Season 1 - EP #43 - Duck quacks Riewoldt, best race day and happy Halloween

Season 1 - EP #43 - Duck quacks Riewoldt, best race day and happy Halloween 

Duck and Wool talk about Riewoldt's recent comments, Duck's trip to Luna park, how to survive a big sesh and more!

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Episode #43

[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, here we are for another episode of The Truth Hurts and Duck, I know this show's meant to be a little bit about you, but I can't believe we're going to spend a bit of time on me to start. 

[00:00:09] Wayne: I cannot believe this. You look like an absolute clown. What's 

[00:00:13] Ayrton: happened?

[00:00:14] Ayrton: Well, I did feel like a bit funny walking through the car park in my, um, for those who are listening and not can't say I'm wearing my Simon Davis FC. Uh, footy jumper and a medal foot and 

[00:00:25] Wayne: they've got, they've got the Australian colours and why not? So Gary, Gary Ablett senior, number five, 

[00:00:31] Ayrton: obviously, while I do have a few similarities with Gary senior, but not hurdy, not hurdy.

[00:00:36] Ayrton: That's why I wear the number five. 

[00:00:37] Wayne: So what, so what, is that a participation medal you got there? So once everyone. 

[00:00:42] Ayrton: No, no. So, Duck, you've, I've got one over you here. You've, you've won, you've won two flags in your career. Well, this is my third, third Byron AFL Nines, uh, 

[00:00:54] Wayne: premiership. So you won the flag. We won the flag.

[00:00:56] Wayne: He's won it. So that's not a 

[00:00:57] Ayrton: participation medal. No, in the Masters, in the [00:01:00] Masters. Um. 

[00:01:01] Wayne: And what's with the goat hat as well? 

[00:01:03] Ayrton: Well, I know I wore that earlier in the year. I've saved it for today. Oh, you, 

[00:01:06] Wayne: um... So you actually seriously 

[00:01:08] Ayrton: won the flag? Yeah, so it's a great... I know we spoke about it last week. It's a great weekend.

[00:01:12] Ayrton: Normally it's over two days, Friday, Saturday. It was rained out on the Friday, which it 

[00:01:16] Wayne: did... Hang on, isn't... You're not allowed to play in the rain? 

[00:01:19] Ayrton: Well, no, because the ground was pretty much underwater. Um... It did present a few issues for us because you go up there, you have a few drinks, but generally the football is a good distraction during the day.

[00:01:31] Ayrton: On the Friday, it was caught off at 11 o'clock. We were getting ready for our first game. It's raining. What else are you going to do other than go to the pub? Anyway, so we played six games on the Saturday. It does get a bit willing. There is, there was a few AFL players there, Dale Morris. He'd be 

[00:01:45] Wayne: still.

[00:01:47] Wayne: I've played on him 

[00:01:48] Ayrton: for a few minutes and he was just, 

[00:01:50] Wayne: you can imagine 

[00:01:50] Ayrton: me, I'm not agile or quick or anything and he was, he was, uh, just picking it off in front of me. Jared Brennan was the other one, um, two years, 

[00:01:59] Wayne: was he [00:02:00] number one 

[00:02:01] Ayrton: draft pick? Oh no, I don't think he was quite that, was he, I don't think he was number one, was he?

[00:02:04] Ayrton: He was high. Yeah, he was high, um, 

[00:02:08] Wayne: Jared Brennan had played at Brisbane, and the great Lee Matthews said he might be the best talent I've ever seen. He's still 

[00:02:14] Ayrton: a freak athletically. He would be 15 metres away from the footy and he'd just jump over blokes. Last two years though, I've been a bit aggro with Jarrod in the times we've played him.

[00:02:25] Ayrton: This time around, in a semi final against his team, they're the Pigeons, they were. Um, there was a marking contest late, we were down, um, and I've just sort of jumped into him. You try and use your body, but not give away a free kick. And he, 

[00:02:38] Wayne: he was a bit upset. You look like, you look like you'd be a body player, that's about it.

[00:02:42] Wayne: He thought I'd 

[00:02:44] Ayrton: gone a bit hard in the contest. Um, so he got up and kind of shaped up to me and I thought, Oh, here we go. Hang on, 

[00:02:50] Wayne: this is a bloke that wouldn't even tell the dog next door to stop barking. Oh, I didn't 

[00:02:57] Ayrton: back down, but I did laugh because I, um, [00:03:00] you'll laugh at this. No one wears a mouth guard up there, but I wear a mouth guard.

[00:03:03] Ayrton: I've got my mum's words from years ago ringing in my ears. Cause I got, I had braces when I was young. Yeah, right. Cost, you know, five grand. By the way, you should wear a mouth guard. Well, the very first year we went up there, actually a bloke, got his front teeth knocked out and they had to stop the game to look for his teeth on the ground.

[00:03:19] Ayrton: Ever since then I've thought, I'll wear a mouth guard. Anyway, Brendan's going, You're up here wearing a bloody mouth guard, like how soft are you? 

[00:03:25] Wayne: And I'm not the one who's sookin about a bit of contact 

[00:03:28] Ayrton: in the... Anyway, to his credit, he did later that night at the pub come up and apologise and say, Oh, you know...

[00:03:33] Ayrton: That's good. So 

[00:03:34] Wayne: all the teams mingle. Yeah, they do. It's not just you go, so you 

[00:03:36] Ayrton: all get together. Everyone, everyone gets together. Anyway, we were down in both games, but we... Determined team, this Davis FC. So you, 

[00:03:43] Wayne: so you got up and won the flag. We won the flag. By the way, when you say that I've only won two, yeah, at AFL level, but.

[00:03:50] Wayne: But if you want to count, you know, the under 17s, the under 19s, um, you know, the under 12s, the under 14s, which is, by the way, the same level that that [00:04:00] is, then I'm a fair way in front of you. The boys 

[00:04:02] Ayrton: keep saying that, I know I brought it up last week, but there's an open invitation for you next year, and maybe if you come up and spend the weekend there, you might put a bit more value.

[00:04:12] Ayrton: on the Byron Nines, uh, flag. I'm not 

[00:04:15] Wayne: sure, uh, 

[00:04:16] Ayrton: I should be doing that. There's, there's, well, there's elements of the weekend that would definitely suit you. Uh, you get a 2, 000, uh, winner's check if you win it. Uh, and so we went and put, we went and put it over the bar at the Beach Hotel. But the issue we had was, um, Cause we had so many games crammed in the Saturday, blokes hadn't really eaten, and I reckon it's the most militant security in all of Australia at the Beach Hotel.

[00:04:42] Ayrton: You even blink, too quickly. You're out. You're out the door, so I didn't get kicked out, but we had an issue, the bloke who had his card over the bar for the money, he was the first bloke 

[00:04:52] Wayne: booted. Oh you don't, you keep his 

[00:04:53] Ayrton: card there surely. Well he went, he was swaying, so that was his problem. There's another bloke who's an avid Truthhurts listener, [00:05:00] he's called The Shark, he was sitting there.

[00:05:04] Wayne: Is that because he wouldn't shout if a shark bit him? No, no, 

[00:05:06] Ayrton: no. He was sitting there and he was awake, but his eyes were shut. He was... Oh, 

[00:05:13] Wayne: you can't fall asleep. I've got mates who do that. He was awake though, but... I've got, actually I've... I've got a very good, uh, very good mate that likes to fall asleep.

[00:05:22] Wayne: Actually, I've got a few mates that don't mind a nap. Um. And they 

[00:05:25] Ayrton: have a couple. So then you, you know, you get, we dropped another two blokes. We said, we'll go in the next place, try and get in there. Two more blokes can't get in there. Then, you know, one bloke's on the dance floor. He's a bit too much energy on the dance floor.

[00:05:36] Ayrton: So, but you know, we're 

[00:05:38] Wayne: two, three hours into the night. And you've lost half the team. Lost half the 

[00:05:41] Ayrton: team. So. When you get into a session, it's interesting seeing how blokes go about the day, especially the Friday, which is a longer day when we didn't have the games. You know, there's those blokes that start on a mid strength beer.

[00:05:54] Wayne: Well, we all get overexcitable. That's what happens. And especially if you're in a group, the key to [00:06:00] the key to any. group gathering like that, when you're all enjoying yourself, which you're allowed to do, then the key is knowing your strengths and knowing your weaknesses. It's a bit like, it's not unlike being on the footy field.

[00:06:11] Wayne: So when you're at the, uh, at the pub or the restaurant, you've got to know what suits you and what doesn't. And, and I say this to my mates that fall asleep. One's, one's Brad, I won't say his last name. The other one's Sprigga, and I won't say his full name. But they are, they are fall asleep type guys. So they've got to know what puts them to sleep.

[00:06:30] Wayne: Besides me, I, I'm a, I don't like, I don't have dark spirits or anything like that. Um, beer and all of that's fine, but rosé. on a hot day, have a few roses with the sun coming down and it just goes straight to the head. And for me, that, that, yeah, so, and, and mixing drinks, some people can mix drinks, obviously don't mix them if you can't.

[00:06:55] Wayne: So it's not a puzzle when you think about it, you just, just don't try to keep, [00:07:00] and also don't try to keep up. Those days are gone. Are they? Yeah. You've got to grow 

[00:07:05] Ayrton: up at some point. Well, we say that to each other, and then here we are playing a few drinking games of Paper Rock 

[00:07:10] Wayne: Scissors, or... It's a bit like, it's, some people might say, oh, come on, Duck, you haven't grown up.

[00:07:15] Wayne: And they might be right. But it's the same as, you know, where you've, you've got a, you've got three quarters of a pot left, and you've got the Uber or the, or the, or the, your partner or, you know, a cab, whatever it is waiting for you. Now back in the day, you know, you're sitting there with your mates and they go, Oh, you better finish that.

[00:07:33] Wayne: You can't waste it. So you have to, you have to, you have to scull it before you run out to the U, but these days you just, you don't want beers on the table, you just leave it. It's called growing up 

[00:07:42] Ayrton: and it's called maturity. The great Wayne Carey, the king, is leaving beers on the 

[00:07:47] Wayne: table. I've got to be honest, I don't, not often that happens, because I'm watching the Uber or I'm a bit smarter than that.

[00:07:54] Wayne: And I'm also saying, you know, if someone is picking me up, well I'm prepared to ask them to wait for five minutes. If you're 

[00:07:59] Ayrton: [00:08:00] having a big day, do you, I, my day would not, because I don't drink beer because I'm a bit, Different, but I would have cider as my, what I'd describe as my session. I don't mind an apple cider.

[00:08:09] Ayrton: My session, uh, drink. So I would have that for most of the day. And then as it, the night starts, you know, to, to take hold, I'd maybe, well, I'd hook into the rum. That's where I can bring myself undone a little bit. Do you ever, do you ever drink a go to drink for secondary drink, like a vodka 

[00:08:23] Wayne: soda or something like that?

[00:08:25] Wayne: Yeah, probably. Yeah, probably just vodkas. Yeah. But I'm a beer, predominantly beer. 

[00:08:29] Ayrton: I marvel at the blokes who can drink beer all day. 

[00:08:33] Wayne: It's not you, it's Coltrane. it's Coltrane. By the way, drink responsibly. 

[00:08:40] Ayrton: Speaking of flags, speaking of flags, Duck, um, another bloke who's won a few premierships, Jack Revolt, wrote a column in the Herald Sun on the weekend, and I thought it would be something that would, might just get under your skin a little bit, so he was talking about when Richmond was trying to keep hold of Dusty, huge offer from North Melbourne, um, [00:09:00] and that there was some talk at that stage that, Um, that Dustin might leave.

[00:09:03] Ayrton: I personally don't think he was ever leaving Richmond. I think he used North, doesn't he? I think so, too. But Jack said, I won't ever know if it made a difference. This is his intervention. But that was myself and teammate Sean Grigg who were desperate to make him, Dustin, see the value in him being a Richmond Premiership player, compared to, and take this with a grain of salt, it is not meant to be disrespectful.

[00:09:24] Ayrton: Being a North Melbourne Premiership player. So Jack's saying, 

[00:09:28] Wayne: oh, so being a Premiership player for Richmond is better than, well, North or any other club for that matter. 

[00:09:33] Ayrton: That's what he's saying, yeah. It's a bit of a slap 

[00:09:35] Wayne: at North Melbourne. It's a bit of a, it's a bit of a dick snap comment, to be honest.

[00:09:39] Wayne: Like, you know, a Premiership, whether you win it, you know, for the Simon Davis, whoever team, or whether you were, you know, local footy, VFL footy, or whatever, the feeling is exactly the same. So it doesn't matter whether it's AFL level or any level for that matter, none's more important than the other, let alone being a bigger [00:10:00] club with a few more supporters, but that, that doesn't surprise me.

[00:10:03] Wayne: That's Jack reverting back to the old Jack. I thought Jack had sort of, you know, grown a little bit more and matured a little bit more to make a, you know, comment like that, because that's, that is disrespectful to To, uh, one, the North Melbourne Footy Club and anyone that's happened to win a premiership.

[00:10:23] Wayne: So Kevin Bartlett's premierships are worth more than Arnold Breitus or Wayne Schimelbusch's. That's basically what he's saying. 

[00:10:30] Ayrton: So, as well. Reading that, that, that, that frustrates you. 

[00:10:34] Wayne: No, no, it's stupid. It's just, it doesn't. Water off a duck's back. 

[00:10:39] Ayrton: If you, if you bump into Jack, 

[00:10:41] Wayne: if you... I'm sure Jack would, I'm sure Jack would have a laugh about it.

[00:10:44] Wayne: But I'm, but, and, and like he said, take it with a grain of salt. Unfortunately, you can't take it with a grain of salt because he actually said it. 

[00:10:51] Ayrton: Yeah. Yes, that's not gonna, like you're gonna 

[00:10:54] Wayne: go and put him in a headlock. No, but, but what he, and then to follow up and let's put it into context, he said Being [00:11:00] a Richmond player, the, I guess the opportunities because of the size of the club might be, um, more so.

[00:11:08] Wayne: Yep. Um, and I probably There's probably some truth in that in terms of marketability, correct But when you've got you know, the amount of support they are a massive club So in terms of that, so let's put let's not blow it out of complete proportion, but it is a dick snap comment 

[00:11:23] Ayrton: I thought you'd have something to say it's a dangerous time of year for these retiring players because often they they put their pen to paper and start writing away to or Fingers to the keyboard and start writing columns or books.

[00:11:36] Ayrton: And Trent Koch and Jack's teammate, um, a player that you really admire after his, um, time as captain, has spoken about, uh, you know, there's different excerpts of his book that have come out. We spoke about one about when he realised Damien Hardwick was maybe on the way out. Um, the latest to be released is what he said about, um, Damien Hardwick.

[00:11:57] Ayrton: Um, marriage breakdown and [00:12:00] relationship 

[00:12:00] Wayne: with a club staff. I probably shouldn't be talking about marriage breakdowns, relationship. It is 

[00:12:05] Ayrton: maybe dangerous territory, but I found it interesting because I would have thought that um, that. So the relationship 

[00:12:12] Wayne: had waned, pardon 

[00:12:13] Ayrton: the pun. Yeah, so this is what Trent wrote, did it, uh, his breakdown, impact my relationship with Dima?

[00:12:19] Ayrton: I would say yes at that point, 100%. We had built this culture on a platform of family, connection and love. And Dimmer and Danielle's relationship had played a big part in all of this, so it was only natural to be worried about the fallout. I still love Dimmer, and still respected him as a coach, but I'm not sure my relationship with him ever got back to the level it had been before.

[00:12:39] Ayrton: It felt like there was a barrier between us. So that, that's pretty strong 

[00:12:42] Wayne: if you, from You're allowed to, you're actually allowed in this life, believe it or not, you're actually allowed to fall out of love with someone and then fall in love with someone else. You're actually allowed to do that. That's what DIMMA obviously did.

[00:12:56] Wayne: And, and if that upsets some people, like Trent, [00:13:00] well, you know, so be it. I like the fact that he's very forthcoming in what he's saying. I, obviously, it's not a book I'll go out and read. I love Trent, but I, to be honest, I didn't think his book would be that interesting. No, because he's not someone that you would think, but he has been very forthright.

[00:13:15] Wayne: And, and some of the things that you've said to me, it does sound like he's, he's put it all on the line, which I like. Actually go out and get it. Why don't they ever bring up Dimmer's, uh, Dimmer's, every time they bring, talk about him, why don't they say that? Nor should they, because as I said, we're all grownups.

[00:13:33] Wayne: Yes. You can fall out of love and in love with other people and it's not a, it's not a crime. Do you feel 

[00:13:39] Ayrton: like over time? I'm assuming they've probably reconnected anyway, Trent and Dima, post him leaving Richmond. Do you feel like the bond between Premiership 

[00:13:49] Wayne: coach and candidates? Always, always be the same.

[00:13:51] Wayne: And what you've got to remember is Trent, when you're writing a book and you're told to write it, and you know, he would be, um, and [00:14:00] he is, and he speaks incredibly well, but he would be told to, you know, uh, put his... put his, uh, balls on the line, so to speak, and actually be really truthful in how he felt. And I think by the sounds of it, that's exactly 

[00:14:13] Ayrton: what he's done.

[00:14:13] Ayrton: So the publishers, I mean, you've, you've written a book as well. The publishers are looking for those type of, um, lines, aren't they? That they can promote the book. 100%. 

[00:14:21] Wayne: Well, look, look at the two that you've read to me on this. Yeah. That's exactly what he wants. And that's well done. 

[00:14:28] Ayrton: Yep, very interesting, um, the Richmond situation and, yeah, I'm glad you fired back at Jack with a, with tongue in cheek, tongue in cheek.

[00:14:36] Wayne: Not really, but, um, talking about your, so you had winning premierships. Which I'll be feasting on for a minute. And, and I, I like to give a little story about what I got up to and people think, and I had a reasonable, It was a reasonable Friday night because what did I have on? I had something on. Um, had a lunch and that sort of, uh, escalated and that [00:15:00] escalated.

[00:15:00] Wayne: So it was a reasonable, uh, evening on Friday evening, but then the Saturday and Sunday, uh, family day and yesterday went to Luna Park for Halloween. So Luna Park, you know, the kids come along all dressed up in all their Halloween? So 

[00:15:17] Ayrton: Tuesday? Yeah. Tuesday. Okay. 

[00:15:19] Wayne: So. You know, the kids, you know, Carter put on his little, uh, skeleton outfit, little skeleton outfit.

[00:15:28] Wayne: Um, Charlotte didn't choose to, to get dressed up to go to, but they will tomorrow night, tomorrow afternoon. So they'll put their little outfit on. So they love, they 

[00:15:35] Ayrton: love getting in. Cause it's been this conversation, hasn't it? Are we getting 

[00:15:38] Wayne: two? They both decided they want to be vampires this year. Yep. No, so, you know, I think last year Charlotte was a witch.

[00:15:45] Wayne: Yep. Um, you know, Carter's been a skeleton, he's been a vampire. What about you? Do 

[00:15:49] Ayrton: you, um? I've, 

[00:15:51] Wayne: I got asked that question this morning. That, uh, are you going to dress up this year? And I, I'm not sure it's in the Halloween, but I might just go as an angel. [00:16:00] That's ridiculous. Or the devil. Yeah, I think that might be.

[00:16:05] Wayne: Some devil horns. I think that might be. No, I've never gone trick or treating before. And, and they've said, can you come this year? So I'm, I'm thinking I might just put a mask on, um, and head around, head around the streets and try and get some, try and get some candy. 

[00:16:22] Ayrton: How are they received when they're knocking on doors?

[00:16:24] Ayrton: Is it generally, is it becoming bigger, do 

[00:16:26] Wayne: you think? This year seems to not be as big, but it is getting bigger in Australia. I think what you do if you're a little kid, it just is a little tip. If no, if you don't go to a house with no decoration on it whatsoever, because that basically means that house doesn't give a shit about Halloween.

[00:16:43] Wayne: Yeah. But if you see a house with, you know, spiderwebs and webs and skulls and all of that, then you'd walk up to the front door and ring the bell or whatever it is. I wonder if 

[00:16:53] Ayrton: someone knocked on your door, what little treats would be tucked away? 

[00:16:56] Wayne: Well, that's what you do. You've got to go and purchase, [00:17:00] um, you know, candy.

[00:17:01] Wayne: Have you got anything in 

[00:17:02] Ayrton: the backyard? Have you got any, you know, pumpkins or anything like that, or? 

[00:17:05] Wayne: No, we've, I've, I've decorated the front of the house. 

[00:17:08] Ayrton: Oh, you have, probably have done it. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah. 

[00:17:11] Wayne: So, you know, so that gives them permission to come up and ring the bell. I don't mind. You give them some candy.

[00:17:17] Wayne: And it depends on how much effort the kid goes to. Yep. You know, if you ask for a, you know, trick, which, you know, you probably, trick or treat. Um, but no, so I'm looking forward to tomorrow night, but it is a, it is a weird sort of time. I'm in Luna Park. Not for you. Not sure it's, you know. Would have been busy on a Sunday.

[00:17:39] Wayne: It was chockers yesterday. Yeah. 

[00:17:41] Ayrton: Absolute chockers. So did you go on any rides? Did you go on the roller coaster or? No, I went 

[00:17:43] Wayne: on the, the big ship. The rocking ship. Oh, I don't like that one. No, I don't like any of them. No, I get, 

[00:17:50] Ayrton: I get motion sickness on that, 

[00:17:51] Wayne: down there. Yeah, I went on that. I was Charlotte.

[00:17:53] Wayne: But I. Yeah, I don't go on a lot of them. Went on the, uh, went on the ghost train. [00:18:00] Yes. Very courageous of me. And then the carousel. Just 

[00:18:05] Ayrton: before we leave the topic of Halloween, how then do you decide when that chocolate or whatever they receive is available to them? Do you tuck it away, or are you like, are you saying, no, it's yours and you can have it when you want, or are you saying, no, you know, you can have a chocolate bar today, or 

[00:18:21] Wayne: a little bit at lunchtime?

[00:18:22] Wayne: It's very good. Carter's just relentless on it. And if he, if he knows it's there, he just pocks out, yeah, and knows. how much he's had, how much is left, um, where it's put. 

[00:18:34] Ayrton: So you've got no, you've got limited 

[00:18:36] Wayne: control over this. No, no, you do. You put it, you take it away from him, but he knows where it is, how many he's got left.

[00:18:41] Wayne: And he, he... If you left him to his own devices, would he just, he would, he'd clean, he'd clean three quarters of it up until he was actually sick. So I remember back 

[00:18:49] Ayrton: to that, yeah, when you, when you, a lot getting a show bag, when you used you just wanted, you just wanted 

[00:18:53] Wayne: more. Yep. And he, and, and he actually can just sit there and just...

[00:18:58] Wayne: Yeah. Just go for it. And you've [00:19:00] got to pull him up. Yeah. And when, you know he's had enough when he actually just stops at that point and says okay, you can put it away. Well, that's my 

[00:19:06] Ayrton: issue. When you, when you've got, when you become an adult, you haven't got anyone to tell you to stop. So maybe I'll come knocking on your door for a couple of little chocolate bars 

[00:19:12] Wayne: or something.

[00:19:13] Wayne: Now, uh, the other, the other big thing that's going on, and we've got Derby Day coming up on Saturday. So the spring. Racing Carnival, Cox Plate, what a, you know, awesome day, um, we've had, we've already had a really good lead up to it, but I, I've always believed Derby Day's the best day of the Spring Carnival.

[00:19:33] Wayne: Now a lot of people love the Melbourne Cup, um, Stakes Day's family day, and Oaks Day's meant to be women's day, which ends up being men's day, um, so it's, it, it's, it's, it's It's always that argument, which day is the best day. So 

[00:19:47] Ayrton: you would have been to most of them by 

[00:19:48] Wayne: now. Oh, over. Over time. Yeah, over a long time.

[00:19:51] Wayne: I've been to all 

[00:19:52] Ayrton: of them, yeah. It's funny, because if you like the, you know, the racing purists will say, well, the best race of the spring is probably, you know, the Cox Plate, Wait for Age, Best Horses, [00:20:00] Great Battle, as we saw on the weekend with Romantic Warrior from Hong Kong. Derby Day, you've got... You've got multiple Group 1 races, so as a day, you may be the best, right?

[00:20:08] Ayrton: Melbourne Cup is the biggest hyped overall, but then you've got, you know, Oaks Day might be a bit more casual or something like that. So, Derby Day's your day. Derby 

[00:20:17] Wayne: Day's my day, and I think it's because of that. I think it's the, well, it's the first Saturday, um, and I think I've had the most luck on Derby Day, so I've backed the most winners over a period of time.

[00:20:31] Wayne: Um, on that day and some really, really good memories of good wins with some mates and, and that sort of, so that, that sits out more, um, cup day to me has been hit and miss. Yep. So I had a lot of steaks days. You've had enough by steaks day a lot of, a lot of the time, but go on a steaks 

[00:20:48] Ayrton: day as it, as it locked the third day or something like 

[00:20:50] Wayne: that.

[00:20:51] Wayne: Yeah. Then you're 

[00:20:52] Ayrton: just about cooked. How it's, it's a big day financially now. You do, you have to commit a lot of, like the, the drinks and the, and the betting [00:21:00] and everything that goes on. It's, it's, well, 

[00:21:01] Wayne: everything, it just depends where you are. If you're in a, in a marquee where all that's taken care of, you just, yeah.

[00:21:06] Wayne: And that's why if you do pay a bit for your ticket, make sure you get your money's worth. . Yeah, absolutely. Get there early. I'm 

[00:21:13] Ayrton: just going to throw another one into the mix, another cup day. Um, Devonport cup day. So Devon, unfortunately, unfortunately this has changed recently. Responsible service of alcohol, but back in the day, I remember 18 to early 20s when you could wheel your own Esky into the, into the day.

[00:21:32] Ayrton: Oh, 

[00:21:33] Wayne: you did, you could do that in Melbourne at Flemington as well. I think, can you still do that? Down on 

[00:21:37] Ayrton: the lawn? Maybe if you buy a... Car park or something like that. You can do it. Oh right. You can't not into the court. Yeah. No, I just remember you buying a slab of Bundy cans and wheeling that into the demo and thinking this was Christmas time.

[00:21:48] Ayrton: Yeah. 

[00:21:48] Wayne: Yeah. How good's this? Yeah. Nice day. A little blankie. Yeah. Yeah. Might be. They're, they're good days. Actually, that's the other thing that happened on the weekend. Carter, Carter [00:22:00] picked up this dead bee, right? And then thought, Oh, well I can just go and grab a live bee. No. No. So he's, he's grabbed the live bee.

[00:22:10] Wayne: at his grandma's birthday, right, and it's bitten him on the thumb. You would have sworn that someone had chopped his hand off. Yeah. And wouldn't let anyone, like, touch it and, so the whole bowls club down at Torquay, like, just, they could just hear this kid screaming, thought that, you know, something terrible was happening.

[00:22:30] Wayne: And he's running it around and then we find out that the bee and the pulp and the sting is still in the thumb. Oh, yeah. And he wouldn't let anyone touch it to get it out. So, I've, I've just sort of grabbed it and, you know, gone like that. Anyway, it didn't come out, but then it came out. And, but the screaming to get that out was...

[00:22:49] Wayne: But, lesson learnt. He'll never go and grab a bee again. It is a 

[00:22:52] Ayrton: life lesson, isn't it? I wanted this with... I said this to my partner the other day when we had our, we've got a cat at home and, uh, Ayla, who's 10 months old now, [00:23:00] she's, um, crawling, charging around the house and getting close to walking, but she just chases, um, Billy, our cat, around all day.

[00:23:07] Ayrton: But he just sort of sits there, he doesn't move, and then as she gets closer, he just goes whack! Bang! Straight in the face! And my, my, My partner Katie says, well, I can't let that happening, you might scratch her or something. I say, well, if you wax her in the head, and he has, she cries, and it's a 

[00:23:23] Wayne: lesson learned, isn't it?

[00:23:25] Wayne: She'll 

[00:23:25] Ayrton: learn, yeah. But she's saying, well, she's only 10 months old, she won't learn yet, and I'm 

[00:23:29] Wayne: like, maybe not. But, so you'd, you'd. Oh, you've got to be careful with that, with animals, you know, but a bee, but now, and the other thing you learn, he's not allergic to bees. A lot. I know a lot of people have allergies to bees and you've gotta be very careful.

[00:23:44] Wayne: You do. You can. Yeah. Very serious. So learned that as well, which is good. 

[00:23:48] Ayrton: Um, we're getting, uh, we're getting ever closer to the draft. We've, we've got rid of the trade period, so the drafts in a few weeks time. Uh, it's, it's been a strong focus on one guy hasn't there [00:24:00] for, for, for a lead up to a draft. 

[00:24:02] Wayne: Look, I know it probably is every year, but it just seems like draft day.

[00:24:07] Wayne: So, you know, we, we, we, we copy everything America does. And we know that draft day, have you seen the movie draft day with Kevin Costner? 

[00:24:15] Ayrton: No, no, I haven't 

[00:24:16] Wayne: seen it. Haven't you seen it? No. Oh, one of the great movies. But the way their draft days build up, we've tried, we're nowhere near that, but, you know, we do our best.

[00:24:25] Wayne: But I think the build up about Harley Reid has been enormous. And I think it's because North Melbourne and Hawthorne obviously had that, you know, oh sorry, North Melbourne and West Coast, was sort of vying for that number one pick, and then North winning that last game, they don't get it. And now there's talk about giving away the farm to get, I don't think that the number one pick, and, and so much pressure on this young kid, I think it's enormous.

[00:24:53] Wayne: I don't think we've spoken about anyone as much, but maybe we have. And there's [00:25:00] been, look, there's been some really, really good number one picks. And there's been some guys that have, you know, okay, maybe top ten, but it just goes to show you that, you know, there's no certainty. Just because you go number one.

[00:25:14] Wayne: I mean, you can break down in your first year. So you've got a few of the recent ones there. McCartan's a great example. So 

[00:25:20] Ayrton: 2014, Paddy 

[00:25:20] Wayne: McCartan. Yeah, great example. Tom Boyd, who, by the way, you know, wasn't the player that GWS wanted him to play, but then invariably got the premiership for the Bulldogs. So, um, for me, he was worth everything the Bulldogs played, but as a number one pick, I don't think it probably reached, you know.

[00:25:38] Wayne: And then you've got guys like, you know, big Johnny Patton, who... Probably didn't, well not probably, didn't reach number one status. You've got, uh, Swallow, uh, Jack Watts, Scully. I mean, the list goes on and on. Now don't get me wrong, all of those players, uh, in particular Swallow was a fantastic player for, The Suns, but there's a lot of [00:26:00] those players that have been really good players, but not reached number one status.

[00:26:04] Wayne: And then there's guys like Walsh, Rayner, I think's improving. Rowe's first five games we thought absolutely number one. Now you're probably thinking, you know, should have gone maybe a little bit lower. So, I mean, the argument will go on forever, but it's a classic example why you do not give away a couple of low picks just for pick one.

[00:26:27] Wayne: Because, because there are no guarantees. 

[00:26:29] Ayrton: The, the, if you're listening to the draft gurus like, um, Cal Toomey from AFL. com who I, um, really respect his opinion. He, he has ranked Harley up there with the best players to be drafted in recent years. So he, he, you know, there's big reps on Jason Horne Francis and Nick Dacos above maybe a whole lot of others and Will Ashcroft.

[00:26:50] Ayrton: And he, he was saying that Harley really... He, he 

[00:26:52] Wayne: ranks alongside those guys. He, 

[00:26:54] Ayrton: he thinks he could... Can be every bit as good and impactful straight away. And I guess the other thing with Harley is maybe the, [00:27:00] the, he's that type of player, the Dustin Martin type mid forward player that people are getting excited about.

[00:27:07] Ayrton: But it is a lot of pressure, isn't it? For, he seems, he seems to be taking it in his stride. Um, but it'd be interesting come round one day this year, wherever he is, if it's West Coast or North Melbourne or wherever. Um, how he handles that, because for an 18 year old kid, 

[00:27:20] Wayne: it's pretty... Well, if he's as good as those guys, then clearly he comes in and has an impact.

[00:27:24] Wayne: And the one thing that we know, and, and just to those guys that I mentioned before, with all due respect, they played in a different time. I mean, Jack Watts got attacked by Collingwood players the first game he played. Yeah. And got, got physically intimidated. So, different times, different rules. Um, I think the young kids that come in today, uh, are better prepared for AFL footy and also they're playing, they're coming in playing on other kids.

[00:27:51] Wayne: They're not coming in playing on, on, on men, like once upon a time, some of these players were. 

[00:27:57] Ayrton: It's amazing the difference in, uh, scrutiny [00:28:00] from a number one to a number two pick, isn't it? Because the number twos are like, some 

[00:28:04] Wayne: of those have been superstars, but some have also been flops, but 

[00:28:08] Ayrton: you don't have the same scrutiny, but you look at someone like Aaron Cadman from last year, he was the number one pick at GWS.

[00:28:13] Ayrton: Well, he hasn't, 

[00:28:14] Wayne: he hasn't done a Nick Dacos or anything like that. 

[00:28:16] Ayrton: He's a, he's a key position player who will take longer, but you know, as a number one pick. There's, there's this focus and, well maybe he's a, he's one year in. Even Jamara 

[00:28:25] Wayne: was, you know, he was... Well Jamara's taken a few years and now just starting to, so we might, if you were to look at Jamara after his first few years, you're saying there's no way he's number one.

[00:28:34] Wayne: Yeah, but... He might end up being number, the right decision might be, you know, we'll find out in two or three years. So there are those that come in and have an impact straight away and those that don't. By the sounds of it, they think Harley Reid's going to do that. 

[00:28:47] Ayrton: Now, uh, before we move on to our list of comments, there has been a few other little things floating around in the sporting world on the weekend.

[00:28:54] Ayrton: I'll save a bit of the Melbourne chat for when we get into our comments. We've got some specific [00:29:00] questions on the Melbourne Football Club. Um, just on Eddie, the Eddie Jones situation. Again, I'm not a huge rugby man, but I've just found this fascinating. How this has unfolded so he's come back as Wallaby's coach after being in England He's you know, there's been this huge song and dance about him He's told reporters to give themselves an uppercut for being too negative about Australian rugby on the way to the World Cup He's gone and won two games against nobodies He's lied through his teeth about Interest from Japan.

[00:29:29] Ayrton: He said I'm committed to the Wallabies. Now he's resigned and on the way out his quote was I gave it a run Hopefully it'll be the catalyst for change Sometimes you have to eat shit for others to eat caviar further down the track. Yeah, come on. I like the 

[00:29:43] Wayne: saying It's a great quote, but come on Eddie.

[00:29:45] Ayrton: He's saying he's saying he's laid the foundations 

[00:29:48] Wayne: for the future. I wouldn't have thought so It's 

[00:29:52] Ayrton: ridiculous. Yeah, and he's and I Understand it's hard for him in the 

[00:29:56] Wayne: thing about You know, there was this debate [00:30:00] on the weekend as well, all over the last week or so, when you've got Rugby League, League, you know, going to America, and them talking about Rugby League being the biggest sport in Australia.

[00:30:11] Wayne: Yes. Absolute laughable. Yes. Now, I grew up with Rugby League and love Rugby League, but it is nowhere near as big as AFL. It is a huge game. It is a game that I absolutely love, but it's not even in the same hemisphere. I don't get anywhere near the same people. Two games, their membership's not even remotely close.

[00:30:33] Wayne: I mean, there's just so many factors that point to it that it's not anywhere near as popular. It is a great sport. It's a sport I love. It is a world sport. Not a worldwide sport, but a world sport, which does make it different to AFL. So I'll give it that tick. So you can go and represent your country against other countries in the actual sport you play, which as an AFL player, you don't get to do that.

[00:30:58] Wayne: So that's where [00:31:00] rugby league and rugby union have the advantage. So getting back to now, which, so those comments about it being the biggest sport in Australia is just like I said. But getting back to Union, Union once upon a time I think had taken over League. At one point, and I'm talking about John Eel's time and Yep.

[00:31:20] Wayne: And, and Campisi and these guys when they were winning World Cups, I think 99. And you know, I, I think I went to the, the, the one in 2003 Australian where England Beat Australia. Johnny Wilkinson. Johnny Wilkinson on his left foot. Yep. Or right foot. It might've been, 'cause he was a left footer I think. And one of his feet.

[00:31:36] Wayne: Yep, yep. No, but he's the opposite side. And I was at that game and I actually backed England. But I'd backed them before the start of the tournament. Didn't think, I didn't think that Australia would get to the final. And Australia did. So then I've, I've, you know, I was sort of going, well, you know, if Australia win it's great, but sort of want England to win for the hip pocket.

[00:31:59] Wayne: [00:32:00] So there was... Well that's a win win, that's a win win. So that's when... Rugby union, I think was every bit as big as, as, uh, or bigger than league. And I remember I was in Adelaide at the time and Marcus, like we all flew, we, we flew to Sydney for that, those games. It was unbelievable to be there during that time.

[00:32:19] Wayne: It's dropped off a stack since then. Absolutely. But, uh, yeah, Eddie, well, I don't think Eddie's, it's probably, it's a win win. Well, Eddie needs 

[00:32:27] Ayrton: to give 

[00:32:28] Wayne: himself an uppercut now. Yeah, it's a win win. I like the saying though. Give yourself an uppercut. No, yeah, no, everyone, everyone likes to think that, you know, when they leave somewhere, they've left it in a better place.

[00:32:41] Wayne: I'm not sure that we're thinking about that, 

[00:32:44] Ayrton: about. No, that's why it's, it, but it's just the way he is, he's looked down his nose at all, at all of these. Questions, which have now proved correct about the state of rugby in Australia, uh, and certain things about him, and he's dismissed them as being, [00:33:00] and now he's proven to be, anyway.

[00:33:02] Ayrton: He's gone down in my estimations, but he's probably not 

[00:33:04] Wayne: listening to the truth. What about the girls, Sam Kerr and the girls? 

[00:33:10] Ayrton: Yeah, yeah, so over in Perth, I saw they had a big crowd over there. It was a bit late for me on the Saturday night. No, I was still up, but I was out on the town, so I missed it, but I saw she scored a hat trick on the weekend.

[00:33:20] Ayrton: Because 

[00:33:20] Wayne: of the, but once again, because of the World Cup, um, yeah, that's just, that, that sport is just, you know, going to grow and grow and grow. Massive 55, 000. They've just got to, they've got to continue to, to grow it. Keep it, keep it on the front of people's minds and not let it slip away, because that's often what can happen.

[00:33:39] Ayrton: Absolutely. Now we've got a stack of listener questions, because it was a big, a big, big show last week. You really, you really came off the long run last week, so I'll get to those in a moment, a bit of a response. Um, first question is a bit of a, is a bit of a curly one, it's from Matt. Duck, did you see your old mate Ricky Nixon's apparently got into a blue [00:34:00] with Sam Newman over at Appearance Fee at a cricket club?

[00:34:03] Ayrton: Are 

[00:34:04] Wayne: you serious? Yeah. So, have you seen it? Well Sam Newman's just had a shoulder replacement. Has he? Okay. He had it about a month after I did. So if Chickens doing that With a man or they if this is true, then Chickens certainly. He's 

[00:34:18] Ayrton: on the record So Chickens, there's quotes from him in the Herald Sun It was supposedly the dispute was over an appearance fee Chickens told Sam Newman Uh, that it was worth 3, 000 and he admits, he says he made a mistake telling Sam that they were actually going to split the 3, 000.

[00:34:39] Ayrton: So Sam's got there and Nick Chicken's only given him 1, 500 and he's going, what's this? And he's invited him outside to go on with it. The Chook has. No, Sam's invited the 

[00:34:47] Wayne: Chook outside and said, But Sam, Sam has had a shoulder replacement just recently. Yeah, well, so he must, he must have thought, he must have still been confident at getting over the Chook.

[00:34:58] Wayne: By the way, don't fight. You [00:35:00] should talk through those things, but that's, I don't believe what's in the Herald Sun. No, 

[00:35:04] Ayrton: but Ricky has said that the, the confrontation did 

[00:35:06] Wayne: happen, and he explained it. Well, there might be a bit of, uh, embellishment there, too. Do you, do you, 

[00:35:10] Ayrton: if the, if the Chook, if you got to an event and the Chook said, Duck, I'm only giving you 1, 500 instead of 3, 000, do you reckon you'd say?

[00:35:17] Wayne: Well, the, the Chook might have picked his mark. I'm not sure. I'll give, I'll give the Chook and Sam a ring after this, and I'll find out. I'll give you a proper, uh. 

[00:35:29] Ayrton: Sam's quote was to the Herald Sun, stop wasting my time with this. 

[00:35:34] Wayne: I'll find, I'll find that,

[00:35:40] Wayne: that's, that's what we want on the Truth 

[00:35:42] Ayrton: Search. I just thought you'd find that, I thought you'd find that. That is funny. Uh, a few comments, uh, Kevs Magpies. Great podcast guys, I do think Melbourne has a bad culture and the way they let the Oliver situation Get out of hand is poor, and the leadership is poor and [00:36:00] pathetic.

[00:36:00] Ayrton: So really strong from Kev's magpies. This is from G Funk Era. The media is sick of the arrogance from Melbourne and particularly that of Simon Goodwin. When a story that can potentially bring them down a peg comes to light, they're going to fan the flames. Now I've noticed that Goody and Gary Pert are going on SEN tomorrow with, with Gary Lyon.

[00:36:20] Ayrton: So that's, that's intriguing isn't it, that they would um, that they would do that. So they're going on for, for 45 minutes or an hour, a proper sit down chat. So that, to do that they must think. 

[00:36:31] Wayne: I must think they've got a lot of listeners too. 

[00:36:34] Ayrton: Yeah, well absolutely. 

[00:36:36] Wayne: Um, that surprises me, to be honest. Why you would go on, especially, you know, that.

[00:36:44] Wayne: Why, how's that, oh because of Gary Lyon and the Melbourne connection. I assume 

[00:36:48] Ayrton: maybe they think that Gary Lyon will be fair with them. I mean Gary's been critical of Melbourne at different times, but he will defend Melbourne when required. 

[00:36:57] Wayne: Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, well. I don't [00:37:00] think,

[00:37:04] Wayne: you don't, an interesting choice, you know, being Gary to do it, I guess the only reason why that would be is because he's an ex Melbourne captain. So there's, there's 

[00:37:12] Ayrton: been a lot of rumour and innuendo which we've addressed as, you know, some things can be embellished, some things may have an element of truth.

[00:37:20] Ayrton: Do you think it's right then that these questions get put to Simon Goodwin and Gary Peart and they can clear the air? Because the club, the club would be endorsing this. 

[00:37:30] Wayne: I think they'll be damned if they do and they'll be damned if they don't. And I don't think it's the right for them to do it. Yep.

[00:37:35] Wayne: Because I can, I can see the interview right now. I can almost, you can almost picture what it's going to be. And it'll be, you know, nothing against Gary, but he'll be trying to be hard and, and, and give out all these, you know, the tough questions. And oh, is there a problem with this? And is there, you know, Ray Martin style and Oprah Winfrey cross with Ray and Oprah.

[00:37:55] Wayne: And. And at the end of the day, it'll be oh well they didn't answer that [00:38:00] properly, or they didn't give enough, or he wasn't hard enough, or he was, you know, or he's too hard, or, you know, so, you're just, you're pushing you know what uphill. Yep. It is 

[00:38:10] Ayrton: interesting from a, so clubs go, have what they call, you know, crisis communications, when something happens they try to manage the message.

[00:38:17] Ayrton: Um, so. You watch how 

[00:38:18] Wayne: this is, you watch how this is picked apart. It will not, it 

[00:38:21] Ayrton: absolutely 

[00:38:22] Wayne: will be. It will be 

[00:38:23] Ayrton: picked apart. The club obviously thinks there's enough to gain because maybe they're thinking there's been an element of brand damage over the past month with whether they're true or not the story's getting a little out of control in regards to different people and, you know, Joel Smith, Clayton Oliver, Simon Goodwin and so on.

[00:38:39] Ayrton: So they must think that they need to do this. Yeah, well. Um, so that'll be, that'll be interesting and, and one that we can, uh, dissect. Well we can tune in. When, when's that on? Uh, tomorrow morning on SEN, Tuesday morning. Well, 

[00:38:51] Wayne: just, you know, do it, get a, tape it for me. I'll tape it. I won't probably. I won't tune in 

[00:38:57] Ayrton: live.

[00:38:57] Ayrton: I'll, I'll tape it for you. Um, [00:39:00] speaking of media, last week you had, you had a bit of a crack, you were, you weren't, um, why'd you roll your eyes at me? No. Yeah, well you did, yeah, yep, you weren't happy with the fact that you felt the media could report certain things about you and you were getting in trouble for firing back.

[00:39:17] Ayrton: Well, there's been a huge response, huge, I've just picked out a few, uh, few comments. Uh, this is from Asip Damiri, the only thing that Wayne Carey needs to know is that the real North Melbourne people will be forever grateful for what you've done for our club. We care for you Wayne and always will. We couldn't give a stuff about what the media says.

[00:39:35] Ayrton: That's, that's nice. Chris, I was never a Kerry fan in his playing days, though I never doubted his greatness. I suppose I was tainted by the negative media stories. Uh, this podcast however has altered my opinion, I enjoy it, I don't agree with all that he says, but it'd be a pretty boring place if we agreed on everything.

[00:39:53] Ayrton: That's about right, because we don't, we don't, no, we don't 

[00:39:56] Wayne: agree on everything. Fair to say you're different, I mean look what you're wearing today, [00:40:00] and look at, and look what you're proud of, like who the hell wears a goat hat, and wears his... You know, under 10 premiership returns. 

[00:40:09] Ayrton: Well, I do hope... 

[00:40:12] Wayne: I do hope...

[00:40:13] Wayne: Other than Diesel Williams, of course. 

[00:40:16] Ayrton: I do hope that the listeners take it with a grain of salt that I'm not that... No, no, no. I was... You've just 

[00:40:22] Wayne: been walking around the street with that on. I 

[00:40:23] Ayrton: was pretty good up there, though. I was pretty... For a bloke who has no athletic ability, can't run, can't jump, but just smart, really smart footballer.

[00:40:32] Ayrton: Anyway, moving on. Um... Well said duck get over it. We've all said something. We've all sorry. We've all done something We're not proud of the distances your differences. You're in the public eye so many hypocrites out there. God bless you brother from meow kabar So that was part of what you were saying that you felt that that there is You know an element in the media who will report something 

[00:40:53] Wayne: and then well like they report on things all the time and then You know, you say something and it's like you're highlighting it.[00:41:00] 

[00:41:00] Wayne: That was my point. Yep. Surely I'm allowed to speak about something that I was involved in that they speak about 

[00:41:06] Ayrton: often. So this, well, there's a couple, there are, we don't just read out the positive ones. There's a couple that have just got some questions for you. This is from Riley Riz. I feel like the duck misses the point with a lot of the controversial things that happen.

[00:41:21] Ayrton: This is from Riley. The reason people were upset was because writing three times is rubbing the other people's faces in it. Clearly, the only reason he thought it was pretty funny was because he was half pissed. 

[00:41:32] Wayne: I wasn't half. I was quarter. Oh, I'd get in trouble for that. Quarter? No, I was, I had a couple of cocktails.

[00:41:40] Wayne: By the way, that got reported. 

[00:41:42] Ayrton: You had a couple of cocktails? Yeah, I saw that. I had a couple of cocktails. You are definitely getting, you are definitely one of the clickbait kings for the Herald Sun, isn't it? I 

[00:41:49] Wayne: had a couple of, and I, the phone, the... Breathalyzer, gotta mention. Yes, 

[00:41:54] Ayrton: I saw that. This is from Rob.

[00:41:56] Ayrton: Final one on this, and it's, it's a hard hitting [00:42:00] question from Rob. So, I see you've got a bit of trepidation. Love the King, but he missed the mark on his reaction to his tweet. The media angle is a red herring. How does he feel his former teammates might feel about that tweet? Maybe a little too cavalier.

[00:42:14] Ayrton: Couldn't give a crap. 

[00:42:16] Wayne: They couldn't care. 

[00:42:17] Ayrton: Oh, they couldn't care. No. Okay. No. So that I don't have 

[00:42:20] Wayne: mentioned it to me. All right. No fair enough because I wouldn't they wouldn't follow one They wouldn't be worried about Twitter and saying just like I said, I did get a little bit of feedback By a few people in the street and they said your problem was you saying the word facetious There's a lot of people out there that facetious means When 

[00:42:40] Ayrton: you use that word, I said I've got so I look up in a dictionary and can spell it Is that because I, because I, because I use that word, you, you, you've stolen 

[00:42:49] Wayne: it from one of my favorite words forever.

[00:42:52] Ayrton: And you spelled it properly too, yeah, well done on that. Um, this is from Doug, Wayne it's awesome to hear from you, but just let old mate finish his [00:43:00] sentences please.

[00:43:04] Ayrton: You must have been 

[00:43:05] Wayne: talking over me last week. I like the fact that he says old mate. He didn't even say my 

[00:43:09] Ayrton: name, that's how memorable I am. Um, I had one more in the media. Sorry, I just missed from Mick, which was a good question. The question for me is, if the media can build players up, often overhype them, which absolutely helps them financially, then maybe players just have to wear it.

[00:43:26] Ayrton: Like it or not, without the media hype, you don't have all the money in the game. Also playing the Twitter game is fraught with danger, especially after a few drinks. Well, that is definitely good advice, Mick. Um, do you think players, because of the money they earn, which is, comes as part of the media building up the game?

[00:43:44] Wayne: I've, I've always said that if you, if what is said is truthful by the media, then you cop it on the chin. It's when it's, it's when it's hypocritical or the, or the truth is, embellished to a, [00:44:00] to an extreme that is not reality, which, you know, happens, it happens every day. Pick up the paper today and read most of what's in the paper and there's so much that, um, you know, you wouldn't take with a grain of salt.

[00:44:15] Ayrton: This is from Dazza, just finished watching Beckham and when he was brought by Real Madrid Figo, uh, played on the left instead of the right and absolutely dominated. So the right is where Beckham played. What better motivation to work harder and be greater. Great point, Dax. You're talking about Jack Inman on that.

[00:44:31] Ayrton: I actually got up to that episode last night on, uh, on, on Beckham. 

[00:44:35] Wayne: I've got to watch it again because there's also a documentary on Figo as well, did you know? Is there? Yeah. 

[00:44:41] Ayrton: Portuguese great. So it is amazing when you look back at that Real Madrid vision. They were just a team of stars. 

[00:44:47] Wayne: A team of stars that then invariably became a great team.

[00:44:51] Wayne: Yeah. 

[00:44:52] Ayrton: And it's easy to forget how big David Beckham was. Because this was a team of stars, but he was just astronomical. [00:45:00] Um, but interestingly in that situation, uh, two players in the one position, as Jack Inman found himself in. But he's gone for security, which you can understand. Uh, this is from Celia. Um, there's a bit of a message here about us approaching, um, you're pushing for 50 episodes, uh, uh, congratulations.

[00:45:18] Ayrton: Um, Duck, do you have a Melbourne Cup tip? Having, and I think Celia might be giving themselves a pat on the back here, having picked Saintly and the Quinella Delta Blues and Pop Rock. Uh, I think they might have picked them themselves. So, Melbourne Cup will be next week, maybe. No, we'll give it, yeah, we'll give it next week.

[00:45:35] Ayrton: Monday next week, so something to think about for you. Um. Next week we'll get you your Melbourne cup tip. Um, this is from Cornholio. Airtaskerfellas. So this came after our, this came after our handyman discussion. You know, you said hire a hubby. Airtaskerfellas. Put the job up you want, um, with how much you want to pay.

[00:45:58] Ayrton: We'll get heaps of quotes within [00:46:00] minutes. So, I think I, um, I think I might be. 

[00:46:04] Wayne: That could be fraught with danger. You don't know who's going to pick that job up. Well you keep telling me about just, what, some dingbat says he can put a nail in and... You don't know who he is. Whereas at least a company where you hire a, 

[00:46:17] Ayrton: you know...

[00:46:17] Ayrton: Yeah, but I think you can see their qualifications on there. Oh, can 

[00:46:20] Wayne: you? Okay, well, explain that. I just don't want to be, you know, inviting around Jack the Ripper, um, to put a, to put a photo up. Well, make sure you're 

[00:46:30] Ayrton: home. Well, you, you've just been telling me about how 

[00:46:32] Wayne: soft I am. You're worried about it, like, coming round here with a drill.

[00:46:35] Wayne: No, you know what I mean. And a screwdriver. You've got to, you've, unless there's qualifications, whereas if it's an actual company, then it's... 

[00:46:43] Ayrton: Now someone, uh, wasn't at, well not, I wouldn't say they weren't happy, but they've just questioned your Mick Martin bench press story. Uh, this is from Frankie Duck, I thought Fraser Gehrig might have given Mick a nudge in terms of bench press.

[00:46:59] Wayne: Fraser was... [00:47:00] I did hear, I did hear Fraser was, uh, pretty strong, but... Uh, my own Mick not as strong as Mick was. He, 

[00:47:06] Ayrton: was he, was he playing back when you were finishing your career at Fraser or was he Um, no, 

[00:47:10] Wayne: he became a forward, yeah. He, I know he became, sorry. No, no. He was a, well, he did a bit of both. 

[00:47:16] Ayrton: He was forward back.

[00:47:16] Ayrton: He, he, he kicked a lot of goals and became a cult, but he played back very well. A little period of time. A little 

[00:47:21] Wayne: bit. A little bit. Not I, I'm not sure we crossed over, or we may have right at the end. He might've Maybe when I went to the crows. Yeah. Might've been a game. He's 

[00:47:32] Ayrton: great 

[00:47:32] Wayne: to watch. He became a cult hero.

[00:47:35] Wayne: He's a very good player. Yeah. 

[00:47:37] Ayrton: And he 

[00:47:37] Wayne: was, he was strong. And he was, yeah, unbelievably strong. But no one's been stronger than me. 

[00:47:42] Ayrton: And this is finally, it's a question from Rob. Very different to a whole lot of other questions. Um, and I actually raised this with a few mates in the weekend. And everyone gave different answers.

[00:47:51] Ayrton: Uh, question. Who would Duck pick first on his team out of Herdy, Bucks and Vossi? We've been talking about Bucks and his standing recently. So I think it's come on the back of [00:48:00] that. Who would you pick first out of Herdy, Bucks and Vossi? Because they are often grouped together. 

[00:48:03] Wayne: In this, in this order. It's Voss, Hurd, Buckley.

[00:48:07] Ayrton: And so 

[00:48:07] Wayne: why? And the reason why I know the answer straight to that question straight away because I've been asked that question a lot. Um, Voss, hardness, leadership, um, premierships. And Hurd, Hurd, multiple positions, so played down back, played on Gary Ablett Senior, played on, played on myself, could play forward and then obviously went in.

[00:48:32] Wayne: But I, when I look at them, I don't look at them, as midfielders, and I'm saying that I can remember Voss grabbing games and doing things by the scruff of the neck, and Hurd was a match winner. Bucks was a, you know, he's a champion of our game, but he, he would, he would, he would beat you over time. He never, he couldn't grab a game like the other two.

[00:48:56] Wayne: So it wasn't moments, you're saying? Not as big a moments, correct, [00:49:00] as the other two. And they could take a game away from you. Whereas, you know, Bucks. Kill you by a thousand cuts and 

[00:49:07] Ayrton: finally just really off broadway This is from Christian duck. Have you been taking any notice of the Cricket World Cup? What do you think of the format and if you haven't been taking any notice of the format?

[00:49:19] Ayrton: Every team plays every team is nine matches before you even get to the Before you even get to the the final stage. Have you watched any of the Cricket 

[00:49:28] Wayne: World Cup? Not a lot. Isn't it funny how that's, that's another one of our sports and, you know, clearly cricket's our biggest summer sport, but 50 50 cricket, it's just, yeah, it's, there's just been no fanfare around it whatsoever, has there?

[00:49:45] Wayne: I, I would, 

[00:49:46] Ayrton: uh, watch religiously in the past. Yeah, so would I. The World Cup, but I. So would I. For me, too many, in answer to your question, Christian, for me, too many matches that don't mean anything at the moment. If you play nine games before you're getting, [00:50:00] we lost our first two games and we're still going to cruise through the next round.

[00:50:03] Ayrton: There's got to be a bit more pressure on you. Um, now, Duck, I've got to, I've got to, I've got to leave you, I've got to get to, no, I don't have a mad Monday. What I will say is, the things I do for you, So, yesterday I'm sitting at the, just picture this, I'm sitting at the Rainbow Bay Surf Life Saving Club.

[00:50:21] Ayrton: It's a beautiful 25, 26 degrees, sun's out, it looks over the beach, plenty to, plenty going on, as you can imagine. I got a pint of cider bought for me about 11 o'clock, my fight was at 1 o'clock. Originally I was due to come back today. I thought, no, I've got the podcast, which, and I've got to change it and the boys are going, 

[00:50:40] Wayne: no, change it back.

[00:50:41] Wayne: I reckon you've, I reckon you got an ultimatum to get back because you've got to be paid. You've been sort of, uh, taking a few liberties lately and getting out a little bit too much on a Sunday. That may have been 

[00:50:55] Ayrton: a factor that may have been a factor in my decision making when you have a whole lot of social events in [00:51:00] a row, you sometimes need to read the play a little bit.

[00:51:04] Wayne: You should have gone easier a couple of weeks ago and you would be still on the Gold Coast right now. Yes. 

[00:51:09] Ayrton: It's funny because I got, I got home and I said to the missus that um, the boys were trying to get me to stay another day and change my flight and actually one of the blokes did change his flight.

[00:51:20] Ayrton: He pretended, he missed it supposedly. 

[00:51:24] Wayne: She said, Oh, I would have been totally fine with you doing it, but that's what they say. They always say that when you're already home. Yes, 

[00:51:30] Ayrton: but if I'd stayed up there. Yeah, it 

[00:51:33] Wayne: was a lot of trouble. You can make your own decisions. You get back and they say there's nothing wrong with it and you get the cold shoulder for a few days.

[00:51:41] Wayne: So true, so true. Thank you. Been 

[00:51:44] Ayrton: worth it. Yep, great, great show again on The True Thirst and we will be back next week. Um, great to talk to you again, some, some varied topics and I'll be interested to see, uh, if Jack hears what you've had to say, particularly today. 

[00:51:57] Wayne: What a spring carnival to talk about, uh, next [00:52:00] Monday.

[00:52:00] Ayrton: Yeah, so after you, I'll get a Derby Day report for you and a Melbourne Cup tip which I'm, I'm, I know you will dive deep into the form. Uh, that's another episode though of The True Thirst. See you, Duck.