Season 1 - EP #45 - kittens yes or no? underbelly, mushrooms and more

Season 1 - EP #45 - kittens yes or no? underbelly, mushrooms and more

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Episode #45

[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, we're back for another episode of The Truth Hurts. Sun's out, guns out today, Ducky. We're, we're just, I'm actually peeling, I'm 

[00:00:05] Wayne: peeling a little bit. Sometimes, uh, maybe you should just give me a call and ask me what you're wearing, because I've actually got a grey tee and a black hat on today. The sun is out.

[00:00:14] Wayne: How good is Melbourne? Doesn't, isn't Melbourne alive at the moment? Yeah. You know, the weather, the weather's been turned on, beautiful day on, uh, on Derby Day. Let's not, let's not talk about Saturday. It's going to be 

[00:00:26] Ayrton: a beautiful, I'm still a bit upset about how Saturday turned out, to be honest. Well, I'm 

[00:00:31] Wayne: a little bit upset myself, 

[00:00:33] Ayrton: actually.

[00:00:35] Ayrton: So Saturday morning, you've given me a call, um, I was out of bed, uh, actually, which is unusual because I think it was before nine o'clock, but, um. You called me up and offered me a spot in the marquee on Derby Day and I 

[00:00:50] Wayne: turned it down. You weren't the only one. You're about 10th on my list. I did think, I did think, I wonder how many votes he's called before he's got the first.

[00:00:59] Wayne: You were the first. [00:01:00] No, I had a, uh, I did happen to have a spare ticket, uh, in one of the great Matty Hill, uh, they do a great job. thing in the, on the winning post there. Great event. Uh, right. Big balcony overlooks the track and yep, you were, you were, uh, well, you were at the top of my list, about 10th. 

[00:01:17] Ayrton: So for our listeners and or viewers, um, some context, I am playing a very low standard 

[00:01:23] Wayne: of cricket at the moment.

[00:01:24] Wayne: You've gone straight from D grade footy to D grade cricket. Yeah. Yes. And you, and you can't bat or bowl. And 

[00:01:33] Ayrton: I'm not, and I'm, anyway, I'm a worse cricketer than I am a footballer as well, yeah. So, I felt, because it was the day of the game, that I felt a little bit bad. But I, I did consult with a few mates and say, What do you reckon, they're going to go to the races for sure.

[00:01:46] Ayrton: And they said, as soon as you turn down the king, you're definitely not making any 

[00:01:50] Wayne: runs tonight. Probably, uh, yeah, oh. And what'd you make? I got 

[00:01:54] Ayrton: five. 

[00:01:54] Wayne: Oh! So I was... You turned down a whole day for that. So 

[00:01:58] Ayrton: I got out at about, I [00:02:00] reckon, so the game started at 12, I got out at about ten to one. So, I could have probably come after, I bet.

[00:02:07] Ayrton: And from then on, all I could think about was what you were doing in the marquee. 

[00:02:11] Wayne: Um, it was, you know, it was great because it was such a beautiful day. You go in and out and you, you know, it was, it was an absolute perfect day other than the fact that it was very hard to back a winner. But it's an interesting time, this time of year, you've obviously got a lot going on and this, you've got to, you've got to pace yourself.

[00:02:29] Wayne: I'll tell you what, like there's so many different little things going on. Your weekends have been... You've had all sorts of shenanigans. 

[00:02:37] Ayrton: I have had a bit on. I was actually at a Bucks day yesterday. Before we move on from the racing though, and you talk about losing on the punt, and I've got to make an apology to a few mates of mine.

[00:02:46] Ayrton: Um, they did tell me that I left it out of last week's show when I should have mentioned it. I got a tip from a bloke at the footy club. He rarely posts tips in the group, but generally, you know, he gets them pretty close. Um, [00:03:00] if a tip... Misses, you know, you accept that that happens, but, um, I've told him this horse.

[00:03:07] Ayrton: I've actually accidentally told them the wrong horse. Oh, you're kidding me. So that, and I thought, oh, he's tipped. He didn't win because the wrong horse wins. His tip hadn't won. No, he, then I started seeing these messages in the footy chat, all the blokes at Yahoo and are going, great tip, great tip, whereas my mates are down in the dumps and I've given them, I've, so the right, the horse that he tipped won.

[00:03:27] Ayrton: But I. Ought to pay. It paid 5. 50. These blokes, they worked it out. They said I cost them between about four of them about twelve or thirteen hundred dollars. Understandably upset. Um, I did go to a Bucks day yesterday out at the Warrandyte, the Grand Hotel out in Warrandyte, out in the sticks actually. My cousin's Bucks, very casual affair.

[00:03:44] Ayrton: Um, good afternoon. 

[00:03:47] Wayne: It is, yeah, so what, do you have to, you know, dress up or, are they, are those days gone? Well, 

[00:03:53] Ayrton: it's a, it's an interesting question. He was there in shorts and thongs, I think it was a deliberate ploy so that he didn't... 

[00:03:58] Wayne: Oh, he couldn't get dragged out. Couldn't get 

[00:03:59] Ayrton: [00:04:00] dragged out, but even... There was not much placed on him in terms of drinking expectations either.

[00:04:05] Ayrton: I tried to ramp that 

[00:04:06] Wayne: up a little bit. Oh, those days. If it's your buck show, you've got to, you've got to have a little bit of a crack with, with the boys, don't you? 

[00:04:13] Ayrton: Yeah, yeah, and he did. I, I spoke to him this morning. He said he, he said he had a spew 

[00:04:17] Wayne: last night. Even the, even the hens party you see these days, they're a lot more tame.

[00:04:22] Wayne: They're a bit more classy now. They don't, you know, they don't necessarily get... All dressed up and carries, you know, certain toys and all that sort of stuff around and No 

[00:04:32] Ayrton: one's getting plant 

[00:04:32] Wayne: wrapped to the bloody, um Or, yeah, yeah, chained, chained to a Stobie Pole or a Telegraph Pole if you're, if you're from Victoria.

[00:04:39] Wayne: Stobie Pole, South Australia, by the way. Yeah, okay. Spent a little bit of time there. It does bring up, so I've, you know, had Derby Day, but before Derby Day, I had a lunch at La Maro's, which is just around the corner here. Great pub. Uh, fantastic food and got the boardroom because I had a heap of guys coming down from, um, [00:05:00] Queensland.

[00:05:00] Wayne: Now, knew some of the guys, obviously, because I'd organised for them to go there, but the other half of the group, I didn't know. So we, we get into the boardroom. And sit around and, and, you know, the guys, you know, they're, they're in a state and, and given that you're just coming off of bucks, this leads beautifully into this topic because just down the road from, um, La Marra is a place.

[00:05:26] Wayne: A lot of, a lot of people call baby cats and the reason why they call it baby cats is because they don't want to say kittens. It's code. Yeah. Yeah. They don't want to say kittens. So they say baby cats because then people don't know what they're talking about. Although everyone... Gentleman's establishment.

[00:05:39] Wayne: There's a few, there's a few, um, people that talk about this quite a bit, even on radio and they, but they say baby cats and people don't. Anyway, it's kittens. It's a strip joint and there's a lot of strip joints around, um, but kittens is just down the road. And. It brought up a topic, so all of these business guys, they're all middle aged men, [00:06:00] majority of them married, most of them twice, but was sitting around and I went around the room and said, and this is why I like buckshows, so for instance, a common, the common theme is your, your wife or your partner or girlfriend, whatever you want to, or whatever your status is.

[00:06:18] Wayne: Um. What are the provisions for you to be allowed to go to a, to a strip club? And maybe there's one strip club that you're not allowed to go to because it's a little bit different to another strip club or whatever. Now I find that, um, kittens or baby cats, if you want to call it, I find that it's, it's like a bar.

[00:06:36] Wayne: So, You. That's how you, that's how you're, uh, well, it's more like, more like a bar for me in terms of, you know, other traditional, um, strip clubs. So, you know, you can stand around and just have a drink. It doesn't mean you have to go and, um, get dances or you don't have to sit down and watch dances or anything like that.

[00:06:55] Wayne: It's, you can stand around and, and, and chat with a mate, for instance. Um, [00:07:00] so, the topic came up and it was okay, so if you're at a Bucks show, obviously most guys are allowed to go. Now... Sometimes under duress and not overly, your partner, not overly happy, but yes. So I went around the room and, and got a consensus from everyone and it's amazing how many, how many guys go.

[00:07:21] Wayne: I said, so you're allowed, uh, not allowed. But I go. Yes. Okay. So there's not telling. Not telling. Um, which means generally you're in a state rule. Yeah. Okay. 

[00:07:32] Ayrton: So then if you get found out, then you're 

[00:07:34] Wayne: in even more trouble. Oh, you're in more. Yeah. You're in trouble. Because if you're up front. Then there's, so not allowed to go, then guys, then other, you know, yes, uh, 100 percent allowed to go.

[00:07:43] Wayne: No, would never go because, you know, um, told not to. So it just brought up this, it's a fascinating conversation because. I think, you know, it gets a lot of people into, it gets a lot of, uh, you know, relationships into trouble [00:08:00] because, you know, guys get sucked into, to going and, and it's amazing how quickly you go down to, to line up and as you know, I'm, I don't line up there, I'm, I'm straight, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm straight in.

[00:08:16] Wayne: You know, taking them in there for an experience. Oh, so that's why you were doing... But it's amazing, I was working. Yeah, 

[00:08:24] Ayrton: yeah, okay, I understand. 

[00:08:25] Wayne: And it's, and it's amazing, um, it's amazing when you're walking in and you, and you, you see the guys in the line lining up to get in. And the amazing how many are standing there going, oh yeah, this is going to be a great box.

[00:08:38] Wayne: You can tell they're not on a box. But they're actually saying they're on a buck, so yeah, happy birthday mate, yeah, it's not, it's not his birthday. So you're all in there, there's just, and, and you know, there's, there's some guys, you see guys, you know, they're hiding in the corner, and other guys, it's, it, it is, if you want to people watch, The psychology of it.

[00:08:58] Ayrton: It is fascinating. [00:09:00] So you reckon there's a few blokes that are a 

[00:09:01] Wayne: little uneasy in there. It's, oh, it's, and, and what I, because, um, I'm allowed to go. Will you bring it 

[00:09:09] Ayrton: up or not? Eh? Would you bring 

[00:09:11] Wayne: it, do you bring, do you? Oh, I say, if I'm, if I'm going there, I'm taking people there or, you know, so if it is a corporate thing and they, and you know, guys want adult entertainment, then.

[00:09:21] Wayne: you know, I've, I've taken them. So, so it's not a problem. So when I go in and, and, you know, guys obviously see that you're in, oh, duck, you know, and, and say that you're not carrying the corner and, and you say others that are, I just find it. I do. I, I actually, I actually love it. And if you come home, the other part of it is, you know, you're not, you know, you know, you're not doing all that wrong if you come home and you've got drink cards left in your pocket as well.

[00:09:49] Wayne: I came home, I had nine drink cards still in my pocket. 

[00:09:52] Ayrton: Surely you could have handed them to someone. 

[00:09:54] Wayne: Well I, if I'd, if I'd... Remembered that they were there Probably would have given him [00:10:00] out and home before midnight. So it was a you know, it was good And also this is what you did 

[00:10:03] Ayrton: post races on set 

[00:10:05] Wayne: post races on Friday night off Friday night Okay, so I had to like I said, it was a business Had to and and and got a phone call the next day from four of the the guy and said had a an absolute Um, ripping night.

[00:10:18] Wayne: So 

[00:10:18] Ayrton: now if their partners happen to be listening to the Truth Thirst, they know 

[00:10:22] Wayne: they've got the Truth Thirst. Well that's why I didn't mention any names. They've got the baby caps on the front page. And they don't know that they're with me. But it does bring up, and I've got, I've got, um, relatives, best mates, that all vary.

[00:10:35] Wayne: Some allowed to go, some definitely, you know, not, not allowed within 100 metres. So, it is, I do find it fascinating, and I also find it fascinating and I also ask their partner, like why, and you know, everyone has a different reason why they don't want their partner or, or their partner is allowed to go to these particular venues, but I do, I just find it interesting.

[00:10:58] Ayrton: Yeah, I can't, I can't remember the last [00:11:00] time. I may, it was something that maybe when I was, you know, young and from Tassie coming over to the mainland that you might, when you're 18 or 19 as a more mature adult, 

[00:11:08] Wayne: perhaps not, not. So, anyway, anyway, I just, I just thought it was, uh, so, so 

[00:11:14] Ayrton: you were, are you a, a regular customer?

[00:11:16] Ayrton: No, 

[00:11:17] Wayne: no, I'm not. Semi. Regular. Semi. 

[00:11:22] Ayrton: Semi regular. Yes. So they know. They know. Work. Work wise. Yeah. All work. Yeah. I can imagine that. Well, speaking of work, I was, um, back on the tools, so to speak, on the weekend. Made a little sneaky TV return, if I'm going to pump myself up. 

[00:11:38] Wayne: What? How does that work? Are you?

[00:11:40] Wayne: What's that, an assignment? You get, you just get called up and you're allowed to... 

[00:11:44] Ayrton: Well, I, I actually need to start earning a little bit more money at some point after having about six months off this year, aside from the Truth Hurts. Uh, so yeah, I've just said I'm available for the odd shift. But I ended up doing, um, some crosses on the, this [00:12:00] mushroom story, 

[00:12:01] Wayne: which is...

[00:12:02] Wayne: Oh Jesus, we've, we've, uh, Truth Hurts has gone AWOL. I know, I know this is... We've gone AWOL this week. We've gone from baby cats to kittens to mushrooms. 

[00:12:14] Ayrton: It's a fascinating story and I don't want to trivialise it because obviously people have passed away. Now the lady involved, Erin Patterson is her name, it's alleged, um, well she's been charged with three counts of murder and five of attempted murder from effectively poisoning these people is what police are alleging.

[00:12:36] Ayrton: It's... It's, the media attention on this is, like I got a call yesterday, someone from the Daily Mail in the UK needs someone on the ground to help them out, um, over here. The press from everywhere are just converging on the story. Yeah, it's like, it's, it's, it's world news for, for whatever reason, 

[00:12:52] Wayne: I think. I haven't, uh, yeah, I, I mean I don't watch a lot of news these days, I find it very, uh, incredibly, [00:13:00] Depressing, to be honest, with what's going on around the world.

[00:13:03] Wayne: Yeah. Um, and also down at, uh, Daylesford yesterday. Yeah, shocking. Like, how sad is all of that? I mean, the news just is really, really depressing. But, are you saying, mate, that this is getting world coverage? 

[00:13:13] Ayrton: I know the BBC and a whole lot of other, uh, networks were out there too. And now they're planning about being here for, uh, potential trial that may happen in the new year.

[00:13:23] Ayrton: So police are now, you know, poring over all the, you know, computer and search history and all that sort of thing. So... Bizarre story. Bizarre story, and again, not to trivialise it, but I... I 

[00:13:34] Wayne: don't know too much about it, so what she's picked poisonous, I don't know, allegedly picked poisonous mushrooms. So there's these 

[00:13:41] Ayrton: death cap mushrooms, um...

[00:13:43] Ayrton: They just grow in the field. Supposedly, I mean, I don't know where they come from, but you can't go and buy them, you don't go and buy them at the shop. Uh, there was a beef Wellington dish served at a family luncheon at a property in Langatha in July. [00:14:00] Um, her in laws, um, got really sick straight away, went to hospital, and they passed away in hospital.

[00:14:07] Ayrton: Um, her estranged husband has had, um, health issues in the past, which police are now alleging are related to this as well. The thing was, she, she ate at the luncheon, and her, her kids were, But they didn't get sick, so it's, it's, that's where the... Yeah. Yeah, so it's, it is a, it is a bizarre story, and one that, yeah, that's going to play out on, I know it's some interesting crossover on the, on the True Thirds, but I, yeah, it did get me, it did get me thinking about your, different, different sort of bizarreness with you, but you, you've, you've always been on the edge of some strange stories, haven't you?

[00:14:44] Wayne: No, the, the... You asked me just before, um, well, has there ever been, you know, something strange or a story, um, involving the media and, and probably the, one of the strangest is [00:15:00] I used to live about 50 meters, a hundred meters from, um, the Morants. So Jason and Mark and Lewis lived, you know, so they were basically neighbours.

[00:15:11] Wayne: So I didn't, and, and this has been. spoken about before, and I think there was a headline I gave, um... Uh, character evidence for, for Jason, um, as a neighbor, because I saw it, I saw a change in him as a neighbor. So everyone thought that we were, you know, mates and all that, which we weren't, but I knew, I knew them, um, just through driving past and them pulling me up and talking and running into them at the supermarket or 

[00:15:36] Ayrton: whatever.

[00:15:37] Ayrton: And you obviously knew at that stage their, their reputation. That was the whole thing. No, 

[00:15:40] Wayne: well, I, no, I didn't. Oh, you didn't. I, I had no, I had, and I know people say, oh, you know, crap. Yeah. But I, at that particular time, I had no idea. Yeah. Um. And, and, to be honest, saw a change in Jason at the time, like, you know, like from when, I think he, um, you [00:16:00] know, he'd pull me up in the car and he'd, you know, be, be, been on the drink or whatever, and then all of a sudden, you know, I didn't see him for a little while, then the next time I saw him he was a, he seemed like a completely different person.

[00:16:11] Wayne: So that's what I, um, spoke about when I was asked to do it, through a mate, who was mates with, uh, with, The Moran. So, um, one of the more bizarre things. Then the Underbelly underbelly series came out, and so this was the first one. And now at this stage, obviously I know a little bit about the story, but had the, uh, the uh, uh, director, or maybe it wasn't the director, but whoever was doing the, the, uh, you know, the series, um, knock on my door and give me a script and wanted me to play myself.

[00:16:47] Wayne: In the Underbelly series. So this is the most bizarre. Yeah. One of the most bizarre things. 

[00:16:54] Ayrton: You, you had a look at the script and what, 

[00:16:55] Wayne: and you just... Well, I had a look at the script and it was basically, [00:17:00] um, Yeah, they'd obviously heard that, you know, we're neighbours, so they knew that there was... And, the, read the script, I, I didn't say no straight away.

[00:17:07] Wayne: I thought I'll read, read it and see, you know, what this is going to make me look like. Yeah. Or not look like. So, the script was basically that, uh, Jason knocked on the door. And I answered the door and he's not happy with me for some reason. I can't, I'd, I'd, you know, I'd be lying if I knew he remembered exactly.

[00:17:29] Wayne: But basically he... Uh, pulls out a, a gun and, and puts it to the, and, and threatens me and I get down and go, no, no, no. And I cower and I think, nah, I'm not playing. Well, cause it didn't make you look hard. So you're like. Well, it made me look, you know. I mean, don't get me wrong. You, you'd obviously would do that if someone did that, but I, yeah, I read the script.

[00:17:49] Wayne: I said, this, you know, maybe if I just grabbed the gun off him and, You know, did Kung Fu or something, and, you know, Steve Segal moved, and, you know, you bet it's, 

[00:17:58] Ayrton: it was a very... [00:18:00] Did you do it if maybe I don't have to do it? No, 

[00:18:01] Wayne: no, I didn't. I, I read the, I just thought, no, this makes me look, you know, really weak.

[00:18:07] Wayne: So even though you would do that, if that was the case. 

[00:18:10] Ayrton: In your life, you would cross paths with all manner of people. And so, but at the time, as... Was the, the, the underbelly war, as, um, gangland war as we know it, was It 

[00:18:23] Wayne: wasn't in, it wasn't in the peak of it then. Yeah, and so... At the starting though, I think.

[00:18:27] Ayrton: When you were, when you were living there. So for you it wasn't, it was not concerns for you 

[00:18:31] Wayne: at the time? No, no, no. The thing about, the thing about being in Melbourne and being anywhere for that matter is we, you meet, meet people all the time. I'm a big believer in you treat people how they treat you. You don't have a...

[00:18:43] Wayne: You don't have a bio, if someone comes up and says G'day to you, you don't have a bio on them and, you know, know exactly what they don't a lot of people that you don't know. You do, and, and, you know, once again, I certainly don't judge, and, and when you, [00:19:00] meet someone and they come up and they're being nice to you, you don't just go, hang on mate, are you, you don't ask those sorts of questions or get involved in that type of thing.

[00:19:08] Wayne: But yeah, you're always coming across, um, you know, all sorts of characters and, you know. Like I said, I, um, clearly don't judge anyone that I come across. That's for sure. So this, 

[00:19:20] Ayrton: this, uh, confrontation is completely fictitious. There, there was no, he never had an argument or anything like that with No, he nev no

[00:19:27] Ayrton: That would've been a bizarre piece of television to 

[00:19:29] Wayne: have you pop up. I know. And especially plaguing myself. Yeah. . Yeah. Yeah. I, I don't, but this is, this, this show today has just gone everywhere. 

[00:19:38] Ayrton: It has. Well, that's, this is what, this is what we do. I mean this, yeah. 

[00:19:41] Wayne: Not, not as much. No. So that was the most interesting, um.

[00:19:44] Wayne: Yeah, 

[00:19:45] Ayrton: I know. Maybe, maybe it was a clunky segue for me from mushroom ladied into you, but it both equally bizarre. Um, NBA this week, I've been loving the return of the NBA. It's been back for a couple of weeks now, but, I [00:20:00] didn't know if I really believed the hype on this number one draft pick, Victor Wembenyama, so Wemby they call him. Initially, I wondered, is he going to be too slight of frame?

[00:20:10] Ayrton: Initially, is he going to be bullied, you know, out of it? He's 224 centimetres, so 7 foot 4 or something. He's actually now, he's a cheat code, and he's only been, he's only played five games. It's unbelievable what he's, what he's doing. Well 

[00:20:24] Wayne: he's, well he's just tall. 

[00:20:27] Ayrton: And he's, but he's got the skills of a, he's got the skills of a...

[00:20:31] Ayrton: of a six foot three guy. Like he's, he's, what he's 

[00:20:34] Wayne: doing, he's handles, he's got great handles. 

[00:20:36] Ayrton: I like the way you illustrated 

[00:20:38] Wayne: handles in for those. Good handles. 

[00:20:40] Ayrton: He's got good handle. But so he was playing on Kevin Drown at one stage and Kevin Drown's not a small guy. Um, 

[00:20:46] Wayne: he's just under seven foot himself, 

[00:20:48] Ayrton: isn't he?

[00:20:48] Ayrton: Yeah, he'd be, he's definitely over 200 centimeters. So he, he, um, He made him look small, he made him look like a small guard, and you're going, who's this little guy guarding him at the moment? It's Kevin Durant, one of the best players in the league. [00:21:00] He was making him look silly. One thing really tickled my fancy from the NBA this week though was James Harden.

[00:21:05] Ayrton: So he's just been traded. I did hear this. He's just been traded from Philly to the Clippers. And so James Harden, there seems to be a saga that sort of follows him wherever he goes. He's a bit, he's a gun obviously, but he's become a bit of a lauren to himself. So his quote was, um, he felt like he hadn't been getting the freedom that he deserved in, or respect he deserved in Philly.

[00:21:26] Ayrton: When he got to LA he said, I'm not a system player. I am the system. I am the system. 

[00:21:33] Wayne: Not even you would say something like that. No, but that sums up a lot of guys over there and why sometimes when they put... Um, you know, three or four good players in the one team that they don't win a championship because it's all about them and they can't combine as a team and it's why we talk highly of Jordan and others that, that bring teams together, not, not be so individual.

[00:21:58] Wayne: And he's clearly, [00:22:00] he's clearly an individual. So he wants, he wants the ball all the time. He's not prepared to, to, uh, to be that team player and that, yeah, well he's, I don't think he's going to be winning. If, if that's his attitude. 

[00:22:13] Ayrton: It is, it is funny, I heard Ange Poster Coghlan talking about it from a Tottenham point of view.

[00:22:17] Ayrton: In the Premier League, he was saying that there's no point us, you know, because Tottenham's got a little bit of money to spend at the moment. The people were like, well, who do you want to buy? You know, this world class player or that world class player? And he said, well, to be honest, I want, I want role players.

[00:22:31] Ayrton: You want guys that know that they may not get the minutes. But when they're caught upon, they can really impact, uh, you would've, you would've had guys in, even in, well, 

[00:22:40] Wayne: I, I think it's the biggest change, the biggest change in, in sport, in, in modern times the difference between sport now and sport in the nineties.

[00:22:50] Wayne: And so let's go back to the, in, in basketball terms, football terms, whatever you want. Um, and it was individuals could impact. [00:23:00] But then you look now and it is, it is a team game. It is more role players playing their role for your team to invariably be way better. And I think that is the biggest change in, in sport, team sport.

[00:23:14] Wayne: Without, without doubt. And, you know, I think, you know, Jordan's documentary is a great insight into that. I thought Beckham's documentary, great insight into that. As you said, um, Ange, you know, another great example of saying that. I think, you look at Geelong. Geelong lost Gary Ablett Jr., won the Premiership the year after.

[00:23:33] Wayne: So the game's best player. Hawthorne lost Buddy Franklin, won the Premiership years later. If you were to take those players years ago out of the team, if they're their team's best players, I don't think you'd win the Premiership. So that's where I think team sport has definitely, um, well it's definitely better because that's what it is, team.

[00:23:53] Ayrton: Your North Melbourne team of the 90s had a lot of stars, but were there guys... 

[00:23:57] Wayne: Nah, I wouldn't have won anything with them. Nah, I'm [00:24:00] 

[00:24:01] Ayrton: only joking. There would be guys in your team too though who were asked to play less fashionable roles. 

[00:24:06] Wayne: I had... I was lucky enough on Saturday, uh, at the Derby, which you missed, to, uh, have a couple with an old teammate of mine, Martin Pike.

[00:24:16] Ayrton: Oh, Martin Pikey 

[00:24:17] Wayne: was at the races. Pikey, Pikey was at the races. And in the marquee too. He was in the same marquee. He was there with some boys. And was a good, he had a good friend over from Adelaide, Tony, that, uh, Pikey knew from a kid as well. So it was great synergy. He and both of them. Was Pikey? No, he was, no, he was good.

[00:24:36] Wayne: He was, Pikey was being Pikey. I don't mean firing up like... No, no, no, he was, no, he was, he was great. But, talk about one of the great, uh, team, you know, You know, guys that just come in and make a team better. He, he won a flag at North, unlucky not to have won two, then went and won three at Brisbane. And that's what he was, a role player.

[00:24:54] Wayne: He played, he could play centre forward, centre back, wing, on ball. He could play [00:25:00] anywhere, Pikey. And wherever he played, he played well. And intimidated, he, he, he just, really, he's a great story, Pikey. It'd be a good one to get on here, we might get Pikey on the True Thirds. I think we've had a couple of people message and say we've got to get Pikey on.

[00:25:16] Wayne: I think we do. Because I tell you what, he'll um, How many flags has he got? He's got, uh, four. Played in six Grand Finals. Yep. Won four. Pretty, 

[00:25:27] Ayrton: pretty good record. Pretty good record. I know when we had Justin Lepich on too, he had a bit of a smile on his face. Yeah. Well he said 

[00:25:34] Wayne: Pikey runs, you know, a lot of their reunions now, so he gets right behind that.

[00:25:37] Wayne: But he, he would be a great chat. He would tell you, he would tell us stuff that might curl your hair. Which would be difficult. . 

[00:25:47] Ayrton: I did, uh, uh, when I, uh, went on today, Sean Saturday, the first messages I got were from a few mates saying is, is that a hairpiece? Where did, where did, where did that hair come from?

[00:25:58] Ayrton: You did, you didn't have that [00:26:00] hair last week when we were playing up in fire and. Did they, did they do the can? I said, nah, yeah, so it's not, it's not a hair piece. It's, I call it the magic of television. But there's, there's just this little bit of spray on dust that can just give you a bit more volume.

[00:26:14] Ayrton: Volume, nah, I've heard of that. Yes, yeah, you might need some too. Nah, 

[00:26:17] Wayne: mine's, mine's, mine's kick right back in. Oh, 

[00:26:20] Ayrton: you're coming back? 

[00:26:21] Wayne: Yes. I was a bit worried about that. It's sticking up again. No, it's, the mosh is, uh, kicked back in. It's good. 

[00:26:29] Ayrton: Uh, just while we're on footy, um, be remiss, I mean, we spoke about it before it happened.

[00:26:34] Ayrton: It feels like an eternity ago now, but, um, Simon Goodwin's episodes, it turned out you knew he was going overseas, so he pre recorded it with Gary Pert, the interview. Did you catch any of it last week? I 

[00:26:45] Wayne: did. Yep. So we've got a lot of questions about that. And people, I think the most, and I said, you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't.

[00:26:52] Wayne: People have picked holes through it. Um. You know, I think the, probably the question that I've [00:27:00] been asked of it is that he hadn't spoken to Joel Smith. Yeah. That's a... Is that strange, do you think? Um, yeah a little bit strange, but I guess... They're both on holidays, um, so whether that's not, yeah, oh that, that, that bit I found a little bit strange.

[00:27:15] Wayne: I did. Is part of 

[00:27:16] Ayrton: that a coach wanting the player to feel a little bit uncomfortable because he has done something wrong or do you think? 

[00:27:24] Wayne: Well, we don't know what type, I don't know what type of relationship Goody's got with Joel. Or whether that's, you know, because what you've got to remember now, it's not just a senior coach.

[00:27:33] Wayne: You know, the assisting coaches have great relationships with the players and, um, I'm sure that Joel had spoken to. Someone on the coaching staff might have been the senior coach, but that, that was, um, unusual, I thought. He 

[00:27:47] Ayrton: was, he was asked about a whole lot of things from, um, from the gambling stuff, illicit drugs.

[00:27:51] Ayrton: I mean, we spoke about the footy jumper and he explained, explained that scenario in terms of, you know, he didn't really want to sell it. It was something from years ago [00:28:00] and, um, just put a price on it. But, you know. What did it go for? It was up for 20, 000. I don't know if he ended up selling it or not. I'm not sure if he did.

[00:28:08] Ayrton: Um, but, Gary Pert was the, perhaps the more testy part of the interview with, with Gary Lyon. Um, he was talking about Melbourne's culture. Do you think they can, he can honestly say... It's, you know, the best culture he's, he's seen in 40 can he really say that? 

[00:28:25] Wayne: I don't think you can judge one's football culture from incidents that happen outside of the locker room.

[00:28:32] Wayne: So when you look at Max Gorn and Viney and Petrarca and all of these guys that, you know, clearly. really disciplined, unbelievable footballers that go about their craft in a professional manner. So when you're inside those four walls, or you're out training and everything else, then I assume that, you know, some of these, well, some of these mistakes that have been made off the ground would not be involving other Melbourne [00:29:00] players.

[00:29:01] Wayne: So they're not, so, so, by Gary Peart and Melbourne Footy Club saying, we don't think we have a bad culture outside here. They can't control everything that every individual at one's footy club does outside. So that's, I think that's defendable. And I think it does, it is a bit of a slap in the face to the guys like Max Gorn and these guys, um, to say that you, they don't have a good culture.

[00:29:25] Wayne: And culture's a, it's a flippant word that gets thrown around a little bit. Um, when you're winning it, it covers everything up. You know, and, and let's be honest, they have been winning. So, isolated incidents that have, have, uh, come up at a similar time and it is, and it is blown up. And, and, and, you know, the fact that the goodie thing is.

[00:29:46] Wayne: You know, it continually gets brought up, and those three things have just now, what, off the back of that, said, oh, well, you know, this, this place is a rabble. I don't think you win a premiership and then finish top four two years in a row if you, if you don't. And people [00:30:00] will say, well, what about West Coast, and, you know, this and that, and, well, once again, I would argue that West Coast, when they were inside the four walls, Of that football club, one of my, you know, that's pre season training, everything else.

[00:30:12] Wayne: There was a professional, um, attitude and a great culture within. Now, outside, you know, what, what individuals do, they don't have control of. So they're two separate things. So 

[00:30:24] Ayrton: when you're talking about internal culture, we're like sacrificing for teammates or putting in the work or... All of that. Okay. All of the above.

[00:30:31] Ayrton: Yeah. Okay. So there'll be a fascinating watch next year, Melbourne, because there's going to be a whole lot of scrutiny now and... It'll be really interesting to see how they respond, because they've talked a big game. Uh, they've come out and felt the need to, to do this. Um, so, yeah, I look forward to seeing what they, what they can produce next year.

[00:30:47] Ayrton: Just before we exit the footy chat, I saw, we spoke about the potential for matches to be played in Sydney or the northern states early. I saw the Herald Sun report suggesting that [00:31:00] it might be called Round Zero. At least behind the scenes, that's what they were referring it to. These four matches as round zero.

[00:31:07] Ayrton: So round one would stay the same. Now if that, that to me sounds like, if that is true... Stupid. Oh my goodness, what are we doing? What I will say is the AFL is very, very good at... keeping the game in the news by, they drip feed these little bits of information knowing that they're going to cause a bit of a stir, but you know what it means?

[00:31:30] Ayrton: Yeah. Footies on the, and I'm sure, sure you've seen that many a time. Um, over the years. We've got, we've got some viewer questions, uh, for you, Duck. And, and a few of these are actually suggestions for the show, which we might be able to incorporate, um, going forward. So this is from JLRob85. Should do around 10 random topics for Duck to rate as underrated, properly rated or overrated.

[00:31:56] Ayrton: Uh, couple of American channels doing it, it's a good laugh. He's actually listed a [00:32:00] few years, so I'm gonna... I'm going to just throw them at you with no preparation for you, so it's just your first thought. So, um, example one, Ross Lyons coaching record. Underrated. You think it's underrated? Yep. Okay. So there's some big reps on Ross's record and you're saying it's underrated.

[00:32:17] Ayrton: Very interesting. Uh, his second one is 

[00:32:19] Wayne: Under, under, he's underrated as a coach. Yeah, 

[00:32:21] Ayrton: I understand what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, his second one is Eddie McGuire. Underrated. Yeah, Eddie, Eddie cops a bad rap type. He's a star though. He's, he's, when you see He's a very good person. He is, and that's what a lot of people don't see, the work that he puts in behind the scenes.

[00:32:38] Ayrton: I've had a number of times where he's gone out of his way and he didn't 

[00:32:41] Wayne: need to do that. No, he's done a lot of things for a lot of people that he doesn't get, or doesn't even want 

[00:32:46] Ayrton: people to know about. Yep, absolutely. Uh, Bunnings Snags. underrated. I 

[00:32:53] Wayne: think Snag's full stopper underrated. 

[00:32:56] Ayrton: The Bunnings Snag is very good.

[00:32:58] Ayrton: Yeah, because you know 

[00:32:59] Wayne: why? Because they're [00:33:00] just the fatty one and they're the best ones. They 

[00:33:03] Ayrton: really hit the spot. Yeah, my missus is very happy to get a Bunnings Snag when we go in there. An extra reason to go there. JL Rob 85's final, uh, number on, um, underrated, properly rated or overrated. is Mariah Carey.

[00:33:22] Wayne: Oh, I don't know. Well, maybe overrated. I don't know. She's a superstar. I don't think she's sold. You know she's my second cousin.

[00:33:37] Wayne: Have a look at her. No, she's not. 

[00:33:39] Ayrton: You are allowed to say something's overrated. You've gone a bit soft. I said overrated. I don't know.

[00:33:47] Wayne: No idea, I don't listen to a lot of her music. 

[00:33:49] Ayrton: What I will say is I can't guarantee that'll be part of the show going forward, but I did enjoy that 

[00:33:53] Wayne: then. Yeah, she does. I think the only reason, I've heard that she demands things in, you know, [00:34:00] allegedly, demands brooms to be a certain way and things like that.

[00:34:06] Ayrton: Yeah. Not good. I'd be interested to know what your demands are because actually there's a question coming down a little bit further. Here we go. This is from Australians Wayne. Really enjoy your conversation boys. If not already, can you do a segment on ducks, diets, snacks, favorite foods and go to fast foods, cheats and his fitness regime.

[00:34:28] Wayne: We can go through that at some. My favorite. Um, snack is chicken chips. Smith's chicken 

[00:34:35] Ayrton: chips. Oh, chicken chips. That's pretty 

[00:34:38] Wayne: random, yeah. Oh, chicken chips. If 

[00:34:40] Ayrton: you're gonna get some fast, well you don't get hungover, so. Um, 

[00:34:46] Wayne: I don't think you can beat just old fashioned fish and chips. 

[00:34:51] Ayrton: Yeah, okay. Probably pizza for me, but doesn't, the stomach doesn't cope real well with a pizza, so.

[00:34:56] Ayrton: Uh. This is from Shane, who's got another suggestion for the show. [00:35:00] How about the Truth Hurts Weekly Awards, Champ of the Week and Dickhead of the Week? That, that, there's some potential in that too. I reckon we could, I reckon we could find some of that a bit later on. You'd have to, you'd have to grow a bit of sack though if you're going to go Dickhead of the Week.

[00:35:15] Ayrton: Yeah. Not sure how, how Duck would go with that, finding that. Uh, this is on Beastings from Why No Cool Names Left was his handle. You need to be stung a second time, some time after to find out if you're allergic to bees. The first sting primes the immune system. 

[00:35:32] Wayne: Oh, so should I get a bee and stick it on Carter's toe or?

[00:35:35] Wayne: Well, just be 

[00:35:36] Ayrton: wary that even though he was okay the first time. 

[00:35:39] Wayne: Thank you for No, that's good to know. 

[00:35:41] Ayrton: Actually, I do know that's the case with foods as well. We, we've been going through that with our 11 month old, that it's not always the first time you give them the food. 

[00:35:47] Wayne: Oh. So you can have peanut butter first time and you're fine, and then have it the second time and realize you're allergic to p uh, peanuts.

[00:35:53] Ayrton: Yeah, that's, that's my understanding. So you've gotta be interesting. Gotta be careful. 

[00:35:58] Wayne: Uh oh. I'll make sure that [00:36:00] we get a beat of pipe . No, don't get a beat. Just make sure 

[00:36:03] Ayrton: you're there. Okay. This is from Austin Rowe. Firstly, I'd like to mention that I'm a North supporter. Secondly, I can't stand an arrogant comment like that from Dud Riewoldt, who in my opinion owes his life to his cousin Elite Riewoldt.

[00:36:16] Ayrton: It's a bit harsh for making him relevant. A perfect example as to why there's no truth to his comment is Ewain, probably the most highly renowned forward of the game as a North Melbourne Premiership player. P. S. If you ever get in touch, please do us a favor and send the message through to him. Austin. I don't dunno if you'll be delivering that, will you, will you Wayne to Jack or, um, no.

[00:36:38] Ayrton: Well, 

[00:36:39] Wayne: he just did. You just did? 

[00:36:41] Ayrton: Yeah. Well, he's, he's saying if you speak to Jack, he wants you. Oh, 

[00:36:44] Wayne: I'll, I'll, I do see him in person. I'll pass it on. 

[00:36:47] Ayrton: And he's funny because when in, in Tassie, back in the day. There was some talk that Jack was getting a lot of attention, simply because of Nick. He was very flashy as a player, but maybe that time didn't have...

[00:36:58] Wayne: He was the, he [00:37:00] was the, uh, he was the poor cousin. For a, no, for a long time he was the poor cousin and then he won a couple of flags. He got the flags. 

[00:37:11] Ayrton: Draft pick hype is from Heath Wilkie. Harley Reid definitely overhyped. It's not his fault, so feel for him. But he doesn't look as quick as he would need to be to match the significant hype.

[00:37:19] Ayrton: He'll be a good player, but let's see how good. So I think he might be maybe echoing some of your, uh, sentiment. Let's find out. And finally from Dale, uh, Byron Bay is a joke. Had the same issues they wouldn't let us in because we came from a wedding. So the issues blokes one by one last week, uh, being picked off.

[00:37:39] Ayrton: Um. Yes, Dale, we, we, there is some talk that the, the Nines could be held at another venue next year, maybe on the Sunshine Coast, so maybe that'll be a bit kinder to the, 

[00:37:49] Wayne: to the lab. Might, might start up then if we go down there. 

[00:37:52] Ayrton: Yeah, so, um, when, when's the shoulder actually gonna be right? It'll be right by then.

[00:37:57] Ayrton: Yeah, but then we've got to worry about the calves and the, [00:38:00] and everything else. 

[00:38:01] Wayne: We'll be right. If you can get a kick in that league, anyone can. 

[00:38:06] Ayrton: Um, thanks again for all of our listener and viewer comments. There's been some, some really great stuff. Um, if you haven't already listened to You've Done This Week, which, um, by the time this goes to air.

[00:38:19] Wayne: We've had a chat to Greg Hall. Yep. Yep. And Brent Thompson, two, uh, champion jockeys of a little while ago, but, uh, Melbourne Cup winner, uh, Greg Hall and, uh, Brent won four Cox plates on four different horses. Never been done. And it's a very impressive record. Obviously there's been four Cox plates won, but not on different 

[00:38:40] Ayrton: horses.

[00:38:41] Ayrton: Now last week we had a listener question, and I didn't actually remind you of this before the show So I might be throwing you under the bus here. We had a listener question about your Melbourne cup tip Have you got a Melbourne cup tip? 

[00:38:50] Wayne: No, well I, the boys, we've done that on having a chat to the boys. My bad 

[00:38:55] Ayrton: there, my bad I'm gonna have to have a listen to your interview to find [00:39:00] out who you've tipped and then avoid that, like the plague, that horse Good to see you again, Duck.

[00:39:05] Ayrton: Yep. Some interesting Some interesting ground 

[00:39:08] Wayne: this week. I'll tell you what, we went, uh, we went very, uh, obscure today. That's 

[00:39:13] Ayrton: what you gotta do at this time of year. But we're pushing on. So, stay tuned. We've got more to come on the Truth Earth. See you then.