Season 1 - EP #37 - Hooray May, Oliver Twist and Duck goes full Attenborough

Season 1 - EP #37 - Hooray May, Oliver Twist and Duck goes full Attenborough

Hear Duck and Wool discuss the media affair around Clayton Oliver, as well as touching on Steven May's comments, Ducks tells his story of a trip to the zoo on the weekend.

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[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, we're back for another episode of The Truth Hurts. The footy season might be over, but we are still going. Duck a nice bit of product placement you've actually got going there. Just 

[00:00:07] Wayne: do it on the tee. I, I, I, you know what? I haven't had the, uh, Any branding? Still get royalties, do you, for wearing that every episode?

[00:00:15] Wayne: I wish. It's WC, not MJ. It's a very, uh, very different weekend. Well, 

[00:00:22] Ayrton: yeah, you'd be back on the circuit, wouldn't you? You'd be 

[00:00:24] Wayne: out amongst, you know, The sun's out. Footy season's up. No, you know what? I had a very quiet weekend, which might surprise some. Went to the Werribee Zoo. Oh, yes. Never been? Yeah. Have you ever been have.

[00:00:40] Wayne: I have, yeah. It's not a bad joint. Well, it's a little bit different than, you know, going to, you know, a bar or the Espy or something like that. Different set of creatures at the Werribee Zoo. This has always fascinated me about the Werribee Zoo. You want me to tell you? No, I'm not. At least, yeah. It was my first [00:01:00] time there.

[00:01:00] Wayne: And obviously the highlight. You enjoyed it more than the kids did, didn't you? The highlight of the zoo, well, you know, they were blueing. It's a tough, it's a tough day, uh, but you know, it was a, it was a, it was a nice, it wasn't too hot, wasn't cold, but you go to the zoo to see a couple of animals. Let's be honest.

[00:01:19] Wayne: We're not there to see the deer. We're not there to, you know, you're there to see the lions, you know, the wild dogs, the cheetahs, the leopards, if they've got them, the elephants, you know, all of the big, you know, even the zebra, zebras are nice and giraffes are nice, but you're there to see the things that can kill you.

[00:01:33] Wayne: Yep. True? Yes. Yep. Right? So the lions were fantastic, cause they, they were actually out. So the big male was the first time apparently the, the big male, the king of the jungle was actually there with his cubs, like was let out with the cubs. Cause so they, I don't know, they only looked about six months old.

[00:01:49] Wayne: So this Werribee, for 

[00:01:50] Ayrton: those who don't know, is an open range. Open range. So you're out amongst it on the buses out there. Yeah. 

[00:01:55] Wayne: Well, well. Yes, you can see the lines on the back, but this was where you walk up and just [00:02:00] look over the top. So, they weren't that far away, literally 25 metres away, and the big male sitting there, like I said, female, not far, he had two females and the cubs, and it was, you could stand there and watch them for a good hour, well I could anyway, kids were off playing on a truck that's there for just looks and, you know, it's all, you know, rusted out and they're playing on that, and the line's sitting there, and you go, what are we here for?

[00:02:25] Wayne: To play on a rusty old truck, or to, or to, or to look at the 

[00:02:29] Ayrton: line, so. Did you see a bit of yourself in that line when you see him with his cubs and his multiple, um. 

[00:02:35] Wayne: Oh.

[00:02:38] Wayne: It's a low buzzer, sorry. We can edit that out if you want. No, and well, he's very quick too. 

[00:02:47] Ayrton: I've thrown you, sorry about that. 

[00:02:49] Wayne: I don't know why I said that. You know what, it was an amazing experience. This is what fascinates me. When I was on the run, uh, and living up on the Gold Coast, I went to the, [00:03:00] uh, to the sanctuary up there and they had polar bears.

[00:03:04] Wayne: On the Goldie. On the Goldie. Now. That doesn't seem right does it? Well this is, and then yesterday in Werribee, so think about, you know, the sun's coming out now, but think about the whole year round. Yeah. Those lines. would be freezing their bums off. They're not used to really cold weather, are they? So, and then you've got up on the Gold Coast where it's warm all the time, you've got polar bears.

[00:03:26] Wayne: So why aren't the polar bears in Melbourne and the lions up on the Gold Coast? That's what I can't, and I've always, it's always fascinated me why we don't have the polar bears here. Yeah. 

[00:03:37] Ayrton: Well, that is interesting. It makes a whole other conversation. 

[00:03:39] Wayne: You can build a whole thing. But anyway, the wild dogs are disappointing.

[00:03:43] Wayne: I just wonder where it was you to know, because there was only one and it's stuck and it just stuck its head up bigger than you think the wild dog. Yep. They're, they're taller and mangy. People think they hyena, but they're very different to a hyena. Okay. I'm a bit of a [00:04:00] Wayne Attenborough. No, so the wild dogs were disappointing, didn't get to see.

[00:04:04] Wayne: And the cheetah, um, the cheetah sat far too far away and just stuck its head up as well. Yeah, I saw the cheetah, yeah. So, I wasn't, I wasn't overly, uh, and then the bus, the bus tour, I saw more rabbits than I saw any other animals, which, let's be honest, you know, there's rabbits everywhere, and they had burrows everywhere.

[00:04:24] Wayne: Did you see them? Yes, I have. Yeah, so, I'm not, I'm not at the Werribee Zoo to see rabbits. 

[00:04:30] Ayrton: It does sound like you had a better time, though, than we went there. So, we went there about a month ago, uh, my partner Katie and I, and our daughter Ayla, who's about, she's about 10 months old, so it was maybe a Maybe a bit too soon, but she 

[00:04:41] Wayne: cried.

[00:04:41] Wayne: I was flat out recognising you. She cried the whole way through. I actually saw you there, I saw a big silverback. They were, they were good too, sorry. The big, there was three big silverback. Um, they were, they say, did [00:05:00] you know that a chimpanzee, Now, I'm sure I'll get told if I'm wrong here, but apparently a chimpanzee is seven times stronger than an average man.

[00:05:12] Wayne: So that's seven times stronger than you now, not me because I'm more than average, right? Yeah, so probably, you know, two times stronger than me. I could see when you're about to deliver a gag Start smiling before you even say it So probably chimpanzees say two times stronger than me and seven times stronger than you, right?

[00:05:29] Wayne: Yeah, then you so what would a what would a silverback gorilla be that they yeah, they're massive. They're an impressive beast Yeah, what who would win that who would win out of a gorilla and a lion? Uh, 

[00:05:44] Ayrton: I'd back the, I'd back the gorilla, wouldn't you? I don't know. I don't know. Who 

[00:05:47] Wayne: are you? Who are you? Oh, look, I don't want to see people or animals fight, but it would be interesting.

[00:05:54] Ayrton: Maybe they'd be smart enough to stay out of each other's way. That 

[00:05:57] Wayne: would be huge though, wouldn't it? It would be. [00:06:00] So anyway, so I had a great time there. You know, walked around, you know, some really wholesome 

[00:06:06] Ayrton: content from you. It's 

[00:06:08] Wayne: great to hear. Well, very different to, you know, every other weekend of 

[00:06:12] Ayrton: other years.

[00:06:14] Ayrton: It was just so nice to wake up and not feel terrible. So after, after a solid social month, it's nice to have a weekend off as well, but it's hard because now that it's getting warmer, it's much easier to just. Gets five o'clock where I was around and have a little quiet 

[00:06:29] Wayne: beverage, isn't it? Oh, well, when the sun's out and the birds are chirping, it's very easy to just settle in somewhere.

[00:06:35] Wayne: The other thing that, um, I caught up with Dennis Pagan. Oh. Corey McKernan flew down from Queensland, had to catch up with him for a little bit and then he took off. What, just to catch up, no reason or? No, well, well, yes and no. So, uh, Dennis wanted me to do a little favour for him, for a friend of his, just some North memorabilia.

[00:06:56] Wayne: But, um, Dennis has done me a lot of favours [00:07:00] over The Truth Hurts, which was, uh, which was awesome. But the reason why I bring it up is because I said to Dennis, I'll come to your house. And then I realised I had Charlotte and Carter with me. And... They were both just, just tipping over the edge. So I picked them up.

[00:07:15] Wayne: They were, it was about 4, 4. 30 in the afternoon. So they've been at school all day, tired, hungry. Getting a bit ratty. Oh, just, oh, ratty as. And I thought, oh, do I go? And then I, so I thought about tooting the horn out the front. Because I knew what was going to occur. And I thought, no. So I went up, rang the bell, went in.

[00:07:37] Wayne: And they're just, just all like, like jumping over the couch and, you know, running around the house. And, and the one person you want your kids, the fear that we have of Dennis Pagan and how well behaved we were. You know, not behind closed doors, but you know, um, certainly in his eyes and just, you know, just doted on [00:08:00] and petrified of these kids walked in his front door and just ran all around the house, jumping on the couch.

[00:08:05] Wayne: Oh, can we go in here? And he's going, yeah, of course, of course you can. Kids have a look around. And they said they, yeah, they took that literally and started running. You're worrying about what they're going to break or what they're, Oh, it was, I've never been more. Like, I was seriously sitting there embarrassed and I got in the car and I go, Surely you kids could have like at least behaved in there.

[00:08:25] Wayne: Do you realise who that was? And Carla goes, Yeah, your coach.

[00:08:31] Wayne: Like, they took this great joy out of embarrassing me in front of the great man. That'll, that never happen again. How was, how was Dennis? Is, is going? Yeah, he was good. He was, uh, he was up and about. He was, he's, uh, cracking a few gags and Yeah. Got any horses? He got any new horses. This for, uh, didn't get in, didn't, didn't, uh, chat long enough to find out what, uh, new horses got.

[00:08:52] Wayne: Well, he just signed the jumper for him and then got outta there. Yeah, but, well, I had to the kids, some with him was about to be broken. And Dennis pulled out a photo of him and I, [00:09:00] um, with the premiership cup. It wasn't on display. It was in, in a cupboard. And he pulled it out and the kids, because we look a fair bit different now, but at least the kids recognised who we were.

[00:09:13] Wayne: Oh that's you dad, that's your coach. Um, and that's about as quiet as they were. So, I'm glad that, um, got out of there with nothing broken. 

[00:09:24] Ayrton: Good stuff. Well, uh, it is that time of year, it is that time of year. That was horrendous. Where, uh, we can enjoy a few more social events now that the football, uh, has wound up.

[00:09:36] Ayrton: I noticed Stephen May, he'd certainly enjoyed himself at the Melbourne Best and Fairest. Why, why do you say? Well, he admitted himself he wasn't expecting to be on stage for an award, so he had maybe... He 

[00:09:47] Wayne: He's a good fellas, Maisy, I like Maisy. You've run into him a few times? No, well, yeah, I've met him, um, met him a few times, but he's...

[00:09:55] Wayne: Just from what you hear? Yeah, he's, well, yeah, we've had, had a few run ins with [00:10:00] some teammates, we know all of that, but, um... You know, that can happen, that can, you know, sometimes you don't see eye to eye, but, uh, in general, the people that I speak to, they say he's a good fella. What I did love about what he did on the weekend, though, I loved his honesty.

[00:10:15] Wayne: Well, we're going to play that audio 

[00:10:16] Ayrton: first, and then we're going to get your response. So there was Stephen May, he didn't 

[00:10:23] Wayne: hold back. Well, I, I love that. I love that. And I, I'm happy to say that. That occurs a lot and a lot of players think it. I'm prepared to say that we were the best side in 1998 and we lost to the Adelaide Crows.

[00:10:39] Wayne: Now I know the Crows, they're the grand final, they're the premiers, okay, but we were a better side than the Adelaide Crows. Quite simple. They beat us on that day. Now what Stephen May was saying is that he thinks that they're a better side than, they didn't get there. A lot of people say, That Essendon were the best side in 99, they never got to the grand final, did [00:11:00] they?

[00:11:00] Wayne: No, they certainly didn't. Yeah, but a lot of people think they're the best team. Yep. So, why can't Stephen May have that opinion of his own team? I thought it was refreshing, um, he didn't seem overly fresh, but it was great. Why do we want all these players to be stiffs and not say what they really think?

[00:11:20] Wayne: Oh, 

[00:11:20] Ayrton: the Collingwood fans have cut up rough because they believe that, you know, Stephen May has, you know, they've gone out in straight sets and he's looking down on Collingwood winning the flag. That's why they're getting upset. 

[00:11:29] Wayne: I think Stephen might have been giving a little bit of a barb to his own team, maybe.

[00:11:36] Ayrton: So at those end of year functions, often you do speak about the future, don't you? And what should have happened, what we're going to do. I'm sure when you broke up, as you say, at the end of 98, you would have had some honest conversations. Or maybe not in public, but 

[00:11:50] Wayne: at least amongst yourselves. I think the night we lost the Grand Final in 98, I promised...

[00:11:56] Wayne: Everyone at the function that we went to that we would win in 99. [00:12:00] Oh, you did. It happened to come true. But yeah, you do say things when you're emotional and you, and you know, sometimes they come true and sometimes they don't. You'd rather he cares though, 

[00:12:12] Ayrton: at least than, than I 

[00:12:13] Wayne: will. Well, let's be honest.

[00:12:16] Wayne: They beat, they beat Cotlingwood, um, during the year. They only just won that game, I think it was 3 points, they should have won by a lot more from memory. Yep. Then they lost close, a close game, um, in the, in the, in the final, right? So they lost that, another close, so for me, and a lot of people say, you know, on stats and all of that, if you believe all that, they probably should have won, given all of the chances that they gave themselves.

[00:12:43] Wayne: So. He's entitled to have that opinion. Collingwood will be forever known as Premiers, and Melbourne will be forever known as going out in straight sets that year. But, I don't, I don't necessarily disagree with what Stephen May said. I don't think, I don't sit there and [00:13:00] think that Collingwood's, automatically Collingwood's a better team than what Melbourne are.

[00:13:05] Wayne: Collingwood are the Premiers. 

[00:13:07] Ayrton: So, just before we leave Melbourne as a topic, I do want to, I saw, I picked up on something that Josh Jenkins said during the week, I think on SEN, um, about Melbourne's Ford line, because that was the big talking point about, you know, the D's maybe not getting the scores from their inside 50s.

[00:13:20] Ayrton: He said he thought that Jacob van Royen was not a number one Ford. What, what do you, what have you seen in, uh, as a, as a fellow Ford watching Jacob van Royen and his 

[00:13:30] Wayne: development at Melbourne? Probably haven't seen enough to make a, a full assumption. Yep. 

[00:13:37] Ayrton: So 28 goals in, in what was his first season of footies, you know, early twenties.

[00:13:42] Ayrton: It's a 

[00:13:42] Wayne: pretty, it's not a bad, it's not a bad result. No, it's not, you know, when, and, and, and once again, for me, it's, it wasn't just their conver it was their, it was their synergy, was the way they, they moved the ball forward. Their decision making going forward was really poor, um, in a lot of their games, and [00:14:00] that's why invariably they didn't get 

[00:14:01] Ayrton: there.

[00:14:01] Ayrton: Well, still on the D's, and, and Clayton Oliver's been a huge talking point to start the trade period. Oh boy, they've 

[00:14:06] Wayne: given us some fodder. Haven't they? So, it's, 

[00:14:09] Ayrton: These, uh, scenarios are fascinating because, you know, we've got Trade Radio, Hutchies, uh, Baby Now, which is, you know, hugely popular with the fans and they 

[00:14:19] Wayne: need content.

[00:14:20] Wayne: How many, how many listeners do you reckon they've got? Oh, okay, 

[00:14:23] Ayrton: well, they, they say they're hugely, hugely popular. From my understanding... How 

[00:14:26] Wayne: many people really tune into the trades? From my 

[00:14:29] Ayrton: understanding, it is their biggest... Time of the year in terms of, uh, you know, AFL. com as well in terms of articles and, and people engaging with their stories.

[00:14:39] Ayrton: There is a view among some of the faithful that the Clayton Oliver story is like a media, um, beat up, for instance. So, you know, the story was that there were some off field concerns. Melbourne were maybe willing to have a conversation with a team or that teams were exploring whether they could get Clayton in a trade because he was [00:15:00] perhaps a dis bit disgruntled with how the club had dealt with him.

[00:15:03] Ayrton: Uh, I'm interested in your view on this and the whole way it played out. Do you think Melbourne's played a part in this in terms of maybe sending Clayton a message or is it a, is it a legitimate story in your, 

[00:15:16] Wayne: in me says yes. Yeah. Yeah. I, look, I think that has happened a lot over the years, I think there has been a lot of things leaked from footy clubs to certain people in the media to, to ride up, to get, to pull a player into line or put them on notice.

[00:15:35] Wayne: Um, no question at all. Have some coaches done it? Yes. Do I think Simon Goodwin would do that? Probably not, um, but has someone else at the footy club? Maybe. I think it's worked out. Their silence for a few days was deafening. Yeah. Um, and very well played, I think. If what you hear and what you've [00:16:00] read, once again, believe very little of that, but what you hear is, um, Somewhere around the truth, or there's an element of truth to it.

[00:16:10] Wayne: And I think they, they've played, they've played it really, really nicely. And that, and, and if Clayton Oliver, What I, what I do get, um, confused by with everyone saying, Oh, Clayton Oliver, um, you know, needs to straighten up. Mate, the bloke's won four B and Fs. He had an injury, uh, season this year. He's still their best player.

[00:16:33] Wayne: So the concerns that they have around his, his training and behaviour and all that, it's obviously sort of blown up into something a little bit more this year, given the frustration that he's had. 

[00:16:43] Ayrton: So they would have tried some things internally to get him into line, because the public response and maybe leaking something, we're not saying that 100 percent have done that, but the way it's played out, it would have to get to a certain level before they would That's a last resort, isn't it, for...

[00:16:58] Wayne: Yeah, it is. [00:17:00] And, you know, I'm not concerned about Clayton Oliver getting himself mentally right, given that he's done it before. And the game's littered with players that, you know, that have needed, apparently, a little bit of guidance and have come through. 

[00:17:18] Ayrton: What about the way he treats, uh, people at the footy club, for instance, because that...

[00:17:22] Ayrton: Yeah, 

[00:17:22] Wayne: well, that's something that I've read, but I don't necessarily believe it. I haven't heard anyone at the Melbourne Footy Club say... How im... 

[00:17:27] Ayrton: Oh, let's take, take it... of utmost importance. Let's... So, you think it, you know... In terms of the way your club functions, because you come into contact with a whole lot of support staff day to day, from the tea ladies to, uh, your physios or whoever.

[00:17:43] Ayrton: So, you're saying that is 

[00:17:44] Wayne: really important. Oh, it is really important. I mean, you know, you only, all you, all you strong clubs just have, you know, it is like a family and it doesn't matter whether you're the boot starter, whether you're the, you know, whether you're the, the tea lady, [00:18:00] um, you know, the CEO, the president, you treat everyone the same and you acknowledge everyone and you come in and.

[00:18:08] Wayne: Yeah, those people, a lot of those, a lot of people at footy clubs are volunteers. And, you know, they give you their time and all that they want from you when you walk in is they want a smile and a hello. And maybe a conversation, sit down and ask them how their week's gone or, you know, you know, might have a son that's just had a child so they've become a grandpa.

[00:18:29] Wayne: You know, there's all these different things and you ask about those things and it makes their whole day, it makes their year. And then, you know, they just love seeing you play good footy. So those people are ultra important. 

[00:18:42] Ayrton: How long did it take you to realise that? Because I'd imagine when you come onto the scene as someone, you know, a young star and...

[00:18:50] Ayrton: Yeah, you're the man about town and all those sorts of things, I'd imagine that can get to certain players heads, don't know if it happened with you, but when did you realise about the importance of those [00:19:00] conversations, uh, at a footy club? Was it later in your career or did you? 

[00:19:03] Wayne: No, being a Wagga Wagga boy, I was, I was always...

[00:19:07] Wayne: I guess a people's person in that. So 

[00:19:10] Ayrton: no one ever pulled you up and said Wayne 

[00:19:11] Wayne: on that? No, no, no. Not when it came to relationships at the footy club. I got along, got along with everyone. Um, you know, always acknowledged anyone. I thought Dennis Pagan when he got to the footy club he took it to a whole new level.

[00:19:24] Wayne: Um, in the way. You know, he just, he would acknowledge everyone, um, you know, and even supporters. He would go out before training, go out and chat with supporters. I don't know how many coaches do that today. So, he, he really did, um, set the standard. But I, everyone, we, we had a group that was quite humble when it came off the ground.

[00:19:49] Wayne: We had a lot of country boys that had no problem with, you know, we, we would go around and have dinner. Like I went around and had, um, dinner with a family and Michelle's still with us and [00:20:00] parents have passed away now and great, great people. But you know, she would always take on a group of us. She did my washing and ironing for many years.

[00:20:09] Wayne: At that stage she was a supporter, come to training all the time. Um, like I said, beautiful family, we'd go around there, uh, once a week and eat dinner. Um, the dinner was like a roast every Monday night and it was just, you know, I'd, I'd choose that. It changed actually over the years, but, yeah, the amount of stuff that, you know, those people do and, and, and still then after I, I believe then, you know, the adopted, when I say adopted, then took on, you know, someone else that they did it for and there's so many of those families that do things like that for people.

[00:20:43] Wayne: Um, you know, and four players at footy clubs and they're, and they're loved and they're cherished. Judy Francis, well known, you know, uh, cooked and, and Jeannie, you know, they, they did so much. Cooked soups, albeit you find a bandaid, bandaid in the soup every now and then, [00:21:00] probably not ideal. And Judy won't mind me saying that, God love her, uh, wasn't the best soup.

[00:21:07] Wayne: And, I mean, they're the sort of people where you walk in after training, and the big pot of soup's there. And I'd walk in, and this is the relationship that you'd have with her. I'd say, what's the soup today? And if it was, you know, vegetable and, you know, whatever. I'd say, so is that out of a can, or have you cooked that?

[00:21:26] Wayne: She goes, oh, you're a smart aleck. By the way, she didn't say smart aleck, she said something else. Oh, you're a smart aleck, Kerry. She said... I cooked it. I said, okay, I'll give that one a miss. Let me know when you get it out of a can. So that type of banter, 

[00:21:41] Ayrton: um, They are what make footy clubs go around, even at local level as well.

[00:21:46] Ayrton: So yeah, Clayton. So 

[00:21:48] Wayne: back to Clayton. I think he'll be fine. I really do. I think they've now, I think the lessons there, they'll now wrap their arms around him, I reckon. Put some money on Clayton Oliver for [00:22:00] the Brownlow medal next year. There you go. Interesting. And another best and fairest at 

[00:22:06] Ayrton: the moment.

[00:22:06] Ayrton: I'll go and have a look at what he's at money wise. Now there's a big social media reaction to this story from... Fans and media commentators alike. I'm just going to bring up a few tweets for you to respond to one from one of your favorites, Daniel Gorenge Hope Clayton is okay Got dragged through the mud all week by the media over a story that never had any substance to it.

[00:22:28] Ayrton: Now I don't know if substance was a play on words because he tries to be a little bit risque But Stephen Quartermain responded to Daniel Gorenge stick to your lane old mate. You have no clue about this story So Quartus has gone whack On Daniel Garnge. I wonder if you had any thoughts on 

[00:22:45] Wayne: that interaction on that interaction.

[00:22:47] Wayne: I love the interaction. But I'm not sure. I really like quarters. And, uh, obviously we had a bit of fun with Daniel earlier in the year. Um. Have you seen him around town recently? I have run into him a couple [00:23:00] of times. I think he might be dodging me. Have you had a conversation? No. I don't know whether he's seen me, but I've seen him.

[00:23:07] Wayne: Yeah. And what you reckon, then he's gone in another direction? Well, I don't necessarily think he's gone in another direction, but he hasn't wanted to engage. Oh! Which, uh, I would, no. Are you suggesting he's, he's, he's scared of having... Oh, you idiot. No, I'd like to, I'd like, but just on that, on that, um... bit of banter between the two.

[00:23:30] Wayne: I think Daniel's allowed to have an opinion on whether the media, and the media were quite harsh on Clayton Oliver. I mean, there's other players out there that have, you know, done a hell of a lot worse than, you know, apparently, apparently what Clayton's done wrong and hasn't had the media coverage. So, I don't disagree with that.

[00:23:51] Wayne: Um, the court is having him say, um, stay in your lane. I think you're allowed to have an opinion. [00:24:00] So, I'd probably, I'd probably agree with Daniel. I'm not sure he's out of his lane by having an opinion about someone being bashed up in the media. I think that's there for everyone to see. There 

[00:24:11] Ayrton: was substance to the story though, wasn't there?

[00:24:14] Ayrton: Because Melbourne ended up putting out a statement suggesting Correct, correct. There was substance, 

[00:24:18] Wayne: uh, but maybe some, yeah, maybe not as much substance as, uh, grant Thomas work. Good work. Grant Thomas. 

[00:24:25] Ayrton: Moving. Moving on. 

[00:24:26] Wayne: Duck. Moving on. Not sure how many substance. Moving on. We're moving 

[00:24:28] Ayrton: on. Grant. Thomas. Now Grant, we often bring up on this show because he's a left field thinker and he's, I like Grant and he's 

[00:24:35] Wayne: prepared to say he was one of my first coaches.

[00:24:38] Wayne: At, did you know, know that? No. He was, he was an assistant coach under Dennis, uh, under Wayne Shiel Bush. Was he? I didn't, I I didn't know that before he went on. Well, that, that sort of kickstarted him in the a f l, uh, world. There you go. Mm. Yeah. Okay. So I do know Grant very well and, and do like some of his views in his opinions, very strong in them.

[00:24:58] Wayne: Well, he is 

[00:24:58] Ayrton: prepared to say things [00:25:00] that. That other people aren't. So this is Grant's tweet. Interesting how we unfortunately hear about Clayton Oliver's off-field trials and tribulations. Now, part of his rehab program is to move into Captain Go's house. I can only assume the coach had been living at Go's house as well.

[00:25:14] Ayrton: Question mark. Fish rots at the head. Pretty difficult putting unconditional social demands on players when your ultimate leader. Ultimate leaders pick and choose with a couple of emojis in there as well. So he's fired a few shots at Simon Goodwin there So 

[00:25:30] Wayne: don't throw The, the saying is don't throw rocks if you live in a glass house, don't throw bricks if you live in a glass house.

[00:25:37] Wayne: You know, Grant's been at a footy club, he's had issues at the footy club that he's been in charge of. So. What are you referring to there? Well it's, there's been a lot, every footy club has issues, he's had, they've had issues with people higher than him at his footy club, there's been issues with players that he's coached.

[00:25:54] Wayne: All sorts of stuff. And you do, you wrap your arms around them. You don't sit back and, and he should probably know better [00:26:00] than anyone that what's reported isn't anywhere near true. Especially when it comes to the coach, Simon Goodwin. So I would have thought that he should know better when it comes to throwing those sorts of barbs.

[00:26:12] Wayne: at, you know, at Goody. 

[00:26:14] Ayrton: So just on that, um, the situation with Clayton moving into Max Gorn's house. So he's, he's got a young child maybe even another one on the way and they've obviously thought that this is you know, good for Clayton's life because, and one of the things was he needs some more sleep, um, supposedly.

[00:26:30] Ayrton: Uh, do you think if someone was needing some more sleep they'd move him in with you? They'd 

[00:26:34] Wayne: move him into your house back? No, the simple answer is Did you ever live with any teammates back in the day? Very, uh. Yeah, early days. Yeah, who are your 

[00:26:43] Ayrton: housemates back in the day? Um, 

[00:26:46] Wayne: uh, Johnny Longmire, uh, Stephen Hamilton.

[00:26:51] Wayne: I live with Mark. Mark Rampakash lived with us. The cricketer? The cricketer. Played for England. What about when he, he, he moved [00:27:00] in with Bomber and I, uh, we're living in Strathmore, and we're playing front yard cricket, and we taped up the ball, and anyway, we're, we're bowling to him, and we're, you know, getting him out regularly.

[00:27:10] Wayne: And we're sort of going, oh boy, you know, this bloke, he's playing for North Melbourne. Yeah. Um, and we thought, this bloke's no good. And then next thing you know, he's, he's back and he's playing for England. And Pobber and I are sitting there looking at one another going, we used to get him out all the time.

[00:27:26] Wayne: He didn't like living with us though. Why? You were too much for him? Well, yeah, we were, Um, during the pre season, you know, you train and then weekends, you know, you've got off and, you know. Because that's when he's 

[00:27:37] Ayrton: playing cricket. Yeah, he doesn't want correct. You 

[00:27:39] Wayne: blokes are correct. We were coming in and, um, yeah, he wasn't happy.

[00:27:44] Wayne: I think he, I think he might have told a few people that he lived, uh, with myself. This is, so then obviously my career's, you know, gone where it's gone and, and he's all of a sudden playing for England. And somehow someone asked him a question about living. With [00:28:00] myself and he's, and I think he said it was a bit of a nightmare.

[00:28:05] Wayne: He was a bit of a, uh, he was a bit of a, you know, geek. Ah, yep. He was pretty... Bit of a stiff. Yeah, he was pretty... Um, he didn't do much, you know, pack his own lunch, you know, Vegemite, well it wouldn't have been Vegemite, but whatever, pack his lunch and do that, you know, pack his cordial. 

[00:28:21] Ayrton: How does that even happen that you guys are living together, I don't know.

[00:28:24] Wayne: Because he's playing for North Melbourne in the cricket, so they thought, put him in the clubhouse with two footballers. Not a good, not a good mix, he did go on and represent England. 

[00:28:35] Ayrton: It's a trade period at the moment, uh, as we've said with Clayton Scenario, and there has been a whole lot of trade requests, some of them a little unexpected.

[00:28:42] Ayrton: Taylor Adams, uh, is one, someone who you would have said, you know, absolutely bled black and white over the past few years since his move from GWS. He's been a heart and soul player for Collingwood. He's had a couple of injuries at the wrong time of the year in recent times, uh, [00:29:00] again. You know, whether you believe all of what you read, but some of the conversation around his trade request to Sydney has been, he was shifted away from his inside mid role to half forward when Tom Mitchell came in.

[00:29:11] Ayrton: He wants that inside mid role at Sydney, who have offered him three years. He's only got one year remaining at Collingwood, so he gets some extra security there as well. And then there was some conversation around. Whether he thought Collingwood pressed him too hard in grand final week early in the week.

[00:29:24] Ayrton: He wanted the test, you know, on the Friday or the Thursday. He was tested on, you know, early in the week with his hamstring and consequently missed the game. And obviously he's missed out on a flag as well. And you wonder how that plays into it. How do you see that scenario? Do you think it's the right thing for Taylor?

[00:29:40] Ayrton: Can you understand it? And, and how do you, 

[00:29:43] Wayne: how do you sort of... It's, the, the, the footy world has gone a little bit crazy in some ways. There's things that are going on where the tail is wagging the dog, where the players actually have control. And then on the flip side now, like the clubs, you are indispensable no [00:30:00] matter who you are.

[00:30:01] Wayne: And no matter how... You're dispensable. Sorry, dispensable. No matter, not indispensable. You are dispensable these days. Yep. And, you know, he's one. You look at Treloar. He, he got, you know, shipped off. We obviously know what's happened with Grundy, um, and then the rumours around Clayton Oliver this week. It, it is, it is a different world.

[00:30:20] Wayne: So you've got to look after yourself is what you're saying then? Absolutely you do. And, you know, if it, if it is a three year deal and a guarantee that you're going to get more, more of a go where he wants to play, and obviously at the SCG too would suit him down to the ground. Yeah. Given his style of play.

[00:30:38] Wayne: I, I think, you know, great career move. So 

[00:30:42] Ayrton: the, the missing out on the grand final one, I find an interesting one because we've spoken about it from a medal point of view. Do you think it'd be hard to go into work every day seeing your teammates knowing they've won a grand final when you know that if you were fit, you would have been part of it?

[00:30:53] Wayne: It can, it can tear you apart. Well, I, you know, we've had this conversation before, not [00:31:00] missing out or, or, or losing one stays with you forever. And that might be just the fresh start that he needs is to get away from this joint that. Um, you know, it's given him a lot, but at the same time, just a complete new start and some extra years on the contract, as you said, stability.

[00:31:19] Ayrton: What I always love at this time of year is seeing fans overrate their players in terms of what they're worth. I'm not, this is not denigrating Taylor Adams at all, I think he's a really solid footballer, but I find it interesting as a 30 year old who's had some injury issues, who had been maybe on the fringe at Collingwood towards the end of the year, or when I say on the fringe, you know, he wasn't in the role that he wanted to be.

[00:31:41] Ayrton: And, you know, Pius fans are saying, oh, it's a, it's an early sec, it's a, you know, it's pick 23, or it's this and that. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out now, because Collin would have already said, well, he's contracted, and Sydney have to get in Brodie Grundy from Melbourne as well. So, what's Taylor Adams is, is, is, to me...

[00:31:59] Ayrton: As someone who's [00:32:00] given, he's given great service. Does that, that plays into it a little bit for Collingwood, does it? It has to play, yeah. So Collingwood would say, well maybe it's a late 30s or it's a 40 

[00:32:08] Wayne: or something. You would think so. Yeah. You would think so. And I, I think we, we do see that a lot, don't we?

[00:32:12] Wayne: Where a player is given great service and they, they, they think that they can, um, you know, have a, Uh, or a longer career at a different club, they, they should bend over. And Mackay's a little bit different for North Melbourne, by the way, because I don't think he's really given them a lot. Yep. You know, he's, he's been there and he's, and he's, he's played, you know, some inconsistent footy.

[00:32:34] Wayne: He's played some great footy, but that's a very different circumstance to a 

[00:32:37] Ayrton: Taylor Adams. You can never doubt Taylor Adams application, could you? I guess that's, it'll be interesting to see, yeah, what happens with, I mean, you assume. Clubs always talk tough early in the trade period, you assume he gets it, you wonder what Collingwood are going to do now with, like I think he would have been reasonably well remunerated, what they might do with that cap space, whether that gives them any options to get another 

[00:32:59] Wayne: name in.

[00:32:59] Wayne: [00:33:00] Well there's so many, you know, there's so many names being thrown, we've got a Coleman medalist at Carlton. In the other Mackay, who some people, you know, were saying when Oliver was talked about, you know, will Oliver go to Carlton and then, you know, Mackay straight to Melbourne, that fix their forward woes.

[00:33:17] Wayne: You know, it really is the crazy season, isn't 

[00:33:20] Ayrton: it? Yeah. What do you think about, Clayton's got seven years left. Aaron Norton then comes out and signs an eight year extension, was it? What do you think about deals that are that 

[00:33:29] Wayne: long? Well, it's all determined. It's made up by the, by the managers. So the managers go into the clubs and say, well, we've got an offer, you know, for instance, North Melbourne are prepared to give Aaron, you know, 8 years or 10 years, like the buddy deal.

[00:33:45] Wayne: Um, you know, you've got to at least, you know, give us 7 years or we're going. So, that's what I mean by the tail can wag the dog sometimes. But the problem is, if there, if there's an injury, To that player and you've [00:34:00] guaranteed that sort of money. So therefore can't go to another club Yeah, and you get stuck with that for the next seven years it is a big risk to take but it is all determined on supply and demand and A guy like Norton is a key position player.

[00:34:17] Wayne: The demand would be high and he'll Deserves what he gets but at the same time the Bulldogs. It's a big risk 

[00:34:24] Ayrton: Going overseas, we lost to India in the World Cup last night. Did you know the World Cup cricket was on? 

[00:34:29] Wayne: Been very quiet, 

[00:34:31] Ayrton: hasn't it? I used to get up every night for the World Cup back in the day. I would not have known.

[00:34:35] Ayrton: I barely knew this was on. You just wonder if 50 over cricket is just about, just about 

[00:34:41] Wayne: dead. Well, we haven't had the fanfare around it like we have in other years. Um, the fact that it's in India, you would think it'd be, you know, hugely, um, spoken about. You know, the home of, uh, the home of cricket and, um, yeah, I've hardly, hardly read anything.

[00:34:58] Wayne: Uh, hardly seen anything. Don't see [00:35:00] any advertising around it. Um, I'm in bed by the way, when it's, when it's on. 7. 

[00:35:05] Ayrton: 30. Maybe back, starts at 7. 

[00:35:07] Wayne: 30. But back in the day, I was probably, you know, just getting home so you could watch it. 

[00:35:13] Ayrton: Just while we're still on cricket, I know this, it might not interest you that much, but I watched the back end of this yesterday, Jake Fraser McGurk, he's a Victorian kid, he's early 20s I think.

[00:35:22] Ayrton: I know who he is. He was playing, he's a, I think they call him the rooster, he's a bit of a, he's a bit of a lad, he's a bit of a character. 

[00:35:29] Wayne: With a nickname like 

[00:35:30] Ayrton: rooster. Uh, don't quote me on that, it might be something different, but anyway, it's something like that, he was playing for South Australia against Tassie, he got 125 off 38 balls.

[00:35:40] Ayrton: That is, that is motoring. That is really 

[00:35:42] Wayne: sick. Reminds me of a knock I had. Um, kill or force. 

[00:35:48] Ayrton: What was it, what was it? What was your, what was your 

[00:35:51] Wayne: knock? Kill or force. A hundred and something off 30 a century before. Off 30 odd balls, yeah. How old were you at the time? I was 26, [00:36:00] 27. Oh, 

[00:36:00] Ayrton: so you were just, you were hitting young kids around the park, were you?

[00:36:02] Wayne: Yeah, well, well, couple of 13, 14 year olds and a 90 year old. You know, that's what Forth is, it's made up of really young kids, a bit like your second's team no, standards are much higher. You're, you're the, you'd be the youngest bloke in your second's team. No, no, no, they're all very young in that second's team.

[00:36:21] Wayne: Anyway, even though, you've still got to, you've still got to hit the runs. No, you do. 

[00:36:26] Ayrton: I I do laugh. 

[00:36:27] Wayne: I, I remember I did, I did win the average that year for Kilo Force , 76 or something. 

[00:36:32] Ayrton: I always think about, uh, where Loy was, um, just preparing for the Sunday footy show and they would just said, the cameras rolling.

[00:36:39] Ayrton: He just lu Stu low son over, 

[00:36:43] Wayne: just went over five late . I 

[00:36:47] Ayrton: think Lloyd, he was a bit annoyed that came out initially. Now, now he has a laugh about it. Oh, 

[00:36:52] Wayne: it's very funny. 

[00:36:52] Ayrton: Um, Some big names in town recently. Scotty Pippen was one for the A f l and n R l Grand Final. He was there as an N B L [00:37:00] ambassador. Um, what's a bit N B L?

[00:37:01] Ayrton: Actually, Jack Jumpers won, uh, cup couple on the trot. Um, who? They, I I, they're fantastic. I No, they are, um, I got told or that there were no mj, no Michael Jordan questions for Scotty. So he's being paid to appear and promote the sport, but he's not allowed to be asked about. The most famous basketballer and teammate of his, um, 

[00:37:24] Wayne: No, that, that's his decision.

[00:37:26] Wayne: Yeah. Yeah. 

[00:37:27] Ayrton: Do you find that, do you find that surprising? I mean, I understand why, because he was upset with the way he was portrayed in the last dance. Maybe didn't get enough 

[00:37:34] Wayne: credit. I didn't think that he was portrayed that poorly. He made a couple of blunders. He obviously signed a contract that he shouldn't have signed and then it invariably ended up not being enough for him because he was a superstar.

[00:37:45] Wayne: Um, he's a bit of a, you know, Bit of a sook, I guess. So, if that's the way he's been portrayed, then... He came across as a bit of a sook on a couple of 

[00:37:56] Ayrton: occasions. Yeah, so he was not happy with that because he was like, well, without me, [00:38:00] MJ doesn't have his title. So, that was his... 

[00:38:02] Wayne: Well, and that's true. But, yeah, I don't know why he wouldn't want to talk about him.

[00:38:08] Wayne: I guess if the whole conversation revolves around someone that... Yeah. You know, taking away that he was a superstar. He probably wants a little bit of focus on him. 

[00:38:18] Ayrton: He's got a great voice, Scotty Pippin. Got one of the great voices, I reckon. Real deep, sort of. Maybe I'll, 

[00:38:22] Wayne: I'd come... Yeah, he can be too deep.

[00:38:28] Wayne: Did you, you wanted to talk about... Voices, what I'm saying, not his voice. I'm saying some... Yes. He can be a little bit too deep. 

[00:38:34] Ayrton: You, um, you are right up with your pop culture at the moment, um, you, you've been watching Bex 

[00:38:40] Wayne: lately. I've had, I have been, uh, watching the David Beckham documentary, it is very, very good.

[00:38:48] Wayne: I, I'm not a massive soccer fan. And that's probably well known. Loved Kevin Musket. When he played at, uh... Hard, hard, tough as nails. Yeah, he should have been an Aussie rules player, Kevin [00:39:00] Musket. So I loved soccer, uh, during that time. Um, you know, obviously, you know, I've watched World Cups and different things and was fascinated around the Women's World Cup this year with Sam Kerr and what was going on with her injury and then got caught up in all of that.

[00:39:15] Wayne: But not hugely, um, not a huge watcher. Loved the highlights. So I know a little bit about David Beckham, but this documentary is, I think, I think better than Jordan's. What? Better than the last dance? I like it more and it's a soccer. Yeah. And that's amazing. No, because I, in, in Michael Jordan's like, obviously, you know, Michael Jordan's arguably, in my opinion, not that I would know, but the greatest basketballer of all time.

[00:39:49] Wayne: Subjective, you know. But he, you could see when Jordan was talking, it was, you know, you're talking about himself and how sort of good he was [00:40:00] and everything else. Which is all fine because he was, but I saw a real humbleness in David Beckham. And, um, You know, a guy that, what he went through, um, you know, after he missed, after he got fouled out of that World 

[00:40:16] Ayrton: Cup.

[00:40:16] Ayrton: Yeah, so red card in 98 against Argentina and then copped some horrible 

[00:40:20] Wayne: abuse. Just, yeah, but just his whole story, his whole story, I just find fascinating. I love the way he speaks about his story. Yep. 

[00:40:29] Ayrton: Um, 

[00:40:30] Wayne: I did like in there when he, I love that he looks vulnerable. He looks really vulnerable. You can see that he's right on the verge a lot of times.

[00:40:37] Wayne: On, you know, sort of breaking down. Yep. Um, and by the way, Victoria... 

[00:40:42] Ayrton: Well, that's where I was going to go. So, you 

[00:40:44] Wayne: saw the little bit... I actually think she's, like, I never realised she's very attractive. Well, she... You've 

[00:40:51] Ayrton: only just realised this now? No. She's part of the Spice 

[00:40:53] Wayne: Girls. No, I knew that, but I've never really thought...

[00:40:57] Wayne: And maybe it's because I didn't sort of know, but I think she's, [00:41:00] yeah, she's got something about her. The 

[00:41:02] Ayrton: story that Kate kept bringing up was when she, they were asking, she was trying to talk about her working class roots and she's, and she, she said, um, um, you know, I came from a working class family and here's Bex, pops his head right from the bedroom.

[00:41:15] Ayrton: You can only see the corner of his head. He says, Victoria, um. What car did you get driven to school in? What car did your dad drive to school in? She said, Oh, no, no, no. What car was it? He said, She said, Oh, no, it's complicated. You know, no. What car? A Rolls Royce. I don't think 

[00:41:30] Wayne: she was. That's not working class.

[00:41:30] Wayne: I don't think she was working class. No, I, anyone that's thinking about watching a documentary, whether you like soccer or not, it is just brilliant. And I think Victoria comes across, comes across as, you know, a great support, really, you know, a great mum. Um, speaks really well. I, I, they're my new favourite to, uh, Just 20 years late.

[00:41:55] Wayne: Yeah, I know, I know. They're past it now. No, but they just seem like a, just [00:42:00] a ripping couple. Um, being through everything, you know, to have their scrutiny that they've, you know, gone through in every aspect of their life. You know, he's, you know, I had no idea on how big he was either and like how big he was worldwide and wherever he went in the end and I guess the adulation and then the scrutiny and, you know, the, you know, people, the death threats and all sorts of stuff that he, he went through during that time.

[00:42:27] Wayne: It's, it's a, it's a really, really, really good watch. 

[00:42:31] Ayrton: Absolutely, and I've only seen part of it so far, but I've followed David Beckham's story as a Manchester United fan, so I definitely... 

[00:42:39] Wayne: Yeah, but you're one of those blokes. I'd pick you a mile away. Oh, well, this would be good. I can pick you a milo. What, like a real, what?

[00:42:45] Wayne: So you'd be a Man United fan, you'd be a Chicago Bull fan. No, I'm not. No, you're one of those wankers that just goes for the best team at that time in the world. What I will 

[00:42:59] Ayrton: [00:43:00] say about supporting Manchester United. No, 

[00:43:01] Wayne: is that true? I feel. Is that 

[00:43:03] Ayrton: true? Just let me speak. I feel, I do feel a little bit of guilt about supporting Manchester United.

[00:43:09] Ayrton: Uh, what I will say is it came from the Eric Cantona days. So he was just before their period. 

[00:43:14] Wayne: Well, he played Beckham, played with Eric. It was just 

[00:43:17] Ayrton: before their period of absolute sustained success. That's my, but I, I know where you're going with 

[00:43:22] Wayne: that. Um, there's a lot of people. I don't go for Chicago. So a lot of people have done it.

[00:43:30] Wayne: You know, when you were. Uh, about five years ago you were a Richmond supporter, then you, you 

[00:43:36] Ayrton: know, yeah. My football team hasn't won a final in bloody 20 years, so I don't know if I can 

[00:43:40] Wayne: be, um, accused of that. Hang on, when did you, ah, here we go. When did you start barracking for the Bombers? So my, 

[00:43:46] Ayrton: I started going for Essendon at the start of 96.

[00:43:49] Wayne: Oh, so right when they were playing pre lib finals and finals, he just jumped on their bandwagon as well. 

[00:43:54] Ayrton: James Seward was the reason I started going. You know, when you're that young, you gravitate towards, uh, and there was [00:44:00] North Melbourne going okay, but I didn't like the look of this Kerry bloke, so I thought I'd go for Essendon.

[00:44:06] Ayrton: I've got some, lots of listener and viewer questions to get through, Duck, so we've got to get to these. Um, this is from Nathan Smith. Good stuff, fellas. Keep it up. Don't let Duck, Duck out of the room or Duck the hard questions, so to speak. Well, I feel like we're doing that okay. You never, you ever feel under the pump in here, right?

[00:44:21] Ayrton: No, not at all. Okay. Duck, uh, oh no. Duck, any Players Strip stories? We're gonna, we'll do that a little bit. 

[00:44:28] Wayne: We thought we might do a segment on that. Yeah. A whole show on that. So that 

[00:44:33] Ayrton: was from Brandon. So yeah, we'll answer that a little bit later because you, you, you do. Yes, the answer 

[00:44:38] Wayne: is. Couple that we can go with on the truth hurts.

[00:44:41] Wayne: Uh, 

[00:44:42] Ayrton: the free agency compensation we've, we've spoken about in terms of whether that's deserving. We speak about that earlier, did we or not? Not really. No, so this is from Sammy Duck. I keep hearing about the ban of compensation. Or, that band, this band or that band with Essendon and Mackay, or Essendon doing a deal with the Saints on Gresham, [00:45:00] uh, sounds dodgy, surely that's not what the system is about.

[00:45:02] Ayrton: And I, I find that interesting even just this morning, Tom Doudé for instance, so he went to Brisbane as a free agent, Brisbane are going, uh, Adelaide are going to get an end of first round selection for Tom Doudé. So the first round. So that is dictated by the length of contract and the amount of money that's being paid.

[00:45:20] Ayrton: So clubs do this. Now they're schooling the system a little bit to get the other team a better pick and so then it Yeah, it helped, you know, if you help me I'll, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Do you think that's, do you think there should be compensation for free agents? Like, uh, Because, you know, could North Melbourne likely get pick three?

[00:45:40] Ayrton: You know, is that right for? Well, I think 

[00:45:41] Wayne: the idea of free agency is that you don't get, that they have a choice if they want to leave. And it's up to the club that they've been at to convince them to stay. Yeah? Yeah. Isn't that the idea of it? Yes. Yeah, well, probably not, but when do you stop it? Because there's already been, you know, [00:46:00] so many clubs that have been given compensation.

[00:46:01] Wayne: So do you, do you put a line in the sand now and say, okay, in four years time, then the rule is changing. So if 

[00:46:08] Ayrton: a bottom team loses, for instance, North Melbourne loses Ben McKay, a Ben McKay type player in five years, you're happy for that club to, to get nothing in return? Is free 

[00:46:17] Wayne: agency five years now? No, 

[00:46:21] Ayrton: no, no, no.

[00:46:21] Ayrton: I'm saying in five years if you're saying that's the 

[00:46:23] Wayne: time we cut it off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because if, you know, you should be able to in that time convince that player. Why is that player, the player leaves at that time because of a reason. I think more often than not it's probably money. you

[00:46:44] Wayne: know, I guess opportunity might be another one as well. In a different position or something like that. Yep 

[00:46:51] Ayrton: This is from user with a whole lot of letters and numbers You should change your name so we can read your name out a duck Any fringe players at Collingwood who [00:47:00] North Melbourne should target her out of contract out of contract or who are still contracted?

[00:47:04] Ayrton: With late draft picks who can bring depth in a big club culture and possibly play every week for the Kangaroos. That's a question without notice, I maybe should have given you a bit more time 

[00:47:12] Wayne: with that one. Um, no one off the top that I can think of. They're all 

[00:47:15] Ayrton: pretty established Colin, and they're young guys, they're probably not going to want to get rid of are they?

[00:47:21] Ayrton: Just on the, you, you brought up Bucks v Pendles last week, so this 

[00:47:24] Wayne: is from Pricey. Oh, how did that, how, did we get any feedback on that? Yeah, so this 

[00:47:28] Ayrton: is from Pricey. Imagine if Bucks captained or played on Pires teams as good as this. Bucks was the better player, but Pendles is a close second. So Pricey's saying that Bucks's teams were not as good as this team.

[00:47:40] Ayrton: Is that a fair, or? 

[00:47:43] Wayne: Um, I haven't really looked at it, but... Um, no, we're, we're not comparing teams, are we? So I guess Comparing their individual careers. 

[00:47:53] Ayrton: Part of, part of the discussion around Pendles was the fact that he, I guess that he'd been a part of two premiership sides now, and whether that [00:48:00] elevated him, uh, above Bucks because 

[00:48:02] Wayne: he's Well Bucks made the decision to play for Collingwood, and thought that they had a better list than Brisbane and North Melbourne, so, that's on Bucks as well.

[00:48:12] Wayne: So you were, you were into Bucks? Bucks, Bucks peaked. Bucks had done a deal with North Melbourne, had, you know, in theory done a deal and just hadn't signed on the dotted line. And right at, right at the end, um, chose Collingwood. So he left Brisbane. So he left Brisbane. So was going mid nineties or late. Was going to join, was going to join North Melbourne.

[00:48:37] Wayne: Yeah. And then chose, um, Collingwood and said they, he thought they had a better future. So he left Brisbane. So he missed out on your flags. Connected North and Brisbane's and never 

[00:48:48] Ayrton: won one. How would they have fitted you, you and Bucks under the cap? That would have been, that would have been. 

[00:48:53] Wayne: Well, yeah, it's probably, probably worked out.

[00:48:57] Wayne: No, he would have been, if we'd got, but imagine [00:49:00] if, uh, North Melbourne had got Bucks at that time. We would have been unbeatable. And by the way, Brisbane were a combined team with Fitzroy. 

[00:49:08] Ayrton: Yes. So I can understand why Brisbane were not the most attractive proposition at that time when he 

[00:49:13] Wayne: was... Well, Bucks was already there before that happened.

[00:49:16] Ayrton: Yes. I can understand why he wanted to leave Brisbane, is what I mean. Uh, this is from, uh, Willy Wanker. I hope Pendlebury breaks the game's record, which gives me the opportunity to bring up Boomer Harvey, who was let go by North in disgraceful fashion when he was fit and ready to go on the next season and break the game's record.

[00:49:33] Ayrton: Makes me glad I just cancelled my North membership. What did you think about Boomer's, um, that decision making around Boomer at 

[00:49:39] Wayne: the time? Um, what, should have he gone again? 

[00:49:43] Ayrton: Yeah, I feel like you thought at the time that maybe it was the right time for him to, to move on. 

[00:49:48] Wayne: Yeah, well, it's just, it's a bad opportunity in who you've got coming through and in terms of positioning as well.

[00:49:55] Wayne: So if Boomer's taking up a spot that, you know, you want to get some game time into, [00:50:00] we've seen it. The game's been littered with, you know, those tough decisions over the last few years. Was it right? Did he have another year? The one thing I will say is Boomer would have been fit enough. His body was certainly sound.

[00:50:11] Wayne: Yeah. Um, it's just whether they thought someone was being starved 

[00:50:14] Ayrton: because of it. Now, there was maybe a push for a more defensive, uh, side to a forced game and would 

[00:50:21] Wayne: that be? Yeah, well that's, and that's the other point of it. And that, and they're the things that we, when you're not, you know, inside the four walls that we're not aware of.

[00:50:30] Wayne: Yep. 

[00:50:31] Ayrton: So the grand final moments, and this feels like almost an eternity ago now, but this is from Mal. Uh, Darcy Moore didn't throw his medal down. This was before the medal presentations. It was his headband and headband and mouthguard. Thank you. Could we have a chat about that? So thanks for that clarification.

[00:50:45] Ayrton: Uh, this is from Matt Murphy I listened the other day when the king declared Brisbane and I thought geez I hope he's wrong and if he's wrong, I'll give him shit in the next podcast. LOL. So Matt, I've passed it on 

[00:50:56] Wayne: Well, I've said it. I've said it a lot Collingwood [00:51:00] supporters should be thanking me. 

[00:51:01] Ayrton: Walk with swagger I love so many parts of that game But side bottom kicking that goal from outside 50 was my favorite Cause I wasn't sure he could make it.

[00:51:09] Ayrton: And I felt the same way with it. That 

[00:51:10] Wayne: was a huge kick. A beautiful kick. And Chris was the same. I mean those, those kicks, Dugowie, we know he's got the distance. But I thought, you know, their big moments, and we said this, uh, last week, their big moments were bigger. Uh, 

[00:51:24] Ayrton: Al, anyone who's ever played footy should know better and know a medal handed out to a non playing player of the grand final would mean nothing to them and have no sentimental value whatsoever.

[00:51:33] Wayne: Well, I, well I disagree because I think there are players at clubs that it would mean something to. Not all of them, but there would be some that would say, you know what, I, I do treasure this. And they would say to their kids, you know what, little Tommy. I played, I didn't play in a grand final, but the year Collingwood won that Premiership I played 12 games in that season.

[00:51:57] Wayne: So I didn't play on the day, but I helped, [00:52:00] I helped that year to, to, you know, so they got to that day. And there would be players that would actually cherish that. 

[00:52:07] Ayrton: Ah, this is from Peter Ayrton. Nara, your discussion about who should a member of a playing group receive a Premiership medal or not. Hmm, contribution to the effort.

[00:52:15] Ayrton: I'm certain Taylor Adams had more effort off the field. Then Billy Frampton did on the field, played 91 percent of the game, had two possessions, three metres gain. Worst effort by a player in any grand final in recorded history. That's a bit harsh 

[00:52:28] Wayne: on me. Yeah, that's a bit harsh, but it does bring up the point that yes, now Taylor Adams comes across to me as a guy that probably wouldn't want it, I wasn't a part of it.

[00:52:42] Wayne: But, um, in saying that, he did contribute more to that premiership than. And then Frampton. 

[00:52:49] Ayrton: Well he did. Yes, overall. Yes. Yeah. Uh, John Shield. Great show again, Wayne. I think it's the first time in my life I've seen a Ford Billy Frampton play as a backman on a backman. If it was planned, then Craig McRae is a genius.

[00:52:59] Ayrton: Then Baby [00:53:00] Lemonade, Frampton beat Cam Mooney in 99 for possessions in a grand final duck. Ha ha. Yeah. Does Cam Mooney go to your, um, Reunions? It's, it's 

[00:53:10] Wayne: next year. And will he, and will he? Well, he'll be invited. Of course he will. But has he gone in the past? Well, we, we, I can't remember the last one we, uh, can't remember the last one we had for 99.

[00:53:21] Wayne: Actually, yes, I do. I do remember it now. Was in Fitzroy. Uh, was he there? Can't remember. Okay. Can't remember. But I would assume he'll be there. He was a part of the team. Yeah. He played, remember, he was a guy that played during the year as well. Yes. He didn't just come in for the 

[00:53:38] Ayrton: grand final. Different time where he, where he got barely any game time in the grand final.

[00:53:42] Wayne: Exactly right. So that, but that's a big contributor. It wasn't like he was out on the 

[00:53:46] Ayrton: ground. Ah, this is from Cale. Best grand final so far this century. In order. He's, so Cale's put them in order. So 2009, that was, was that St Kilda Geelong 09? Yep. 2002. Um, [00:54:00] Brisbane, Collingwood, 2005, Sydney, West Coast. 

[00:54:04] Wayne: I think people get confused with a close grand final being a good grand final.

[00:54:09] Wayne: Total 

[00:54:10] Ayrton: of hard fought. 2018, uh, Collingwood, that was West Coast win over Collingwood. That was, that was a pretty good game for you, that was. And then he's got at number 5, 2023. Does 2023 sit behind all of those grand finals, do you reckon? 

[00:54:23] Wayne: Uh, I don't. Once again, rating something that... Ugh! Isn't that our whole business?

[00:54:31] Wayne: Yes. Well, no, not really. No, it's not mine. It was a great grand final. I really, really enjoyed. Um, yeah. It's one of the best in the last few years that I've seen. I think 2018. Um, was an absolute ripper as well, Collingwood and West Coast. That was a beauty. And, and given, you know, how close it was in the moments, late in that game.

[00:54:54] Wayne: Those, those two stand out in the last five years. 

[00:54:58] Ayrton: Uh, this is from [00:55:00] Anthony. Question for Duck. Did he ever entertain a senior coaching pathway at the AFL level, and if not, why? 

[00:55:07] Wayne: I did. I, I worked at Collingwood actually, under Mick Malthouse. When in a 

[00:55:13] Ayrton: full time role or 

[00:55:14] Wayne: part time role, what was? Part time was ten hours a week.

[00:55:18] Wayne: So you just go to training, would you? Is that what you do? Ten hours a week. I was required to be there. Um, couldn't make it, uh, quite ten hours. And, uh, I remember you, you, DIDS and, and liquor, uh, Paul Licuria and Taz and all these guys and Travis Cloak was the centre half forward at the time. Yeah. And I remember rolling up there and my, I had a V eight roll up and , they'd hear me come in, I'd be be the first one at training, go in there, pump a few weights with the boys, go out and have a kick, and then they'd hear the car beating off.

[00:55:52] Wayne: So you just, they gave me a desk. You just do your bench press and then I gave me a desk and a computer. Yeah, the computer never got turned on. [00:56:00] 

[00:56:01] Ayrton: I couldn't imagine, so you know what coding is, you know the way they code games now. Yeah, I do, 

[00:56:06] Wayne: yeah. Well, I'm a more hands on man. Um, so yeah, I, yeah, I did and I remember I went to, they made the prelim that year, I think Collingwood got beaten the prelim.

[00:56:20] Wayne: Um, Travis Cloak won the BNF. The only BNF he won when I was there as the forwards coach, yes. Um, and I remember I went in and saw Eddie and Mick at the end of the year. Because there was an option to go for another year and I went in and I said, Oh, look, I'm just not finding the time. They said, Yeah, no, we mutually agreed.

[00:56:38] Wayne: LAUGHS So it was a mutual agreement that, uh, 

[00:56:42] Ayrton: It didn't run its course. Uh, just finally, uh, this is from Rogan. Now, you may or may not remember this. Not Josh. No. Joe. Different spelling. Um. There was something last week you brought up and I didn't, uh, I didn't quite understand what you're talking about and he's clarified it.[00:57:00] 

[00:57:00] Ayrton: I'm Mike Lowry. It was from 

[00:57:03] Wayne: Bad Boys. Bad Boys. Yes. . It was from 

[00:57:05] Ayrton: Bad Boys. So yes. Thanks for that clarification. And after 

[00:57:09] Wayne: he said that, I'm to say it was Will Swift 

[00:57:12] Ayrton: shit. Um, so thanks for that clarification. Um, as always, happy for you to pull us up on anything that we, we might, um, we might stuff, 'cause sometimes 

[00:57:22] Wayne: we fly by the seat of our pants a little bit.

[00:57:23] Wayne: Well, we, well that's all we do here. Um, 

[00:57:25] Ayrton: Duck, great to see you again. We've got some special episodes coming up, so keep an ear out for them. Uh, we're gonna delve into some, uh, off season stuff, some trade stuff, and maybe some players trips as well. So, uh, look forward to those, and I'll catch you again we've