Season 1 - EP#46 - Wrapping things up, brave Carter and great Journos

Season 1 - EP#46 - Wrapping things up, brave Carter and great Journos

Out last weekly episode of Season 1 is here! Duck and wool wrap things up for the year.

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[00:00:00] ayrton: Well, Duck, we're back for another episode of The Truth Hurts. A special episode as well. The final, I guess, weekly episode of our first season. It's been, uh, 

[00:00:09] wayne: it's

[00:00:13] ayrton: been an interesting 

[00:00:14] wayne: ride. Are you It has, it has. We've, uh, well, we've made a few headlines, um, which has been good, some good, uh, you know, some, uh, a little twisted, certain views on some of the things that we've discussed and, um, but mostly positive. 

[00:00:32] ayrton: I would, I would agree. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I mean, early doors, there was obviously some big conversation around your return to media.

[00:00:39] ayrton: We had Dennis Pagan on and there was some great conversations you had with Dennis. Um, that was, that was really interesting at the time and that got some, some big, big coverage. But even then, it's been the more personal stuff that we've seen about you, um. Getting 

[00:00:52] wayne: a little bit of, well, well, you know, when you come in here on a Monday and you've, and you've had, um, sometimes, you know, [00:01:00] an interesting weekend, you, you even came in here a couple of times, probably shouldn't have, uh, come in off the back of what you'd got up to.

[00:01:07] wayne: So yeah, it's a, it's a good, interesting time to do it, I reckon on a Monday. Yeah. The weekend's fresh. 

[00:01:15] ayrton: Tried to make it a bit more about life, not just sport too, and hopefully have given everyone an insight into, into you as a person, um, not just as a media 

[00:01:26] wayne: identity. Well, I, I think I've got more, I've had more people come up to me, um, in the street and talk about this podcast than they did, than they did about Triple M or Channel 7.

[00:01:40] wayne: Yep. Now, that's probably because the people that tune in have a choice to tune in and, you know, they want to have a listen. And so I guess, I guess it's just, so it's more a choice for them. It's not like, you know, they turn on the radio and you happen to be on there or, you know, turn on Friday night footy.

[00:01:59] wayne: [00:02:00] So it's, and that has been really positive as well. I haven't had any, uh, flog come up and, and be cheeky about it. A few, a few, uh, cheeky comments about me not knowing your name and all of that, but it, it has been, it's been fun. Um, I hope it's been a little bit informative and, uh, and it does give people a little bit of a snapshot about, you know, what, uh, what goes on from week to week when you live in this, uh, you know, crazy, uh, in this crazy skin.

[00:02:28] wayne: And in saying that, I watched the, uh, Robbie Williams documentary last night. Wow. We've spoken a lot about documentaries this year and some of the good ones David Beckham we've, we've discussed, but, and it's unbelievable. It's brilliant. 

[00:02:43] ayrton: I haven't seen Robbie's. I know he's been through 

[00:02:45] wayne: a lot in his life and he, well, he just talks about the insecurities that he had before he's performing and the mental health battles that he's gone through, which is quite incredible.

[00:02:55] wayne: And that also leads us to,

[00:02:59] wayne: uh, we're going to have [00:03:00] a bit of a chat to. The, uh, GBS founder, Sean Wallace, and it's going to be a good blog in 

[00:03:06] a 

[00:03:06] ayrton: good blog society. You're an ambassador in and 

[00:03:09] wayne: around, just in and around, um, men's health, but also all health. I think there's a nine suicides a day, so it is a big issue. So we're going to have a chat to him, but, um, Robbie Williams, he just opened up and he had all this vision.

[00:03:26] wayne: filmed over a long period of time and then he's just put it all together but if you had a view it's quite amazing when you when you had a view about And then they do these documentaries, a bit like David Beckham. The same thing with him. And I know it can be manipulated to how, you know, especially if you're cutting it up and producing it.

[00:03:47] wayne: But I just thought you had a real humbleness about Beckham and, uh, I guess with Robbie Williams, there's a real fragility around him and his, you know, whole [00:04:00] journey. Fragile is a really, um, good word for it because he just got so uptight before performing. I guess 

[00:04:09] ayrton: like you spoke about having a mask in one of our very first episodes.

[00:04:12] ayrton: Absolutely. Cause he's, you watch him as this most confident entertainer. 

[00:04:16] wayne: Exactly. Exactly. So, no, it's fascinating, uh, listening, 

[00:04:20] ayrton: actually. He's actually, he's in Melbourne next month. So this is the tour that he sold off the back of his grand final, um, appearance. Yeah. Is coming around now. So I got my parents actually coming over to watch Robbie in, uh, in a few weeks time.

[00:04:32] ayrton: So, uh. I hope you shouted the tickets. Did you? I was. It was a Christmas present. Um, so. 

[00:04:37] wayne: Well, and talking about what we're coming, uh, not only off a big weekend, um, but a big break. The spring carnival and you know what? One of the things and I've always felt this but It's just been strengthened over the last week.

[00:04:52] wayne: There's a lot of trickery with Melbourne Cup week There's a lot of trickery

[00:04:59] wayne: [00:05:00] Look you go to the races. Let's not blow up the show 

[00:05:02] ayrton: in the last episode You 

[00:05:03] wayne: people don't actually look like they look when they're at the races. There's a lot of trickery 

[00:05:10] ayrton: Well, I know you're, I assume you are referring to a certain class of people. I would say there might be some trickery with yourself as well.

[00:05:20] ayrton: I've just got to, I'm just going to go straight to a question here that we had. I want to save this for a bit further down. This is from Rogan. Uh, can we have a non hat, ettin and duck episode? I want to see if the duck, mosh hairline comeback is true. 

[00:05:33] wayne: Have a look at this. Have a look at the, the mosh is, uh, it's kicked, well, I got off, I got off the, uh, I got off the, uh, the tablets for a little bit and, uh, back on the tablets and it's thickened up again.

[00:05:50] wayne: You need, you actually, I've got to, I'll, I'll speak to the, there becomes a time in 

[00:05:55] ayrton: your journey with mosh and others that, 

[00:05:58] wayne: uh, also [00:06:00] we did do an episode on the possum. Um, or on possums during the year as well, which, uh, people loved and they're all, there should be an episode on. When it's just time to shave it like, you know, yes, you look like you got four daddy long legs on your head.

[00:06:19] wayne: It's . It's just like you, you know, you sometimes you just gotta bite the bullet. Gary abt Jr. Judi, all these guys. 

[00:06:28] ayrton: Yeah. See these guys? I, um. I think they look good with the shaved head. It 

[00:06:32] wayne: does help that they're also... I think you've got a good, you've actually got a baby 

[00:06:35] ayrton: face. Oh, I'd need to lose a bit of weight I reckon if I lost the, uh...

[00:06:38] ayrton: I actually think... Grow a beard. The facial hair is a great slimmer, so... There's gotta be, 

[00:06:43] wayne: yeah, there's just a time when you've lost enough where you just bite the bullet. Well, well... I reckon you're there. 

[00:06:49] ayrton: Sorry. The first episode of next year. Who knows. There may well a different No hat, no hat. I'm definitely holding on.

[00:06:58] ayrton: I 

[00:06:58] wayne: know that, you know, you know these, you [00:07:00] can get it tattooed. Yeah, I have. 

[00:07:02] ayrton: Yeah, I've seen that. You could get the tattooing. I had someone talking to me. I, I don't think I've brought this up about how turkeys that go to, do we, do we talk about Yes. 

[00:07:09] wayne: Yeah, we, we, I think off air. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I've got a very close, uh, relative, um, that's got, uh,

[00:07:17] wayne: I hope this doesn't, anyway, I'm not gonna mention nobody knows. Oh. Nobody can, and they can't tell, either. So, anyway, we just digress there a little bit, because it has been one of those years, hasn't it? We can just go anywhere, and do anything. And talking about the weekend, and during the week, Carter, uh, got his first cut.

[00:07:40] wayne: You never forget your first. You never forget your first 

[00:07:44] ayrton: cut. He's had a big few weeks between his first bee sting 

[00:07:47] wayne: and his first cut. Well, he got a bee, yeah. Yeah, he's actually, good point. It's been a couple, uh, three weeks where he's had something go wrong. So we're at a, a mate's house and, um, he [00:08:00] was running all day around the pool.

[00:08:02] wayne: And I was watching and the other kids there and he's running and they're running and I could just see it. You know, you can just vision it. And I just kept saying, someone is going to slip in a minute. and we're going to have stitches. I, I, I don't know how many times I said it. Anyway, it didn't happen like that.

[00:08:19] wayne: He was actually just happened, they were throwing balls to one another and he just happened to step backwards, then come down on the inside in the pool and just clipped his chin. So it could have been a lot worse. So he got a, he got a cut under there, uh, straight to the Cabrini hospital and they were brilliant.

[00:08:36] wayne: They were very good. Uh, uh, because he, you know, he was. Fair to say he wasn't all that brave. He, he, he, he's four. You've thrown 

[00:08:46] ayrton: Carter under the bus a few 

[00:08:47] wayne: times this year. He's four, but you know what, this is what I love. So, and I explained to him his first cut, scars, you know, some people like scars. And, you know, he's, he's a good looking little boy.

[00:08:59] wayne: And I said, don't [00:09:00] worry, you'll, you'll be okay. And, uh, but when the nurse came and they were really good, sensational. So it was a choice, stitch it or glue it. And I thought, well. Gluing it is less needles going in the fact that he'd had a sausage scissor on the way to the, on the way to the, uh, hospital.

[00:09:19] wayne: Mm-Hmm. He wasn't allowed to have the gas Because he would had food. Yeah. He would throw up, so he would've had to wait longer. Mm-Hmm. So he, we went with the, uh, we went with the glue, and now he had to be pinned down just for the gluing, like literally pinned, like wrapped up like a cocoon. Um, and yeah, like the whole hospital heard him and, and before he had that, we promised him, uh, Jess and I promised him that we would get him a toy if he was brave.

[00:09:48] wayne: Right? So, so straight after he gets it done, he's all stitched, uh, not glued up, uh, got the bandaid on there and you're in the car and he's going, Oh, so we've got the toy. And I, and [00:10:00] I said, I said to him actually the next day, I said, Hey. Cause that's all he was talking about. Let's go to Kmart, you know, let's get a...

[00:10:07] wayne: Or did he have some 

[00:10:08] ayrton: thoughts on what he wanted? 

[00:10:09] wayne: Let's get a toy. Oh, he's got a list in his head a mile long. So we're on our way there and I said, Hey listen, do you actually think you really deserve this toy? Oh no, you broke his heart. No, I said, do you actually think you were really brave, like when we were at the hospital?

[00:10:26] wayne: And this is what I love. He looked me straight in the eye and said, No daddy. I wasn't, I wasn't, I don't think I was brave. I said, now you deserve a 

[00:10:36] ayrton: toy. Oh, well at least, okay, well there's a good bit of honesty there, bit of 

[00:10:39] wayne: self awareness. He realised he could have handled it a little bit better, but, so he's got a big, he's got a big scab now under his chin, um, this was what, six days, actually seven days ago, he's already picked the scab off, so the scar's gonna be worse than what it should have been.

[00:10:57] wayne: But that's what four year olds do. So it [00:11:00] was an eventful weekend, and week, as I said, Spring Carnival 

[00:11:04] ayrton: and, uh. Well you went three times to the races during the week, did you? I did. That's, that's a, that's a. I went, uh. There's a bit of effort that goes into that. 

[00:11:10] wayne: There is a lot of talk about, you know, the Birdcage, and that's just become Flog City.

[00:11:16] wayne: And then. Well you were in there, weren't you? No, no, no, no. I was in the, I was in the chairmans, and I was the winning person. Oh, okay. You're above that. You're above it. Yeah. I was the. There's, yeah, well it's just a different, uh, it's a different clientele in there than what they do in the other areas. You 

[00:11:33] ayrton: haven't missed it for a decade, but you're 

[00:11:35] wayne: just calling them flogs.

[00:11:36] wayne: The Chairman's, the Chairman's is without a doubt. Um, like a, just a great set up. I love going up there. I love the ease of it, but I was in a, I was in a couple of marquees with Matt Hill. They run big events and that, that was really good too. And the reason for that, you get dropped off basically at the door.

[00:11:56] wayne: And then you get picked up at the door, so you're not having to walk through, you know, [00:12:00] blokes like you, Riff Raff, on the Bundy Cairns. Flock, so to speak. No, on the Bundy Cairns all day, and all of a sudden grow a bit of Dutch courage. And, you know, like, so you don't have to walk through 

[00:12:10] ayrton: all of that. Yeah, okay, I can understand that for someone like you that might be an issue.

[00:12:13] ayrton: Did you, did you, um, You didn't have a great start at the carnival from a tipping point of view, did you back anything? I backed the 

[00:12:19] wayne: winner of the cup, and had a tip on Thursday, one of those. But I don't think too many people did. Well done to Jamie Carr. Back in form? On stakes day. 

[00:12:31] ayrton: Unbelievable. So treble on stakes day, and she ended up having more winners across the cup carnival than anyone.

[00:12:36] ayrton: I know, how could? When you consider that she could hardly buy a winner leading into the carnival, that was amazing. Just on the cup winner, I, um, each year, I, my gran, Esma her name is, she's, uh, 

[00:12:47] wayne: she's That's a typical grandma name. It is, 

[00:12:49] ayrton: yeah. I like that. So she's down in Hobart. She, um, she's getting close to 90 now.

[00:12:53] ayrton: I think she'd be about 87, maybe. I don't want to give her an extra year because she'll pull me up on that. But she normally sends over a bit of [00:13:00] money each year for the Melbourne Cup for me to put a bet on for her. She's not a drinker or a gambler, so this is her one bet for the year. So it started off about 10 years ago as 5, and then she went up to 10 for inflation.

[00:13:12] ayrton: And this year she upped her stake to 20. So there's a bit of pressure on me this time. I end up going without a fight, so... Um, won her a hundred and sixty dollars, which for her, she's had a few heart issues and she texted me and she said, I'm just trying to get my heart rate back to normal, 

[00:13:28] wayne: I thought, geez, what do I, that'd 

[00:13:29] ayrton: be, it'd grant out a few issues after winning the cup, but it's amazing the different little reactions that go on in your brain after you have a winner.

[00:13:39] ayrton: And so she has texted me. Saying, uh, cause I said, what do you want to do with the money? And she said straight away, well maybe you should keep it in your account and we'll go big. That were her words, we'll go big next year as if we're like, And she said a hundred, her message, text to me said, 160 times 8 to 1 next year is like more than a thousand.

[00:13:57] ayrton: Got the bug. [00:14:00] Firstly, pressure on me to get it, but isn't that, that's what your brain does after you have a win. That's what they say. She did come full circle now. She, this is much more like her. She, my sister works at Movember. Um, now she's going to donate it to Movember. She's not going to gamble it. So, uh, well underground, she's, she's done something with her winnings probably more than you or I would anyway, if we have a 

[00:14:19] wayne: win.

[00:14:19] wayne: So the other thing that I got up to is I went to a big plumbers event. Kevin Sheedy, uh, has come up with this. Pretty sure it was his idea, um, so he's, he's gone to some, some big guys, the, the boss of the union, Earl and, and Scotty Dowse, the president of the Plumbers Association, so, so some big guys, so there was, uh, I don't know exactly how many, I think there was three or four hundred plumbers in a room on Saturday night, and Kevin Sheedy picked his best ever plumbers team that have played, uh, VFL AFL.

[00:14:51] wayne: Tell you what, good team. Had some big, like Michael Tuck, obviously BT was in there. Uh, John Kennedy Jr. [00:15:00] Uh, Sheeds had himself as coach. But they're a really, really good team. Solid team. 

[00:15:05] ayrton: BT rates himself as a bit of a handyman, doesn't he? He's got his big, um... Yeah, well 

[00:15:10] wayne: he was a plumber initially, so he, he, he was, uh, he couldn't get to the event, uh, which I was a bit sad about, because I like, uh, BT's company.

[00:15:18] wayne: Um, but he, he was named at full forward, so he'll be happy about that. It's about the only, uh, rep team he's been named in as an adult. As an adult. Because as a, as a kid, he was the same size he is now when he was eight. As a man child. So he was, he was the shot put champion. He was the uh, discus thrower.

[00:15:39] wayne: Yep. He just won every, he was, he was the best basketballer. He was the best footballer because he was just bigger. Yes, he's thick and strong. But then as an adult, well, everyone caught up. He did kick a hundred in his life. Yeah. Nah, he's a, he's a ripper PT. I love him. 

[00:15:55] ayrton: Just in case he's listening, you're fine, you're 

[00:15:57] wayne: fine.

[00:15:58] wayne: No, no, I do, I do love BT. [00:16:00] Talking about basketball, what about, where do you say his last name? 

[00:16:03] ayrton: Victor? Wenbenyama. You're finally on board, are you? I've only been bringing him up. Wenbenyama. 

[00:16:06] wayne: Wenbenyama, yeah. Wenbenyama. Wenbenyama, yeah. Wenbenyama. Wowee. He is, he is just a, he's just a freakish talent. And the height.

[00:16:20] wayne: He doesn't even, he jumps that high. Yeah. Verdankt. 

[00:16:24] ayrton: Yeah, for anyone who's listening and not looking into it, he doesn't need to jump much, that's what you're saying. 

[00:16:28] wayne: Oh, sorry, yeah, I've got my people, it is filmed, but it, yes, at literally an inch he has to jump to, to dunk it. Incredible. He's, if he keeps his body sound.

[00:16:38] ayrton: That'll be the question for him, whether he can stay injury free, uh, cause you think someone of that size is going to have some issues at some point, but, 

[00:16:45] wayne: uh. Well, even at 6'4 and I'm 6'5 with heels. Um, you, I have troubles, you know, some hotels, the bed's not big enough and I literally, literally your feet are hanging off the end, you know, you're obviously getting on a flight, [00:17:00] you know, you're not getting an economy class.

[00:17:02] wayne: There are all of these little issues just being around, being my height, like his life, he wouldn't be able to book into a hotel. There's not a hotel that would have a bed. You 

[00:17:13] ayrton: wonder what those U. S. basketball teams do. They'd have to have some custom, um... 

[00:17:17] wayne: Have to be. But not all hotels would deliver 

[00:17:22] ayrton: that, would they?

[00:17:22] ayrton: No, maybe because they've got so much money they're... He would literally 

[00:17:25] wayne: have to put another bed at the bottom of his 

[00:17:29] ayrton: bed. He's huge. And got the skills to match. And got the skills to match. No, absolute freak. I'm glad you're on board. I'm glad you're on board. You're only a month late, but that's okay. I, uh, there was a bit of footy chatter on the weekend, um, or the last few days.

[00:17:45] ayrton: Uh, we're getting the yearly fixture leaks that the AFL likes to drag out over a few weeks. And we get little snippets of what's going to happen next year. The ones we've got so far, I'm going to ask you about, uh, the two main ones. Thursday night footy. So we had, [00:18:00] I believe, ten or maybe eleven last year.

[00:18:02] ayrton: Andrew Dillon, uh, the new Chief Executive, has said we're gonna have more, but not many more, maybe only a couple more Thursday nights. Um, in the future. I think that's a missed opportunity. I think Thursday night's one of the great nights for footy. I don't know what you think about that, but uh, what would the players think about Thursday night?

[00:18:20] wayne: Didn't like it as when I worked in the industry because I just spread the week out. Yeah. Weekend out. It was an extra night you had to work. Yeah. Um, as a footballer you would absolutely love it I would think. Yeah. Because just like Friday night, well you just lead into the weekend and you know, if you'd, and clearly You're playing Thursday you're back training over the weekend, but you know, you're not preparing for a game So for instance, if you had kids, you know You get to go to their sport things that a lot of footballers don't get to do In season because of you know having to play on the weekend.

[00:18:52] wayne: So yes You know 13 14 enough. Yeah, I'm not too fast to 

[00:18:58] ayrton: be one at 23 24 for [00:19:00] me as a supporter. I It just shortens the week for me. You get to Thursday and you feel like the weekend's 

[00:19:06] wayne: here. Yeah, if it's a great, if it's a really good game, I do admit, you do look forward to it. It's another thing to watch, um, you know, on the TV and free to air.

[00:19:16] wayne: Yes. So, you know, you're not having to... You don't have 

[00:19:19] ayrton: K. O. at home? 

[00:19:21] wayne: Yeah, I do, but it, you know, a lot of people out there don't have k No, sorry, I thought so the way you were saying it was they get to watch it on 

[00:19:27] ayrton: free Free, I thought you were suggesting you don't get to watch it if it's not free to air . I was like, come on mate.

[00:19:32] ayrton: Yes, I do get to watch it. Uh, the other one from a fixture point of view, um, is, that's been spoken about is gather round. So the AFL's locked in, gather round in Adelaide, uh, by all reports was a big success in year one. It's interesting how it's sort of. We've gone away from what the NRL had with Magic Round, which is what they structured it on, where they have a lot of games at the same venue over two days.

[00:19:54] ayrton: So there might be three or four games at the same venue, so you lock in and you watch the games there. Adelaide's [00:20:00] obviously, the South Australian government's obviously paid a lot of money, and they've spread it out. I don't mind that, but the one game that stood out for me that I'm calling it a fixturing fail, you might not go as strongly as that, is Collingwood Hawthorne at the Adelaide Oval on the Sunday afternoon.

[00:20:15] ayrton: I just reckon that's, that would have been a great fixture for the G. The first time Jack Inman's coming up against Collingwood. I know 

[00:20:20] wayne: it's not like he's... Collingwood will still have 35, 000 people at that ground. The G, 

[00:20:25] ayrton: that game, gets 80, 000. And imagine the drama and the interest in whether he gets booed and him playing up to the crowd.

[00:20:32] ayrton: I just reckon it would be a great 

[00:20:33] wayne: spectacle. I still think you'll get that at an Adelaide Oval. I think you're underestimating how good that is and how many people went last year. I was a little bit of a pessimist last year. I thought that... I honestly thought that it could be a little bit of a flop.

[00:20:47] wayne: Their Premier, Peter. Malinowskis. That's it. He, I, you know what, good looking, charisma, speaks well. And just every time I hear him, and I heard him this morning [00:21:00] talking about the Gather Round and there's a few other games at Norwood Oval. They're going to have a Norwood Wine Festival all in the Norwood area, which is a great area of Adelaide.

[00:21:11] wayne: They've obviously got games up in the Adelaide Hills, so people that go over can go and enjoy what is a beautiful wine region in Adelaide. Um, you know, everyone knows about the Barossa. I think it's going to be absolutely, given that they've had a hit at it and they nailed it the first time. This is going to be incredible this week.

[00:21:29] wayne: I'll be definitely going over for it. I went over, I went over last year for a game or two, but I think we've got a GBS function actually over there, uh, for the gather round on the Thursday or the Friday. So I'm, I'm really looking forward to it. And, um, Adelaide can have it for as long as they want it. You can't, you can't, it's a bit like the, uh, You're on the AFL payroll now, are you?

[00:21:50] wayne: No, it's a bit like the V8s, you know, they got the V8s taken, no, sorry, the Grand Prix, they got the Grand 

[00:21:55] ayrton: Prix taken off them. They did lose the V8s as well. Yeah, but they got it back. Yes, yeah. [00:22:00] But, No, they're still dirty on losing the Grand 

[00:22:02] wayne: Prix. They, they do do it well. And the South Australian people and their Premier should take a bow for getting behind it and making it what it was and like I said, that's one of the weekends that I'm really looking forward to this weekend.

[00:22:16] wayne: This, uh, next 

[00:22:17] ayrton: year, sorry. I thought I'd come in with one of these really hard hitting cracks 

[00:22:20] wayne: at the... Just on a bit of a, just on a little bit of a downer. Oh. Um, Patrick Smith. Oh, yes. Uh, passed away. 

[00:22:28] ayrton: Yes, um. 

[00:22:29] wayne: So, let's read, you know. Yeah, he was a, he, I'm sure he's written a lot of nice things about me and some not so nice.

[00:22:36] wayne: I would 

[00:22:36] ayrton: assume. He never took a backward step, so yeah, he passed away, three time Walkley winner, so it's the sort of top award you can get as a 

[00:22:42] wayne: journo. I will say this about Patrick and a lot of journalists from that time, so his generation, and that is, they didn't, unlike a lot of journalists now, they don't put mayonnaise on it.

[00:22:56] wayne: You know, it's not sensationalism, it's not being a shock jock, he [00:23:00] wasn't a shock jock. Um, which we have a lot of now and, you know, a lot, a lot of, um, well, a lot of things have written and said that are just nowhere near the truth. It's their, it's what they consider to be the truth, which is generally nowhere near it.

[00:23:14] wayne: But he's one that I think, you know, called a spade a shovel, um, you know, fearless in how he went about it, which made me think a little bit about the guys that, yeah. So 

[00:23:25] ayrton: did you have guys that you, you, you spoke to on the 

[00:23:27] wayne: regular basis, or, well, they were just guys you that you liked, you know, and there were guys, you know, and there were.

[00:23:34] wayne: Probably plenty that you didn't. Did they have your number back then? So now, No, well when I was, no, I had a lot of nice things, um, written. In actual fact, a lot of journalists have written I think over exaggerated some of the things I've done on the football field. So, 

[00:23:47] ayrton: But now, for instance, journalists, there's a different era.

[00:23:50] ayrton: Now, players are heavily media managed. Journalists would not ring players up. But back then when players might have had jobs initially or when footy was only just becoming professional, were [00:24:00] people ringing you for information or? But to clarify something, or was it by then that was already out 

[00:24:06] wayne: of, out of it?

[00:24:07] wayne: I don't know. I think a lot of footballers, and still today, it's like it's ingrained in us not to like journalists. Yeah. We trust. Yep. We don't trust journalists. We just, we, we think that if we say something, then it's, it's going to get, you know, misrepresented, uh, misquoted, whatever. Don't, you'll put your spin on it.

[00:24:31] wayne: And then the other thing is the headline that they put with it would have, has nothing to do with what you've actually said in the article or in the conversation. So, so it did bring me back. Guys like Scotty Palmer. He was a, he was just a lovable guy that everyone, I think, loved speaking to. I don't think there would have been a player that didn't mind.

[00:24:49] ayrton: So Keep On Punchin that was his, um, that was 

[00:24:51] wayne: his go to, wasn't it? Yes, Mike Sheehan, Mike Sheehan is, is the godfather of, in my opinion, all journalists. He's like the print [00:25:00] journo, he's the Bruce McIvaney of print. Yep. For me. Yep. Um, and. I don't think many people would argue that. And, and, and you just had a trust around Mike.

[00:25:10] wayne: There's another guy, a little bit obscure, he's more of a cricket writer that I, I always, uh, liked, was Ken Peace. Kenny Peace, yeah. Kenny Peace. 

[00:25:18] ayrton: Yeah. Had a bit to do 

[00:25:19] wayne: with him early on. You just trusted him. Yep. And that's, and that's a word that, you know, you don't associate. Lovely 

[00:25:25] ayrton: guy. Very enthusiastic guy.

[00:25:27] ayrton: And yeah, loves his cricket. Absolutely. He's written a lot of cricket 

[00:25:29] wayne: books. He has. He has. So better known for cricket. But he was a, he was a lovely, uh, lovely man. So anyway, condolences to Patrick Smith and his family. Um, he made a big contribution to our game. Absolutely. 

[00:25:42] ayrton: Speaking of, uh, cricket there, good segue, uh, unplanned, but, um, we, we've watched Glenn Maxwell's last few weeks.

[00:25:52] ayrton: He's initially falling off the back of the golf cart and maybe raising a few eyebrows there. Into the most crazy double [00:26:00] hundred. Um, you've, you've had a bit to do, you've crossed paths with Glenn haven't you? 

[00:26:05] wayne: Uh, I have. I, uh, played golf with him actually. He's a brilliant golfer. 

[00:26:10] ayrton: Yeah, he's a, he's a, he's a going a bit like 

[00:26:12] wayne: Ricky Ponting.

[00:26:13] wayne: He's got that cross. It's at an absolute mile, he does. I mean, he actually played at cricket innings like he was playing golf. Yeah. That's what, you know, he's hand eyes as good as any, any ones I think that we've seen. Um, you know, guys like Gilchrist and these guys that can, you know, really hit a ball.

[00:26:33] wayne: Matty Hayden when he was in form. But just, just the way, even the way he was standing because of the cramps and then just flicking it. And, you know, Yeah. 

[00:26:43] ayrton: Freakish. Yeah. Insane talent. I mean, hand eye coordination for that. Like I try and hit a single on the weekend and you barely get bat on ball and he's just hitting blocks.

[00:26:53] wayne: What'd you make on the weekend? I made eight. Oh, so you made five and eight. It was, it was. So you, no, [00:27:00] I remember. You made five and eight. Is there a 

[00:27:02] ayrton: more frustrating sport than cricket? Oh, like. Well, 

[00:27:05] wayne: not if you're making 

[00:27:05] ayrton: tonnes. Yeah. Okay. So you just, you just went out and whacked tonnes every week, did 

[00:27:10] wayne: you?

[00:27:11] wayne: Well, when I played kill or force, I, I, yeah. Yeah. 

[00:27:14] ayrton: I was, what frustrated me the most is, and it's always like this when you play cricket I reckon, so I'd, uh, What number are you 

[00:27:21] wayne: by the way? What number batsmen? I'm anywhere between three and five. Probably time you got dropped down the order. No, but, come on, you can't have that sort of form.

[00:27:29] wayne: In actual fact, maybe even dropped, full stop. 

[00:27:31] ayrton: Well, 34 in the first week, so that's maybe holding me on. I was, the, the, the opening bowlers who I thought were bowling quite well, uh, were just getting towards the end of their spells. And this opening bowler had two balls left in his spell when he got me. The next over, this little offspinner's come on, bowlin half trackers.

[00:27:51] wayne: Excuse me. A little sneeze. 

[00:27:52] ayrton: Bowlin half trackers. Bless you, duck. It was time for, it was time for me to feast, and I was, I was out. Not as bad as, so, [00:28:00] in, in our actually third grade on the weekend, it was a tie, so, very rare in cricket. We needed 16 One of the guys hit 6 4 6, needed two off two, single. Um, final ball.

[00:28:10] ayrton: So he snuck a tie. Final ball, um, Bezo, good man he is. One of the elder statesmen of the team. He'd be upset with this. He would have had a few sleepless nights. He just needed to get bat on ball. So he 

[00:28:22] wayne: wasn't the one that hit 

[00:28:23] ayrton: all the runs? No, then he's got the single and he's on strike. He just needs to get bat on.

[00:28:27] ayrton: Just don't get out. Don't get out. And unfortunately, he got bowled in the bottom of the next double. So we thought we were going to pull off this most amazing victory. Not as bad as the Sunshine Coast threes on the weekend. I saw this on Twitter last night. I could not believe it. So they were cruising, um, they were like four for 170 something.

[00:28:47] ayrton: I was trying to find the scorecard before, but I haven't been able to find it. But anyway, they needed one run. One run to tight, um, two to win. They lost six for none. Six for none. Six wickets [00:29:00] in and over. It was five first ballers. So, five first ballers. 

[00:29:04] wayne: That's got to be a record. Unbelievable. So, five golden 

[00:29:08] ayrton: ducks.

[00:29:08] ayrton: Correct. So, this bloke has come in and, and just tore my butt off. It, it got me thinking about biggest sporting collapses and I wish I'd given you some notice on this. It did make me think of one sporting collapse. Just came to my attention, just my mind straight away. Oh, here 

[00:29:26] wayne: we go. 

[00:29:27] ayrton: What, the 98 grand final?

[00:29:28] ayrton: No, not the 98 grand final. It did involve North 

[00:29:31] wayne: Melbourne. Oh yes, against the Bombers. Yeah. I didn't play. Yeah, I know you said that. Yeah, but if I'd 

[00:29:37] ayrton: played, that wouldn't have happened. Phenomenal game that one. I think it was like 170 to 100. 

[00:29:42] wayne: Huge game. Yeah, biggest comeback ever. 

[00:29:45] ayrton: Yeah, so sorry. I just, I like bringing those little ones in there, seeing as you like getting into Essendon from time to time.

[00:29:52] ayrton: Um, got a bit of feedback? Um, obviously saw in the Herald Sun your underbelly links and your, [00:30:00] um, your kittens, baby cats reference. I did get a few messages from blokes who occasionally try and sneak in there saying, fancy talking about that on air. What are you, like, what are you blowing my cover for, you blokes?

[00:30:12] ayrton: And yeah, the missus will be, yeah. This Wanko. I saw Ducket Kittens twice in about 2018. The first time he was spastic drunk, he had a babysitter who had to keep him outta trouble, and he nearly got in a fight. Uh, mind you, it was 1:00 AM on a Friday. Uh, and he, well, he got in a fight and he'd done Friday night footy.

[00:30:31] ayrton: The next time on a Tuesday, he turned up there and we're having a good chat, and he redeemed himself. 

[00:30:36] wayne: Stop exaggerating, , please. 

[00:30:39] ayrton: Did you ever, do you have, mind her, back in the day? Did you, did you have, mind her. 

[00:30:43] wayne: Oh, it's probably a mate. Oh yeah. So the club. That's what mates do. They look after 

[00:30:47] ayrton: you. So North Melbourne would have never gone, you need a chaperone, Wayne, when you.

[00:30:51] ayrton: I wouldn't have thought so. I've noticed over in the US they do that with some guys. Yeah. They send them out. I 

[00:30:56] wayne: probably should have 

[00:30:57] ayrton: had. Uh, this is from Peter [00:31:00] H. Uh, on Pikey, your man Martin Pike, last man to win the club BNF at Fitzroy. Many, many stories surrounding this one of a kind player, dot, dot, dot, and you know when you get the dot, dot, dots, there's always a bit of a suggestion of some shenanigans.

[00:31:13] ayrton: Well, he'll be on next year. Yeah, so I really look forward to that. We're already working on a guest list for next year and Martin Pike is very, very close to the top. Still, just on kittens, sorry, I had one more. Just from Simon. Great podcast, guys, on the kitten subject. It is said it is easy to ask for forgiveness.

[00:31:31] ayrton: And permission. So, 

[00:31:35] wayne: in other words, go. 

[00:31:36] ayrton: So in other words, go. So I think, um, I think that's good. I think that's good advice. Maybe advice that you've followed in the past, I would say, at different times. We thank everyone, um, for the year who's written in. We've had some amazing feedback, 

[00:31:52] wayne: haven't we, Wayne? You know, when we started this, we didn't really know what, uh, we didn't really know what we were doing.

[00:31:58] wayne: Did we, that's why [00:32:00] we, uh, those 

[00:32:00] ayrton: first episodes were, were not really podcasting. This is back 

[00:32:03] wayne: to Well, no. That, no, that's why we, and that's why we, uh, you know, we're, uh, torched. Um, we've done, uh, an amazing job. 

[00:32:10] ayrton: Yeah. So we've got Ben, uh, here at the moment, who's done a great job with all the technical stuff, and he's taken on a bigger role also, uh, Brandon.

[00:32:16] ayrton: Brandon, who was really enthusiastic in getting this off the ground. Yep. So we think both of those guys. Who had played a 

[00:32:22] wayne: huge role. Terry and Vicky, obviously, who played a role as well. So, uh, Torched have been right behind us. And what we have been surprised, um, massively with is the numbers. 

[00:32:36] ayrton: I didn't, I didn't think this many people would want to listen to you to be honest.

[00:32:41] wayne: Well we didn't really, we just had no idea. But you, you've gone and had a look. I, I've never watched a show back. I've never, I've never listened, um, to a show back. I don't, I'm not that, uh, guy. Um, I've never watched. Yeah, I probably have watched a couple of [00:33:00] games. No, people have put on YouTube before, I've seen myself in a few highlights.

[00:33:06] wayne: But, but I've never watched a TV show. Just before we get to that. I noticed a few people put up. Uh, on my Twitter during the week about when I was on Perfect Match. Yes, that came up again, yeah. Yeah, um, and with the headline, uh, me predicting my future. The thing that a lot of people don't know is I actually won the date.

[00:33:30] wayne: Yes. She picked number two. And do you know why she picked number two? Why? She had a mum in the crowd. Oh yes, I remember. No. Say, pick number two, pick number two. Yes, I remember. 

[00:33:40] ayrton: Um. Do you think, just on watching highlights, do you think that if someone now has a good game, if Jack Ginniven has a good game? Do you reckon he goes home and watches it all?

[00:33:50] ayrton: Why do you always use Jack 

[00:33:50] wayne: as an example? Because 

[00:33:52] ayrton: he was one we mentioned, 

[00:33:53] wayne: um, earlier. I think there's, there would be plenty of players that would play a good game and be the, you know what [00:34:00] happens? Well, I'll tell you what, this is what happens. When they play a good game, they're the first one in there looking at their video with one of the coaches.

[00:34:06] wayne: Oh yeah, yeah. They're the first one in there. When they play not such a good game, they're probably not so 

[00:34:11] ayrton: quick to be. So you have great access to Vision now, and even just with KO or whatever, you can go back and watch the game as soon as you get home. So you're telling me, I mean you probably had less access to 

[00:34:21] wayne: it.

[00:34:22] wayne: I never went home and watched. What do you mean? I was, I was straight out. I never went home. 

[00:34:29] ayrton: After a game. That's 

[00:34:30] wayne: a fake, it's a fake. Well, it's not a fair call. It's the truth. 

[00:34:34] ayrton: Yes, and in fairness, you've got it in your, you've got it in your mind. Yeah. You would have been pretty happy with yourself. Anyway, we're just on some of the numbers.

[00:34:42] ayrton: We don't want to give away all our secrets in terms of our data, but Um, this surprised me when we had a look at Uh, the sort of aggregated data for the year, so more than 600, 000 individual downloads slash um, views on Apple, Spotify, [00:35:00] and YouTube this year, which, um, that's, that's a fair bit, more than half a million.

[00:35:04] ayrton: Then on places like TikTok, where we send out these little, these little bites, your headline grabbers, so to speak, more than 4 million. Views on TikTok. I was astounded by that. And that's not even counting all the other socials that torched have got us on. The guys there, Ben and Brandon. So, uh, yeah, it's, 

[00:35:24] wayne: it's been bigger.

[00:35:25] wayne: Bigger, well, it's, it's been good. So we, we do have a, we do seem to have a loyal. listening base now, which is, which is awesome. Um, I've had a lot of fun doing it, uh, this year. And, like I said, we've got to call out a few, uh, dingbats. Yes. You know, have just, uh, made stuff up and we've got to, uh, talk about plenty of things and, um, show a side of us that, um, I guess you weren't able to show when you were on different media formats and that was a part of, that was a part of doing it.

[00:35:59] wayne: And we've, [00:36:00] we've, I've seriously had a lot of fun and there hasn't been one Monday where I've actually, unlike yourself, where I've felt, Oh, I've got to go and do that again today. So we're going to have a little break and, but we will be, we're definitely, uh, coming back next year. So. to that. Um, and as we said, everyone had torched.

[00:36:19] wayne: Um, it's, it's been quite amazing, but we do have a little bit of, um, other content coming up. Um, we've, I'm having a chat to Sean Wallace, uh, from the GBS about, um, men's health, uh, suicide, uh, a few things coming up. We've got some really good, um, charity events. in and around that space. A few walks, uh, nine hour walks in different cities and things like that because there are nine suicides a day.

[00:36:49] ayrton: And we've also got your, uh, documentary, your mini doco you've been working on too. Yeah, 

[00:36:53] wayne: well I, when I had my shoulder done, ah, Ben was kind enough, ah, Ben from TORCH, who we've just discussed, was kind [00:37:00] enough to, ah, come in and film the gory operation and put together a really cool little, ah, documentary about, I guess, You know, the pros and cons of playing AFL footy and then the end result of having a shoulder replacement and it's come up really well.

[00:37:17] wayne: So, um, we'll put that out over the next couple of weeks. Certainly 

[00:37:20] ayrton: look forward to that. Well, to all our listeners and viewers, thanks again for tuning in. Uh, it's been a pleasure and we hope to see you soon on the truth hurts duck.