm feeling good. So what happened to the to the alleged thief? Well, he's he's got to face court and the he's he's a repeat offender as a recidivist only of of I asked the guy I said, you know, as is there other things that he's on And he said, yeah there are because I said I didn't want to press charges.

00:11:12:05 - 00:11:29:01
Unknown
And he said, Well, there's obviously it's actually very kind of you considering that somebody broken. I did ask the question. I said, is this is he hurt anyone? Or like as in he's a crook or was yeah, he's a crook? Or is it just a guy that you know, is down on his luck and a bit of loose change.

00:11:29:03 - 00:11:54:03
Unknown
Yeah. And if that's the case and and that's the other thing that's going on, I don't know whether you walk down Chapel Street or Clarendon Street, the amount of, you know, homeless people out there, it is it is becoming a pandemic and it is. And in American life it is sad. Yeah. Really, really sad. And I in actual fact, I don't even like walking down Chapel Street too much anymore because of that reason.

00:11:54:07 - 00:12:13:24
Unknown
Yeah. And ought to be something done to fix. I totally understand. The other thing is how many shopfronts have a full lease sign at the front with homeless people either begging and or sleeping in shopfronts all around the jam factory, which was once once a thriving metropolis. And suddenly we've got Chadstone, which is its own suburb or the city.

00:12:14:05 - 00:12:43:06
Unknown
And now Chapel Street is just a really dirty. Yes, well, it's not it's not dirty because they're people if you've got to understand these people varying different reasons why they where they understand some are self-inflicted mental health. Yeah, there's all sorts of things. And I find it very difficult. All right. I don't feel intimidated walking down Chapel Street, but I certainly know my five year old son, Carter, feels, you know, a little bit scared.

00:12:43:06 - 00:13:02:19
Unknown
And I know Jess says and and other people do when they walk down there. So anyway, it's it's something that, you know, we well, I guess if we talk about it, maybe, you know, if we talk about it more, they might be able to fix it up a little bit. But let's get on to some footy. Yep. And talk about dog race for one moment.

00:13:02:19 - 00:13:32:18
Unknown
Yep. In terms of your alcohol, abstinence, have you locked in a date to have you next drink and or is your bank balance looking healthy for it? No, I haven't locked in a date. I'm leaving it open. So there's I look I'm lease going to do six weeks. Yep. And then where that goes from there we'll wait and see and people and I've also got other people like I've got relatives that have that are sort of joined in and I've got mates.

00:13:32:18 - 00:13:52:04
Unknown
Well you've, you're now saying you're going to join in so you've had ten days off which you now become accountable. Yes. to myself and to other people. You know, you've just you know, you've got to do that. So here we go. Well, you've just got to say no more often when someone offers some Tucker, some tucker. well, you're allowed to say no.

00:13:52:08 - 00:14:12:05
Unknown
Well, hang on. What if you're like you're like a Labrador? Why don't you put some food in front of you? Just got to eat it all. Let you tell all the fence you walking around the inner suburbs of Melbourne, showing everybody your edge off to soil. Yeah, of course. That's natural. Well, actually, we've got a podcast for that in a couple of weeks about your skin color.

00:14:12:05 - 00:14:33:10
Unknown
Plenty happening in the world of footy. Plenty. Plenty to talk about. I want to talk about before and there's other footy shows and there's other podcasts that talk about the game from game to game. We're not going to do that. We're going to talk. But what I do want to talk about the fact that the AFL is just so compromised.

00:14:33:12 - 00:14:56:09
Unknown
Well, I'm a bit of a bit lost with where the AFL is it as a whole. I really am specific. We've spoke to Peter Jess a couple of weeks ago around the concussion. I there's just still so much confusion around, I think that topic, I think there's so much confusion still around what's a reportable offense and and what's not.

00:14:56:11 - 00:15:25:16
Unknown
We've seen other we've seen players this weekend be reported for for really small things players like players players last week got off George Horton luckily yes. Correct. So they got off with fines. Yep. Yet players have been reported for similar things this weekend. So if they don't get off with fines and once again, we're all up in arms and we don't know what the hell's going on with with these rules and how they've and how they're umpired or totally good.

00:15:25:18 - 00:15:53:21
Unknown
I want to bring up something from Saturday's game between Hawthorn and Essendon. Now, John Sisley, the Hawthorn captain, he has tunnel Andy McGrath and then he's kicked him on the way down and Michael Christian and the MRO have decided a one week suspension for Cicely. He's kicked him with a hail. Well, what precedents have they set for a kick and a tunnel in play?

00:15:53:23 - 00:16:14:02
Unknown
Yeah. What was that bad? my God. Just got up and took his kick to me. No, If you look at the right place, Sicily's kicked McGrath on the way down. Yeah, he's kicked hard. What does it matter? Well. Tony. Yeah, it does. Well, a kick is a kick whine. Well, it can be a little a little toe tap, or it can be an actual kick.

00:16:14:07 - 00:16:34:22
Unknown
I I'm going to show you that if you want to get in there and I'll show the difference between a toe tapping and. Okay. Mike Tyson. No, but there's a difference. Tony Wayne There's been caught. There's a thing called force. Yes. Yeah. And how much force did it have? But then what we talk about intent order to I'm really just so it's a bit like the punch in the gob little Yeah.

00:16:34:24 - 00:17:01:05
Unknown
Look to lock you Neal Yeah. So there's once again it's just the inconsistencies around all of this and that's all, that's all that we want as football supporters and becoming and, and lovers, although that, that love is waning, pardon the pun. Yeah. Because of the game. Yeah. It is because of the inconsistencies and the inconsistencies. Inconsistency still around holding the ball.

00:17:01:07 - 00:17:26:04
Unknown
I mean, I was at the game Friday night. What got paid one second didn't get paid a minute later like it's it's frustrating and I understand where the fans and you can hear that you know you hear the fans and you hear the boos and it's yeah, it's actually there's a really good one from It's annoying. Yeah. From the Giants and your old footy club, the Kangaroos on Saturday in Sydney and I from memory database player.

00:17:26:05 - 00:17:47:19
Unknown
It was running through the middle and had taken a bounce. The North Melbourne player tugged at his jumper and couldn't hold him, couldn't retard him, and then the Giants player then had retrieved the ball off the bench, my pad holding the ball, but he was giving the ball back and had 95% control of the ball. So as you say, the inconsistencies are just infuriating.

00:17:47:21 - 00:18:08:01
Unknown
A lot of quarters, a lot of talk during the week around should there be three grand finals, few interstate teams. It was that. Andrew Pridham I think so. Which and by the way, Andrew, I totally concur and agree. I wish we had three grand finals in 1998 because it would have been two one as secure and Collingwood in 2010.

00:18:08:02 - 00:18:29:11
Unknown
Correct. So, you know, there's I actually don't mind the argument. The one thing about having three grand finals, by the way, you the best team will win. Where is it? I think that and this is sort of what we love about our game as well, the underdog can win grand finals and they did in 98 against us and plenty of underdogs in 16.

00:18:29:12 - 00:18:56:12
Unknown
There's been plenty of underdogs that have won grand finals. Yet if it went four three, that doesn't happen because you get more of a consistent so you would be open to it only because we lost 98. If we had a one that I would have said no, keep it the same. But the compromised AFL. But we have I mean, a lot of people are keen to hear your go, Well, you've just got to play each other once or twice.

00:18:56:12 - 00:19:33:08
Unknown
Agreed. Right. If you get home ground advantage, if you finish, if Geelong finish in a position, don't worry about that, they should get a home ground. I mean you go back, you talk about the be yes, they should be able to play finals, they're 100% if they want. And I understand and especially now that the grandstands finished but no, not as many people can go, but you just cannot have and you and I don't believe you can have a situation like we had last year in the grand final where Collingwood play the grand final on their home ground against a side that plays three or four games a year maximum on that ground.

00:19:33:08 - 00:20:02:17
Unknown
Yeah, you just can't you can't have that. We know not, we know it's an anomaly, but how do you fix it. Well you just play the grand final somewhere else on a neutral ground. That's how you fix it. But there's, there's so many elements to our game that are like that and it is so unfair. And that's that's the other I think that's the other part that supporters out there are getting frustrated with because I understand I mean, the draw itself compromised so many things.

00:20:02:17 - 00:20:26:00
Unknown
I mean, this stupid zero ran that we play like it. What was the point of it. Well it's to promote football and then and then everyone and and then these teams that had played, you know, already had a game under their belt. I mean, you know, it's just just I like the concept. So do you think that Melbourne had an advantage over the Bulldogs?

00:20:26:02 - 00:20:56:15
Unknown
Yes, because they'd beaten Sydney the previous week, they got beaten by Sydney, got beaten that they'd played a game. Yeah, I'd played a game. You don't think that's an advantage. Yeah, I think it is correct. Yeah. So you know all this rubbish and you know, trying to reinvent the wheel has just got to go and that includes, you know, all these ticky tattooed crap that we're with and the wheels turning, people are getting frustrated with what is going on and people are, people are, I think, tuning off.

00:20:56:17 - 00:21:16:05
Unknown
And I don't like that because this is the game that, you know, gave me so much. And I love the game and I just yeah, I just wish it was I just wish it was fairer. And I think and I think it's an easy fix. I think a lot of people are in agreement with you in terms of, you know, it's I think it was for all I know it.

00:21:16:07 - 00:21:34:01
Unknown
Collingwood, Sydney I watched the first quarter, missed the second, miss the third and then watched the last half of the lost. And I think a lot of people are finding the same whether the game is too long, whether there's t touch wood stuff as you say and or people aren't going to the game. I mean yes they are, but they're frustrated with the game.

00:21:34:01 - 00:21:51:21
Unknown
I think it was, I think that might have been a first as well on Friday night, the first time I'd been to a game in a box and not had a trophy. Really? Yeah. Did you feel better about so very different. Well, why were you? It was like, yeah, well, and Swanny didn't have a beer either because he's got a big fight coming up.

00:21:51:21 - 00:22:13:20
Unknown
Like we're going to do a little special on footballers and boxing and can't wait to get stuck in. Yes, we've got to you know, Tyson's got a big fight coming up, which I like. Jake Paul So we'll do a little 20 minute special on all of that because yes one, he's fighting DC and you know, you've had a fierce fighting Mitch Robinson and all of that So we'll talk about all of that.

00:22:13:22 - 00:22:23:06
Unknown
Other things I want to bring up from Thursday night, which was I'll tell you what you do, do you? I ended up eating about four party pies and four sausage rolls and you had scones,

00:22:23:06 - 00:22:33:06
Unknown
so you had dinner. Well, I'm working on it, but I'm working it off. I work it off. What are you saying? Is projecting your insecurities back onto me?

00:22:33:08 - 00:23:02:21
Unknown
You're good at that. You're. You're. You can be an A-hole sometimes. I'm very boring, too. Apparently so. So you might have that. I'm not. Neil realized I'm not. Not funny at all without a couple of beers in me. really? we have to work on that now. Why? You actually put a tweet out on Thursday night? If it was for Carlton Richmond and it was in relation to the umpires barracking for Carlton.

00:23:02:23 - 00:23:25:11
Unknown
Well, that was after my first tweet. Yes. Of which I said, by the way of the commentary around that game, Carlton, Richmond. Carlton, Richmond. I sat there listening to the fox and I thought Jack Riewoldt did a really good job. He was articulate, spoke really well. I think. I think he went far too far the other way because he didn't want to sound biased towards Richmond.

00:23:25:13 - 00:23:44:10
Unknown
Yep. So they were all pissing in Carlton's pockets, telling them, you know, they're doing this well. And don't get me wrong, Carlton can control most of the game, but Richmond had the time where they could have put a couple more goals on was all Carlton, all content at half time. Okay, so he led the game. Richmond. Richmond, one point out.

00:23:44:10 - 00:24:03:05
Unknown
Okay, so Carlton probably could have been a couple of goals up, but there were two teams out there and the fact that Carlton couldn't put them away, I got to talk about the other team. I was just and everybody's love fest that we all have for the blues at the moment of tape. The blues to finish in the finals the last five years.

00:24:03:07 - 00:24:25:14
Unknown
Prove me wrong. The four of them, they got there last year. A rep for them made the preliminary final, made a great account of themselves, and they've started this year really well. Okay. They've they've played some good footy, they've played some shocking footy in those two games as well. They have, by the way, but their good has been really good and I'm two and zero, so this has got nothing to do with the blues.

00:24:25:14 - 00:24:44:03
Unknown
I hope the blues play finals footy. I think it's a great thing, but could everyone just stop pissing in their pocket telling them how good they are? It's like the commentators are barracking for them and I reckon in the second half. And yes, Lynch got a couple of free kicks for Richmond early in the game, so I understand that for all those Blues supporters out there, they got their freebies.

00:24:44:03 - 00:25:03:10
Unknown
Yep. But late in that game in the last quarter, the blues got a couple of really soft free kicks that just weren't there. Yeah, and in the end, the blues win by five points or whatever it was. So yeah, it just seems everyone's on the blue bandwagon, you know, this new shiny, this new shiny toy that they want to win.

00:25:03:10 - 00:25:31:07
Unknown
That's a big powerhouse club. Just be. Just call it as it is. Yeah. Good on you blues, good on you, Foxy and rap of Aussie and rap. For them it looks a lot calmer. I just think that it. I just think that everyone's up their bum. Well, actually you bring up a good point because I actually found that with Collingwood in Sydney and I was listening to the Channel seven broadcast through Fox Sports, but I, some of the Channel seven commentators were far too biased towards Collingwood.

00:25:31:09 - 00:25:48:16
Unknown
Sydney was by far the greater team view of their life. Yep. So you were saying stuff that we don't should have won by a lot more. Yeah. And Collingwood was very, very disappointing. They were. And like I said at the top of the show, when you've got, you know, players like and over and over Pendlebury turning the ball over more.

00:25:48:16 - 00:26:08:11
Unknown
Turning the ball over. Yep. Switching playing kick in to a Sydney. Yeah. Forward. Yeah yeah You know they were they were ordinary so you know Brisbane have lost their first two games, Collingwood lost a first time in the history of the game apparently. Yeah. I read the two sides of my grandfather and great grandfather list of gone zero and two.

00:26:08:13 - 00:26:33:01
Unknown
So based on that, Collingwood being the biggest club in the land, where do you see them at the end of the season? well let's if you break Collingwood down over the last two years, I'm interested to see how McRae reacts. This is the first adversity that he's actually, but it's only two games that is, but he's, you know, happy go lucky mister positive in every single way.

00:26:33:05 - 00:26:59:02
Unknown
Now I want to see the reaction from him and, and this group because you know, they've won so many close games you know over the last two years and been an unbelievable effort and good on them and they're the premiership side of last year now you know we'll find out you know how this group and how he is a coach and a young coach and still learning as he's going how he reacts to these two and zero.

00:26:59:02 - 00:27:27:23
Unknown
I will say this. So on Brisbane Brisbane's defense in nine when we lost in 1998, I think we lost the first two or three games in 1999 for memory and went on to win it. Okay, so that yeah, well it's funny because McCrae I think, keeps his cards close to his chest to a degree, but he's actually very giving in a press conference after the game and he's, he's, I wouldn't say manipulative but he's he's he said duck it seduces the media in.

00:27:28:04 - 00:27:49:13
Unknown
He's a good guy. He's just closed the door. It's good. I like it. I like you guys. But yeah, he's been he's been awesome. But his forecast changes, I think both have the ability to bounce back and still clearly make finals and top four. There's no question about that. Well, they drinking their own bathwater. They hung over from last year's premiership.

00:27:49:15 - 00:28:18:01
Unknown
I don't buy into that. And the unveiling of the flag, I don't well, I buy into that. That may have changed like that might have been program from maybe being a bit lighter in on the format of Friday night, but it got pulled back a little bit earlier. Well, in the end it didn't work anyway, did it. Well, and plus I think they did a 5:15 when no one could say, unless you're right, that's what I just said.

00:28:18:03 - 00:28:38:11
Unknown
Yeah. So you got to listen to what I say. listen, every time you speak one. Yeah. So all in all the, the first round of footy overnight, it's really the second round of footy to some teams. Yeah. What do you think anyone jumping out that you think. well you know they've, they've improved. Clearly the Gold Coast Suns have improved.

00:28:38:13 - 00:29:01:02
Unknown
It's got to give them a little bit of love. Well done to Adelaide fighting back. Damian Hardwick's clearly given them some confidence and some structure and we've done something well, just his presence, given what he's done in the game. it's clearly given this group a great deal of confidence and good on them to go two and zero.

00:29:01:02 - 00:29:20:21
Unknown
I don't think they've ever, if they ever done that before, I think they might have when on the letter Ablett was there, they might have won a few games early in one of the years that he was there, but he unwrapped for them. Port Adelaide did what they had to do against West Coast and many other surprises. You know, the Bulldogs, it's only one game and they hadn't played.

00:29:20:21 - 00:29:43:03
Unknown
As I said, Melbourne had the advantage. But you know, there's a lot of question marks about these. Once again, I think there's probably 15 teams. 14 teams I'll say can make the eight. Yep, 14 times. What did you like out of the weekend. What did I like player and or club. No. Look you know what I like the young talent.

00:29:43:03 - 00:30:03:04
Unknown
There's some young talent at North I like read I liked his game for West Coast I thought you know he showed enough to you know I guess all the hype around him being the number one pick. So there was plenty to like. Yeah, there was some really good footy was a lot of growth for a lot of a lot of blow outs which which old footy club I just spoke about.

00:30:03:05 - 00:30:26:10
Unknown
Not kangaroos. Yeah. I said there's a lot to like about them. There's some young kids there, they take it all straight. Yeah. It was good wasn't it. You know, they had, they have too many flat patches, they can play some really good footy but the, the, the levels, the gap and Clarke I talked about this, the gap is a still too wide between their best and their worst.

00:30:26:12 - 00:30:45:14
Unknown
And I listened to Alastair Clarkson just on my old club during the week speak about that middle tier and Cam Zurhaar is one of those that middle tier that have to have career best years for the Kangaroos to improve immensely This year can't be relied on. I know she's the one an F, but he's in his second year and Wardlaw and all these guys.

00:30:45:16 - 00:31:13:06
Unknown
Don't worry about those young kids. No Lark is in that middle tier, but he's he sustained it now for a couple of years. So Lachie has reached a high level, all Australian level. So he, he maintains that and then that middle key at middle tier, I mean that includes him getting all that and I know he didn't, but there's zurhaar and there's a heap of guys in there, even Bailey, Scott, all of those guys have to have career best years for the Kangaroos to really, really improve.

00:31:13:06 - 00:31:30:04
Unknown
And I'm, I like the way Clarke did it in his press conference. He's just sort of put it back to them and said this is what we have to do and and it's true. And that's the same for every club. Yeah, you superstars are going to deliver what they deliver and then that middle tier have to all improve together.

00:31:30:08 - 00:31:53:14
Unknown
Yeah, not one of them, Not all of them, but a group of five of them. And then you get, then you get some real results. So that's where they, that's where they find themselves and it's really good counsel for me looking at the other things, their opposition is you call me Wayne, you call me King It well, Wayne Wayne KING And I'm not going down that path now, okay?

00:31:53:16 - 00:32:13:20
Unknown
Now that he's their opposition on Saturday, I tell you, who I thought was fantastic was Jesse Hogan. We know he's at his third club, but he has taken that forward line at GWC and turned it into his own. I know Dave MATTHEWS would live and listen to this podcast, but he emailed me well, did he? Well done, Dave MATTHEWS.

00:32:13:22 - 00:32:34:12
Unknown
Well done. He took a chance on Jesse Hogan. Yep. I took Jesse Hogan from Fremantle. We know we know Jesse had talent in Melbourne. We know. We know he's gone through for you. You gave him some advice. He is he is a genuine he is arguably, I'd have to think about it because he's off the top. I think he's the best contested mark in the game.

00:32:34:17 - 00:32:59:04
Unknown
Yeah, he's a star now. He's yeah, he's got the Stuttery run up with his goalkicking but you know he's work rate and he's marking is exceptional. He's a gun. Yeah. The way J wise have got him playing now and last year and you know a little bit the year before. I mean this is a great turnaround this is a great story This isn't getting the plaudits that it should be getting so well done.

00:32:59:04 - 00:33:23:19
Unknown
Dave MATTHEWS. Yep. Ring him and tell him I said that he listens to the show anyway. And you're my Jason McCartney. I'm not. Did Joyce have anything to lose? Manager Yeah, but I reckon I reckon he would have had to tick it off with Typekit Okay, well done. Well done, Jason then as well. And you know what? I wish the mainstream media would understand the impact that Jessie Hogan has had on himself, but also his teammates.

00:33:23:19 - 00:33:46:22
Unknown
Exactly. They're showing, by the way, there is they are going very well. Sleeping giant, although they're not they're not asleep, are they? I mean, you know, they were a kick away from a grand final last year. And the way they finished the year they started this year, they quick. Yes are and Jesse Hogan has kicked ten goals in two games, which I think is the first forward since Tony Modra to do it in the nineties.

00:33:46:24 - 00:34:13:17
Unknown
Really. Yeah. So they've got Callum Brown, Jesse Hogan and then they take the heat away from Tony. Great. Yeah. So he's a free year to perform magic like he does now. They, they one that really stands out Sydney as we mentioned before you know they make, they're young you know they, they talk about the middle tier and then they're superstars who and even Heeney has to I reckon go to that next level.

00:34:13:17 - 00:34:34:05
Unknown
Yeah we know that he's, he's had patches in years but he was brilliant. The other night. his marquee. So it shows they've, they've had guys that have had patches in years and shown their ability. But so Nick Blakey was quite the other night and you know he's one of the great against Melbourne is correct so they've got a they've got a group that if they go to the next level, you know, look at Sydney.

00:34:34:07 - 00:34:52:22
Unknown
So in terms of Amari and McDonald, I mean you're the big forwards winner that can they improve to. They need to improve. Well they have improved. They have. But can they go to another level. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean all of a sudden when they go forward they look for the best option. Yeah. They haven't got that bacon their cold buddy.

00:34:52:24 - 00:35:15:05
Unknown
Yep. So that I just it's just an easy thing to just go to him and go to him sometimes and it's a wrong decision. So, you know, all of a sudden they've got that, that balance going forward now I think is a lot better and freer and the shackles are being taken off those younger players to actually lead to a space that they should be leading to and not getting in the road of, you know, one of the all time greats.

00:35:15:08 - 00:35:33:18
Unknown
Yep. So they they look really, really good. And you know who I love out of the Swans? Who I'm sure you will hope to have in your side. Tom Papley the he made to stay with the sport. And I think it is the other night. you reckon he didn't play well? But that's the thing. He wasn't. He didn't play a good game.

00:35:33:18 - 00:36:01:24
Unknown
He heard his name but came back. Had he made multi he got a goal. Wouldn't believe it. Talking about I had a multi and gamble responsibly but I had a multi and all of the legs I tip Collingwood doing from 1 to 39 so that was the only leg I didn't get up and I don't know why because I actually tipped Sydney in in tips that I do, I tipped Sydney but in my multi I don't know why.

00:36:01:24 - 00:36:20:10
Unknown
Maybe because Swan he was you know not to me he was next to me saying Collingwood, Collingwood, Collingwood. So in the multi I had six individual goal kickers got them all up. Yep. But didn't. Yeah. Didn't get the win. Well speaking of gambling responsibly, is there a certain platform that you use that you're inclined. There will be.

00:36:20:10 - 00:36:56:09
Unknown
What's this space. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The is speaking of Collingwood, the 1990 premiership coach Leigh MATTHEWS made some very interesting comments last week and said that the AFL should introduce a send off rule. This was after the Jimmy Webster and George Simpkin discussion. Concussion. Yes, we got it. I don't like the send off rule now. We've changed. We've changed too much in it and you would have to be categorically 100% correct to enforce it.

00:36:56:09 - 00:37:20:12
Unknown
Yep. Yeah. And what send off offer when not allowed bring another place. So you play one short you know I'm not sure the intricacies but he said for what? For what website did Josh Simkin should be cynical. I'm not sure that we should. Okay, so if that. But that like I said, you're allowed to bring another player on or you play one short because that's then that's the real for the ice hockey sort of stuff isn't it.

00:37:20:14 - 00:37:36:19
Unknown
Yeah. Isn't that the same in soccer as well. Yes. For certain periods. Done. Whether that works. Rugby scene been 10 minutes or whatever it is. Yeah. I don't like it. You, I like it. Now what about a 10 minutes in been. Let's copy some more other sports. Yeah. No, I'm not a fan. I don't like it now either.

00:37:36:19 - 00:37:56:10
Unknown
Do what the other thing is, and you've obviously played the game at the highest level as we know, 272 games. If you say knock out Joy Simkin or an opposition person, do you then feel would some players feel guilty for doing that and it would affect their game and their mindset? A lot of a lot of players can't hang it once you report, it just plays the plays on the mind.

00:37:56:12 - 00:38:18:16
Unknown
You're less likely to feel you're less well, you're less likely to play not too many players after they're reported go on and play a really good game and very few maybe guys like Domi, Reece Jones deeper hip. They might. All the Hard men might be a few other. Yeah, there might be a few out there that have played rec and Plug has probably gone on and kicked in after he's been reported.

00:38:18:20 - 00:38:33:05
Unknown
I think he's one out of the box. But the other thing, Barry Hall, after a belter, Brant Staker had a shocking game and broke his hand. Did he? Yep. Well, you guys, I would. And by the way talking, but like we said, we talk about Barry Hall in a little special we're going to do on footballers and boxing.

00:38:33:07 - 00:38:56:21
Unknown
And the other thing is but you brought up Dermott Purton, the great Hawthorn legend. Did you notice him in that you read That was broadcast two weeks ago? I did. Well, did you like it or did locked it? There was Buddy, there was Alexander Volkanovski. It was timing all of us. Kerry O'Keeffe, Wendell Sailor, John Aloisi, Steve Warr, Dylan Alcott and Dermot Burton.

00:38:56:23 - 00:39:19:21
Unknown
It was wine Kerry couldn't afford me or really dummies. Allegedly he was negligent. He was my hero growing up. One of my heroes. Yeah, well, the number 23, I like the a lot. I actually, by the way, one of the great ads great at Nelson Hotel in Bondi. I think that's one of the best ads I've seen. Yep.

00:39:19:23 - 00:39:41:06
Unknown
Brilliant. It's very, very well put together. Whoever devised that is a marketing genius. I concur, but you don't even know what they're selling. Which that's a good idea. So you'd, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, well, I knew. Yeah, but you have to be able to bring those caliber of stars. I must have spent a bit. Wow. Yeah, but. Well, they obviously couldn't afford you.

00:39:41:06 - 00:40:01:15
Unknown
Was the cheapest one. You reckon I'm not touching. That might have to now. But what would, what would have cost to you to get you there. 900 k I'd. By the way, they're not a bad car. They're good car. Yeah. Very spacious, very kid. Friendly. Yep. And they look after the Australian. Yeah. No. Yeah. A good car. I just.

00:40:01:16 - 00:40:23:08
Unknown
I was surprised we didn't say the number right in the in the. No not no at all. Interesting. They What about secure to ply Geelong on the weekend. Are they becoming a relevant No. I love what Ross Lyon has done with this. I know you love Ross Law and they had a stars they had a chance to win.

00:40:23:10 - 00:40:47:21
Unknown
Sorry, that's out of Kings. They had a chance to win that guy. They did So I'm and down at the cattery I think that's that's a pretty good effort I know that Ross will be disappointed but I thought I'm looking at that saying that's a take for St Kilda. They can take Geelong. We're not sure how long it's going to be this year, but if they can do that, I think that's a positive.

00:40:47:23 - 00:41:12:22
Unknown
The other thing that I took from that game, Joel Selwood getting he's got the Grandstand jail also would stand opening of he's a superstar, one of the I love Joel so he's he's you know arguably one of the best captains the game has ever seen not arguably he's he's one of the best captains the game has ever ever seen, just to star in every way and fully deserved loved.

00:41:12:23 - 00:41:32:24
Unknown
Well done to Joel. So the other thing all get asked a lot. I'm not sure whether you do. Joel Selwood What's it like behind the scenes as a bloke, as a beauty? Very caring. Have you much to do with him? A little. just conversations. And he's one of those guys walks up. First thing he says is our house has just how the kids.

00:41:33:01 - 00:41:50:14
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. He's one of those. He's. He's a he's a beautiful, beautiful boy. I'm glad to call him a boy because I'm way older than him. But you turn and he's doing. And you know what? And I think that he's been good in the media as well. Yep. Yep. He certainly has an opinion. Yeah. And I think that he articulates himself.

00:41:50:14 - 00:42:10:06
Unknown
He doesn't talk too much and he is succinct in his comments. Now, when you give up your abstinence of alcohol, was he the sort of bloke that you bring and say, let's go and have a beer at the pub on a Saturday. Would he be. Yeah, I reckon he would. He's interesting enough there's others out there. You probably wouldn't.

00:42:10:06 - 00:42:31:19
Unknown
They're a bit stiff. Well but nice names. This is the truth. Hurts plenty. We would. There's plenty to do. But. And he's part of the most family. A Well, he's part of the family as well. Charles popping the pill and the hairs growing. The feathers have grown back. No need to wear ahead any more of you know, I feel shy.

00:42:31:20 - 00:42:51:21
Unknown
Yep. So now he's one of those. But there'll be plenty to talk about given that we're around 1 a.m. so many predictions. You know, you had everyone. Collingwood, you know they're impeccable for the flag. They're going to go back to back. How long's he still honestly going to go on for. So there's going to be plenty to talk about in the in the coming weeks.

00:42:51:21 - 00:43:12:19
Unknown
But I've enjoyed having a chat with you today. Tony. I'm glad. It's been good to enjoy it. We've covered we've covered it a little bit. We're speaking to, as I said, we're going to do a bit of a chat around boxing and I know that you're mates with the man. Anthony The man. Mundine Yes, we'll chat with him on Friday.

00:43:12:19 - 00:43:32:14
Unknown
We are, and I want to talk little bit about him because I believe that he's a he's a special he's special he's special in he's in his own unique way. So we'll do that in the in the other little episode that we do about boxing. Thanks for being here today, Tony. It's been a pleasure, Wayne.