Season 1 - EP #35 - How to handle big game pressure, who needs to stand up in the GF and Duck the Farmer

Season 1 - EP #35 - How to handle big game pressure, who needs to stand up in the GF and Duck the Farmer.

Join Wayne Carey and Ayrton Woolley as they jump into episode 35 of the show.

Hear Wayne & Ayrton preview the GF, Brownlow and who will take home the Norm Smith.

Ayrton and Wayne also discuss Friday night's umpiring howlers, Duck's weekend away as a Farmer and much more.

Chapter markers:

0:00 - 8:08 - Duck’s weekend away in Port Fairy, visiting the dog he gave away!

8:08 - 10:42 - Collingwood vs GWS and the Umpires putting their whistles away in the last 10 minutes

10:42 - 15:00 - Daicos tackle was it a free-kick? Jordan DeGoey what a star!

15:00 - 17:30 - Duck on the blues being a premiership fancy for 2024

17:30 - 20:20 - Duck on dealing with the pressure of playing in a GF and captaining the team and how Darcy Moore will handle the week.

20:20 - 22:20 - Duck on the Grand Final parade and getting hit in the head with streamers.

22:20 - 24:19 - Duck on Joe Daniher and the pressure he will feel to have a BIG game along with Charlie Cameron

24:19 - 26:50 - Daniel McStay out, who replaces him? What it’s like to miss a GF.

26:50 - 29:00 - If you  have played over 10 games in the year, Duck says you should get a Premiership medal.

29:00 - 30:10 - Can Brisbane win at the MCG?

30:10 - 32:08 - Duck’s take on the AFL ticketing fiasco.

32:08 - 33:15 - Do you put a tag on DeGoey or Daicos?

33:15 - 38:20 - Duck’s tip for the Grand Final and why Brisbane will in. Ayrton is tipping Collingwood.

38:20 - 40:20 - Duck’s tip for the Norm Smith and Brownlow

40:20 - 42:05 - Duck on Danielle Laidley documentary and what he thought.

42:05 - 43:35 - Australia’s Rugby Union dilemma and has Eddie Jones worked out?

43:35 - 45:15 - Rugby League and how exciting the Penrith and Brisbane GF will play out.

45:15 - 47:38 - Ayrton needing a break from sport and having a drink.

47:38 - end - Listener questions answered.

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Transcript

Truth Hurts episode 35

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[00:00:00] ayrton: Well, we're back for another episode of The Truth Hurts Duck. It is great to be fresh. I feel like we've reversed rolls a bit this week though. How are you going? What? 

[00:00:06] wayne: No, I'm, I'm good. Are you? You know, I don't get hangovers, which is a little bit of a concern and, uh, people, you know, generally if you do, it puts you off.

[00:00:16] wayne: The fact that I don't, doesn't put me off. But I had a great weekend away, and we always talk about what we got up to. I went down to Port Ferry. Do you know where Port Ferry is? No, tell me. Well, it's just past Warrnambool, right? Beautiful little, uh, beautiful little town. A lot of my mates, a few of my mates, um, all got brought up there.

[00:00:36] wayne: They, you know, country ferries. Port Ferry or Port 

[00:00:38] ayrton: Ferry? What? Can you say that properly? 

[00:00:41] wayne: Port, well I can't even say your name properly. Port Ferry. 

[00:00:44] ayrton: Port Ferry. Not 

[00:00:45] wayne: Port Ferry, like the... Oh, okay, Port Ferry. I know where Port Ferry is. So, went down there. It's crowded in Newtown. I'll tell you what I did. So a mate of mine, uh, Johnny Mack and his dad Mick, they took my dog.

[00:00:57] wayne: So I had a, we had a Kelpie, [00:01:00] right? And obviously the city didn't have enough time so we thought, you know, it's a bit cruel to the dog so we, we put him down on the farm. So we went to visit Frank. Down on the farm. Now, be fair to say, Frank's not, not, um, although he's a sheepdog, he's never rounded up sheep, so he's learning off the other Kelpies.

[00:01:17] wayne: Now, Mick's got about 30 dogs out there, and about 8 cats, and, you know, the cows and sheep and that everywhere, and whenever I go into a setting, and you won't be surprised by this, I go, I just go into, it's like a role. I thought I was ripped off Yellowstone. 

[00:01:36] ayrton: I couldn't imagine you doing anything sort of hands on 

[00:01:40] wayne: farming.

[00:01:40] wayne: Well, it's very good. I'm scared of horses, for starters. So, when I say scared, I just, you know, I'm not a massive... You keep your distance. I keep my distance. And anyway, they had bloody wild brumbies and everything out there. They're running everywhere. So I was just, uh, I was on the quad bike. I had Carter on the quad bike and I can ride it, I can ride [00:02:00] a bike, so I had a bit of fun with that.

[00:02:02] wayne: But we had to, we had to catch this horse, right? So everyone's there, you know, trying to, you know, like I said, all think they're off Yellowstone and I'm just sort of hanging back, you know, not, not getting involved. And invariably I played a big role in actually catching the horse. Of course you did. Yep. I did.

[00:02:18] wayne: I did. Anyway, we saw Frank. Frank. You know, a little bit on the skinny side, probably because he's, uh, running so much and he's not the, he's not the alpha dog. But had an amazing, just spent the whole day, well not the whole day, but pretty much the day, and then saw a tiger snake on the road, saw, well actually a fox ran under the car.

[00:02:39] wayne: Um, saw a koala on the side of the road, by the way, I think the fox was in a little bit of trouble, but the koala was fine and the snake, uh, went back into the bushes, so no one was hurt. Um, but ducks out back adventures, but we, but we saw all these different. Um, different animals and as you can imagine, Carter was just, he was like [00:03:00] a kid in a candy store.

[00:03:01] wayne: Had an absolute ball. It was one of the, one of the best days. So thank you to Mick for, for looking after. So Frank's 

[00:03:06] ayrton: going okay. Just that, that was the 

[00:03:08] wayne: bit that I, I, Yeah, yeah, he's going okay. You know, when, when you, when you're on the farm, he probably doesn't get the cuddles and that, that he got when he was, uh, when he was with us, but he, he, uh, He gets to run around.

[00:03:23] wayne: He's got a lot of mates out there. He's got a bit, a bit, a bit of space to run around. Anyway, in town, Port Fair, what a beautiful place it is. Cause I've been there a few times, but I've generally just seen the inside of the pub. Um, great place in the summertime. So all the accommodation, right? That's where we stayed.

[00:03:40] wayne: I'm not doing this to get a to get free accommodation for those that think they can. Sounds like it. No, but Tim Aldi is down there. He's a journalist in actual fact. And he's, you walk in and he's got all these celebrities up. So you, you know, you've got Tony Shaw and there's Dougie Hawkins and, you know, uh, Angus Brayshaw.

[00:03:58] wayne: Um, you know, he, he's just [00:04:00] got all, oh, Damien Oliver. Lots. Fair to say mine's going to be front and centre now because he's got a picture of me. But, we went, so we stayed there, it was a beautiful spot, right on the beach, he opened it. So you're up on the wall now you're saying? I'll be up on the wall. That actually reminds me.

[00:04:16] wayne: So I want to say thank you to Tim though because, and once again, he, he, he was very, uh, look, never known a, an owner of a venue that came in, so we watched both games, both finals. there on Friday night and Saturday afternoon. Invited, half the town came and Tim, he just rolls up, he rolled up. Carter needed some batteries for this little mask thing that he bought.

[00:04:41] wayne: He went and bought him some batteries. He came in, he was cleaning up. After everyone, because we're obviously having a few quieties watching the footy, and he actually came in and was cleaning up. Like what a, you know, how many owners do that? So, so thank you very much to Tim down there. Your, your 

[00:04:59] ayrton: story about [00:05:00] having blokes on the wall reminds me of this, this little Greek place up in Collingwood that we went to one night as a sports team.

[00:05:06] ayrton: Tony, Tony Jones was... He was not shouting, he was, he was leading the charge though. Uh, and he was, this guy was quite excited about Tony being in there. And he came over and said, you've got to see, um, I won't put in the accent, you've got to see my, the, the other, you know, celebrities or people who've come in.

[00:05:21] ayrton: And we thought it must have been legit, because at the time, Leighton Hewitt was actually in the front of the restaurant. But he said, oh, Dermot Burton, he's been here. And so he whips out this photo that he's had up on his wall of this older looking blonde guy, wasn't 

[00:05:34] wayne: Dermot. It's Dermot. It's Dermot. It really wasn't Dermot.

[00:05:39] wayne: It wasn't Dermot. He went and put it 

[00:05:41] ayrton: back 

[00:05:41] wayne: on the wall and he's like, mate, you can't. The amount of times that I've gone into a place or a venue and they've got a jumper up on the wall and it's not signed by me, and it's personally signed, it's not my signature. And you don't want to say, oh. Sorry mate, but [00:06:00] that's, I definitely didn't sign that joke.

[00:06:01] wayne: So people are forging that stuff out? Well it does, it happens. It happens a lot. What a weekend by the way. What did you, what did you think of the, the finals? 

[00:06:10] ayrton: Yeah, I mean I was a bit disappointed that GWS cause now all those Collingwood fans I, I gave a slap to last week have been in my ear, so. So I've got it 

[00:06:18] wayne: wrong, so I was wrong again.

[00:06:20] wayne: So I predicted a GWS Brisbane Grand Final, so. You get half right. Collingwood fans should. And because every time I tip against them, You've written them off. Every time I tip against them, they win. So they should absolutely. And, uh, credit, credit to Collingwood. They, you know, they've, they've done it again.

[00:06:39] wayne: They've won another game by a close margin. Um, Um, you know, as, as, as harsh as it is, and you feel really, really sorry for, for, um, for GWS. I mean, what a, what a, what a season they had, you know, they were out, out, um, for all money and then to get themselves to that position and, and just miss out on a grand final [00:07:00] huge effort by them.

[00:07:00] wayne: But I just want to talk about that game quickly because the umpiring in the last 10 minutes was pathetic. 

[00:07:08] ayrton: So there's this, uh, perception that the umpires put the whistle away in finals. Well they do, well 

[00:07:12] wayne: they do, but if the free kick's there, it's there. And I'm not talking about the head high, I'm not talking about those.

[00:07:17] wayne: I'm talking about dragging the ball in. Now, Collingwood are clearly trying to, you know, to protect the game. They're milking the clock. They're one point up, right? So they, they, they're diving on the ball and they're dragging it in, dragging it in, dragging it in, and there was no, not one free kick paid for, for that.

[00:07:35] wayne: That to me, that's, that's actually, that's poor umpiring. It really is. I, I, I was really disappointed in that and I can't believe how much I actually got into that game. I was, I was really. It was a tense game that game, absolutely. And, and you know that third term, they were one, I reckon they were one goal away from maybe breaking Collingwood's back in that third term.

[00:07:55] wayne: If they just got one more and they do, 'cause they dominated that period of the game and [00:08:00] then Collingwood got that one back and then all of a sudden Collingwood had their little run on. So, uh, you've gotta give, you've gotta give them credit. It was, it was ripping. But like I said, I was disappointed in the end only because of the, the umpiring and I, I thought it was, yeah, I didn't think it was great.

[00:08:13] wayne: But it's 

[00:08:14] ayrton: interesting when the umpiring, because often we say in finals, the umpiring can be better when they don't pay the ticky touch wood free kick. So I'm happy, 

[00:08:22] wayne: I'm happy for them not to pay. Tiki touch would free kicks, but if you know, if it's there, it's there. You can't 

[00:08:29] ayrton: not pay it. Fair bit to, to dissect from the games.

[00:08:33] ayrton: There was some, you know, some moments in the games you spoke about the umpiring and some of the tackling. So you're, you're okay with the, the Toby Green, you know, Nick Dacost's a free kick. Fair. Nick Dacost's tackle was an interesting one. So it was a little postscript and I thought Adam Kingsley wanted to make a point of it in his post match because he said he was frustrated that, so Dacost has tackled Brent Daniels who's hit his head on the ground.

[00:08:55] ayrton: The AFL arc has said you've got to take him off and do a concussion test. And so he hasn't [00:09:00] been able to play the last five minutes of the game. Dacos has got off. Did you think there was anything in that or? You wouldn't, you wouldn't want to have seen. Mr. Grand Final. Mr. Grand Final. Do you reckon if it was earlier in the year it would have been 

[00:09:09] wayne: a problem?

[00:09:10] wayne: Ah, it might have been. Once again, once again, we're. We're discussing what we already know, and that's the inconsistencies in the AFL 

[00:09:22] ayrton: and how they go about all that. Okay, so not a big issue there. Righto, so rotations. Jordan Ngo is off the ground for the last eight minutes of the game. The bigger one for me was, not a big name, but Kieran Briggs, GWS ruckman, was not there in the last five minutes.

[00:09:34] ayrton: Um, Lockie Keefe was having to ruck, and when you got... Ball up after ball up. Yeah. Like, should clubs be more, I understand the ball is on the other side and I always think when a player knows it's their rotation they often will try and send the play on the other side. Obviously not happening in a pre lim.

[00:09:49] ayrton: But, should clubs be more conservative with taking players off in those final minutes? Is there a way around it or not really? Is it just luck of the draw? Oh, well. 

[00:09:59] wayne: [00:10:00] We all talk about the, you know, the sports science of it, and, you know, when it's your turn to come off and guys come off after a goal. You've also got to have a bit of a feel for the game.

[00:10:09] wayne: You know, and, and, you know, there's always exceptions to the rule. Like if, if you're a forward and it's your turn and, and it's, and it's set in stone that, okay, if, if it's at this stage and you kick a goal, you come off. If you haven't had a kick and you've just got a mark and then you've just kicked the goal and there's only two minutes to go before three quarter time, why are you coming off?

[00:10:28] wayne: Yeah. I mean, I mean that, that, that to me is just, I don't understand why that happens because you, you can often, you've just kicked one, you can kick one straight away. Yeah. Your confidence is up. The defender's a little bit, um, edgy because you've just put one through the big stick. So that to me is always, um, yeah, it's just not having a feel for the game.

[00:10:47] wayne: So you're right. You're right. And, and would have that made a difference? Probably. But as you said, Dagoe got caught off the ground. He had an amazing final, by the way. Jordan Dagoe. What a, what a, they, they just couldn't. As good as GWS [00:11:00] were with their, um, defense, defense and, and their pressure. Um, no one could tackle Jordan Dagoe.

[00:11:07] wayne: He's, he's just a bull. He, he was, he had an unbelievable game. 

[00:11:12] ayrton: Six day break for the Giants going into the game, um, versus the, the following night, it was Carlton who had an eight day break. So the AFL could have switched those games, but they wanted to give Collingwood the longer run in the grand final.

[00:11:23] ayrton: Did it make any difference, do you think? I mean, the Giants did look a bit tired in the last quarter, but do you think that was just a product of a taxing final? 

[00:11:31] wayne: Yeah, no, product of a, product of the game. Um, the game was, was, you know, uh, hard fought all the way through, very defensive game. Pressure was at a, at a very, very high level.

[00:11:42] wayne: So, um, does it make a difference? Uh, no. So, does 

[00:11:47] ayrton: that day, when they talk about a six day break It's a one point. It's a one 

[00:11:50] wayne: point. Yeah. Right? So if you win by a point, you're lucky. If you lose by a point, you're unlucky. Yeah. It's as simple as that. Um, so I don't, I don't think you can look at, you know, [00:12:00] just because they've had one last day.

[00:12:01] ayrton: That's fair. So on the Saturday, it was Carlton against Brisbane Blues, kicked the first five and you're thinking, oh no, it's going to be Carlton Collingwood grand final. They just blew them away early, didn't they? But once Brisbane settled, Carlton got overpowered a bit in the midfield, didn't they? And I guess that's been the concern for them at times, if Paddy Cripps is not having an influence.

[00:12:19] ayrton: They maybe can't stem the tide in there, even though Sam Walsh, you know, he's had a great final series. Yeah, 

[00:12:24] wayne: I, yeah, I, well, I don't, I don't think anyone watching that game wouldn't have been... You'd be concerned at quarter time if you're Brisbane, but I did think that they had the capabilities and the firepower to come back and it's a matter of if it's just a matter of chipping away and that's exactly what they did.

[00:12:42] wayne: They got that, they got the first goal and then obviously Carlton went basically two quarters with kicking one goal after their, after their five goal start. So, um, yeah, great effort by Brisbane. I think it. Invariably they've been, I think along with Collingwood, they've been the two best [00:13:00] teams. So they deserve to get through Carlton an amazing effort to do what they did.

[00:13:05] wayne: Um, in the end, probably, you know, they've a couple of their key. We, we know that Mackay, um, hasn't been anywhere near his best. What did you think of his game? From What do I think? Yeah. Ah, Just okay? Yep. Um, and obviously Kurno, you know, I think Jason Dunstall might have said that Kurno, he was a little bit disappointed in how Kurno went during the final series.

[00:13:30] wayne: What it does, what it does show you is when you are a guy like Kurno, and we'll talk about the grand final soon, but when you're a guy like Kurno, he knows going into that game that if he plays really well, they win. And if he, and if he doesn't perform, then the chances are they, they probably lose. So... Did you see any differences in 

[00:13:51] ayrton: the way Charlie was playing?

[00:13:53] ayrton: Did he look sore, or was it just that better, um, finals are tighter? Brisbane have 

[00:13:58] wayne: got it very good. [00:14:00] They're a bloody good defence. Yeah. And they work really, really well together. So, um, the focus, the focus and the, and the pressure just goes... up a little and, and he'll learn from the finals that he's played this year, just like all of those Carlton players, remembering a lot of them have never played finals 

[00:14:17] ayrton: before.

[00:14:17] ayrton: Yeah, well that was my next question, because, yeah, Carlton have got the taste now and often we, you know, there's a, I guess a thought that clubs need to have a taste before they can really elevate to be a premiership team. Where does the improvement come from for Carlton and do you think this does give them a platform for next year?

[00:14:35] ayrton: Oh, 

[00:14:35] wayne: without, without doubt. So all of a sudden, they've reached their expectation. We, we all, well I did, I've actually said it for the last few years, even though, you know. They got off to a bad start this year and we thought they probably couldn't get there. But we've had the expectation that this is where we think this list should be.

[00:14:53] wayne: So now, with that confidence in what they've done in the second half of the year, you take that through your pre [00:15:00] season and they come back bigger and better next year. So for me, Carlton would be one of the, um, you know, they will play the grand final, but if you're looking at the Blues, you're saying they're one of the Premiership fancies next year.

[00:15:13] wayne: In my mind, so just, just through natural improvement and having a taste of the finals this year. I think they go into a pre season feeling really, really good about themselves and as they should. When 

[00:15:24] ayrton: you, when we talk about a taste of finals, what Is part of that. Is it the dealing with the pressure of the week?

[00:15:32] ayrton: Is it dealing with the the higher intensity? Or is it what? What did you find that the hardest save of going into finals or the transition into finals from home and away? I think it's 

[00:15:42] wayne: I think it's all of the above. It's just the extra attention. You know, you all of a sudden you're going out of training and you've got a massive crowd there.

[00:15:49] wayne: So it's just getting used to all those, you know, I guess all those different circumstances that you don't get. during the home and away. Not so much on game. Once, once the ball's [00:16:00] bounced, I, in my opinion, it's like any other, it's any other game. So it's the lead up and then the mental preparation, uh, to the game that is, is the big 

[00:16:08] ayrton: difference.

[00:16:09] ayrton: So someone like focusing on the grand final now, away from Carlton, but for someone like Darcy Moore this week, I mean, there's, it's a, it's a huge week already. He's had media commitments now with his dad and the Dacos brother. So that's step number one. There's going to be huge crowds at training. There's a grand final parade.

[00:16:25] ayrton: How do you deal with that and make sure you're not spending too much, you know, mental energy because he's a, you know, he's a captain of the biggest club in the land and you've been through, you know, that when you've got expectation going to a grand final? Yeah, 

[00:16:38] wayne: I, I think you've gotta, I think you've gotta enjoy it.

[00:16:41] wayne: And not, well, clearly you don't want to think too far ahead. So you, you, each, each session, um, deal with that on its, on its merits. So you go to training, you go to training tonight, you turn up there, you're fired up, the sun's out, you know, the crowd's there. So you've, you've got a real spring in your [00:17:00] step.

[00:17:00] wayne: If you haven't, all those niggly injuries are just, they just disappear. All the soreness disappears, you've got that much adrenaline going through your body. So there is a difference in a lot of ways, so mentally and physically, for whatever reason, you've just got this, you've just got this real, uh, energy.

[00:17:19] wayne: And you go to training, you enjoy that session, and you get home, and you don't want to be thinking, you certainly don't want to be thinking about the game. So enjoy each, each, um, each step as the week goes on. All of the interviews, I don't, And, and clearly that's changed. So the captain probably does the majority of it.

[00:17:39] wayne: And what, and what McRae and others at the footy club and Leper and these guys would know, is there's certain guys that can handle the extra attention and then there's those that, you know, clearly if, if they're an over thinker, then you don't want them doing interviews or if they're asked to do interviews you're probably saying to them no, because you know that they probably can't handle it.

[00:17:59] wayne: [00:18:00] But I would think in Darcy Moore's case, he'll, he'll, uh, he'll handle, he's a very level headed young man and done a great job as, as captain of that footy club. But then you get to the, then you get to the parade and once again, that's all new. And I remember when we first made the grand final, that's one of the things you actually, I always wanted to be in, go to the parade.

[00:18:22] wayne: And then you, then you're sitting there in the car and you've got dingbats throwing streamers at your head. Right? And you can sort of go on top. And they're literally, you know, the crowd's right there. So it's, it's quiet. It's a little bit, uh, daunting. And, you know, you've got some dingbat calling you a flog and this and that.

[00:18:42] wayne: And, you know, so people are cheering for you. Other people are abusing you. People are throwing stuff. So then I worked out in, in, uh, I think it was 99. I, uh, the two, uh, Mark Dawson's two, uh, boys. I sat them, I [00:19:00] sat them next to me so I thought they won't throw stuff at me if I've got two little kids. And did they?

[00:19:04] wayne: Or did they back up? No, yeah, they, they, I, I got, uh, they were my protection. I put them, but, but enjoy, enjoy all of that. And then there's the little mind games that when you, when you stand up and as the captain you stand up in front of everyone. Although this year, are they on the river 

[00:19:20] ayrton: again this year? No, they've gone back to um, a more traditional, it's a different route but it's um, we're not, I don't think they're doing the boats again as far as I'm aware.

[00:19:28] ayrton: I think they're going over the bridge into Melbourne Park. Right. 

[00:19:31] wayne: Yeah. Okay, well when you're right at the end where they do that last shot where you hold the cup. Yeah. I remember when I did that with Paul Kelly, fellow Wagga boy, and I just made sure I just held the cup. A little bit longer. A little bit longer.

[00:19:45] wayne: So there's a few, you reckon he noticed? Oh, I don't know. Keller's pretty laid back. But I, I don't know. But they're, they're just the little, and I did that with Mark Bickley as well and we got beat. Yeah. So, yeah. But you just hold it, just hold it just for that little bit, [00:20:00] uh, try to, try to do 

[00:20:01] ayrton: mind games.

[00:20:02] ayrton: Before we leave that topic, the, the last part of that that I'm interested in is the final 24 hours leading into the game. So Friday night. Are you shutting yourself off from people you know, family, friends, or are you preferring to have people over? Are you sitting at home? Are you watching a movie? Are you, what are you doing?

[00:20:18] wayne: Yeah, watching a, yeah probably watching a movie, relaxing, not, not doing anything that you wouldn't normally do. So if you normally have people over or don't care if family or whatever come over and sit down and watch a movie with you or whatever it might be, then you keep it normal. You don't change anything.

[00:20:38] wayne: just because it's a grand final. So the key, I think the biggest thing and for me, and I've never really spoken about it a lot, and that is there are, there are some players that will be going into this grand final that, that understand that if they know that if they play a poor game, then maybe they lose the grand final.

[00:20:59] wayne: And I'm talking [00:21:00] about guys like, like Joe Denneher, as laid back as he is, and I love him. And by the way, he's been very good, but he, he, He would have a pressure on him that not too many other players, I think, in the grand final. I think, you know, if you look at, if you look at Collingwood, I don't think there's anyone in their team that, you know, were going in thinking, Oh, if I, if I play poorly, we, we lose.

[00:21:22] wayne: Whereas on the flip side, I think Brisbane sort of do have a couple of those. You know, I, I think, you know, Joe, Joe has a big game. I think Brisbane win. You know, and, and I don't, and I don't look at Collingwood. I think they don't have a reliance on any one individual. Yeah, so for me, it's, yeah, there's, there's, there's, I think there is a little bit of pressure on someone like Joe Denneher.

[00:21:47] wayne: First grand final, um, and I'm not trying to put pressure on him, but I'm, I think he would be feeling it. Charlie Cameron, I think would be, you know, understanding that, you know, he needs to have a [00:22:00] really big, And if they do, then for me, they've, they've just got way more firepower than what Colin would have.

[00:22:08] wayne: And, and with all due respect, Elliot, Elliot's a star, um, you know, obviously Cox will, will play forward, they're going to have to make a change now, 

[00:22:17] ayrton: McStay. Yeah, so what, what do they do there? So there's, it seems like there's a few options for Collingwood in terms of replacing Dan McStay. He's out, he's out for 6 8, uh, with his knee injury, so obviously that, no grand final, and it seems like he knew that before the final siren.

[00:22:30] ayrton: Um, from a key position perspective, Billy Frampton has been... A player who's played sort of both ends a bit of ruck at times, he could maybe go back, how it comes forward. Then you've got Taylor Adams pushing the return from his hamstring, he trained on Saturday and Jack Guinnevan's been the sub and he has provided a bit of a, a bit of a spark.

[00:22:49] ayrton: Do you, do you like him staying as a sub to provide that spark or has he done enough to be in the 22? So which, which way do you go, do 

[00:22:55] wayne: you think? Yeah, it's, if Adams is fit, he comes 

[00:22:57] ayrton: in. So you, [00:23:00] therefore you're going key position for a, a running player or a, or a 

[00:23:03] wayne: smaller player? Yeah, I, well, he definitely comes in Adams if he's fit.

[00:23:08] wayne: Yep. So whether they go with Ginnivan again as the sub, he's a perfect sub in a lot of ways. He has, he can have an impact in a short amount of time, come on fresh. So whether they do that again and just bring Adams in, so you're right though, a small for a tall. Um, it's going to be a warm day, they tell I think.

[00:23:31] wayne: And if it is a warm day, I think that, that suits Brisbane clearly, um, given that they train in, in warmer weather. Uh, so yeah, it's a, well, you know, it's a good concern to have, isn't it? McStay very unlucky against his old club, um, you know, to miss a grand final. And he's had his, he's had 

[00:23:50] ayrton: his problems. You had a few, didn't you?

[00:23:51] ayrton: You had a few guys miss grand 

[00:23:52] wayne: finals? Yeah, uh. Well, Jace McCartney missed in 99. Yep, got suspension. Yeah, rubbed out in [00:24:00] a prelim. Uh, we had, like, Ross Smith and Johnny Longmire missed out in 96. Uh, a horse because he hurt his knee, so he was... You know, those guys, you know, devastating when guys, Matty Armstrong, who played most of the year, uh, missed out.

[00:24:16] wayne: Um, it is, it is one of those weeks, you know, and, you know, look at, um, young Johnny Noble, you know, he's missed out on, on the finals, and he played every game, played every game. So, um, there's a lot of heartbreak, but through heartbreak, someone, you know, gets to, to live their dream. 

[00:24:31] ayrton: It reignites that debate, which we seem to have, you know, there's certain topics that come up every year at this time.

[00:24:37] ayrton: Um, I think you've had a view on this before, but I can't remember what it was. Premiership medals, because my feeling is if you don't play on the day, you don't feel part of it. But does the squad deserve, uh, is it a 25, or is it everyone who's played a game, or how would you, how 

[00:24:53] wayne: would you do premiership?

[00:24:53] wayne: Yeah, I think that if you've played a certain amount of games in that year, that you should get a premiership medal. Yep. [00:25:00] 

[00:25:00] ayrton: Is it 5 

[00:25:00] wayne: 10? Yeah, well, well, okay, so put a, put a figure on it. Let's say it's 10. If you've played 10 games and you've contributed a lot to that team for the year, and a, and a team, you know, 22 don't win you a Premiership, it is the squad that win, that invariably gets you to the Grand Final, and it's a team that wins on that day, yeah?

[00:25:20] wayne: So a squad gets you there, and a team wins on the day. What I will say about getting a medal if you, let's say, you put a cap on it, you've played 10 more games, you get a medal. Would you want it? Yeah. Yeah. That's the key. There would be some players that would say, Yep, I accept it and feel very proud that I contributed.

[00:25:37] wayne: And then there would be other players that would say, Nah, I really, nah, I don't deserve it because I didn't play on the day. So there, you know, there would be players that would love it, and there would be players that wouldn't. Um, but I think they deserve, they deserve one, irrespective of whether they want it or not.

[00:25:55] wayne: I've said that, I've said that for a while now, and a lot of people disagree with me. They say if you don't play, you don't [00:26:00] get it, but, you know, like a guy like Noble, who has got them there, and if he doesn't play, um, he deserves a medal. I think I've said this before. He won them, he won them games this year.

[00:26:11] wayne: Johnny Noble. 

[00:26:12] ayrton: No, he was really solid. That was a surprise, but there was always going to be a selection squeeze when they got their guys back. Um, I think I've said it before, and without relating, I know my local football career is a very different level to your, uh, to any AFL career. But I played every game and got dropped for a granny, and I wouldn't want a medal.

[00:26:29] ayrton: I wouldn't want a medal if they won. They didn't win, so it didn't matter. But you wouldn't want a medal, I don't think. Really? You're not part of it. 

[00:26:34] wayne: Yeah, well I think, well, but I think, like I said, there are, there are, Players that would think the same way, but there'd be other players that would sort of happily take a medal, knowing that they contributed to the team, um, getting there.

[00:26:47] wayne: It wouldn't 

[00:26:47] ayrton: be sitting prior to play, so I don't think as much if it... Oh, there would be some 

[00:26:50] wayne: players that would have. Really? 

[00:26:51] ayrton: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Uh, so the MCG factor is, is one that's going to be spoken about. Uh, Brisbane, I think, have won their past [00:27:00] six against Collingwood, but none of those games have been at the G.

[00:27:02] ayrton: They've been at the Gabba or Marvel. Brisbane hasn't won at the G for five or six years, but what I will say about that record is They've often come down here to play good teams They played richmond twice in their prime melbourne twice geelong and they did lose a game They should have won earlier this year against melbourne.

[00:27:17] ayrton: Yeah, so Does it mean anything? I 

[00:27:21] wayne: mean, nah, nah, nah, it's grand final, grand final day, I don't think, I don't think any of the players, obviously people in the media will talk about it, or dingbats on a podcast, but it doesn't, no, I don't think it means anything, and in actual fact, that game they played against Melbourne, they were 5 goals up with about 7 minutes to go, and Melbourne Melbourne, you know, unbelievably won that game.

[00:27:47] wayne: So I think they'd take a lot of confidence out of that performance on that day, but nah, not even, not even thinking about it at all, but it will be raised. 

[00:27:58] ayrton: Yeah, already I've, I've seen a lot of [00:28:00] their players asked about it, but I guess that's what we do in the media, Wayne. Boring topic. Okay, well I won't linger on it then.

[00:28:07] ayrton: You spoke about tickets last week. Now, uh, not so much sympathy for your tickets, but for the tickets for Collingwood fans this week has been a huge issue. Have you seen that in the last 24 hours? So, Collingwood today, just a short time ago, put out a statement. They want the AFL to raise the... The allocation from 17, 000 per club.

[00:28:27] ayrton: Fair enough. There was a lot of people who paid more than 1000 a year to have the top level memberships who weren't getting even a seat. It seems very strange to me, the way the allocation works. That if you're in that top bracket, there are people in the lower brackets who are getting tickets before you.

[00:28:44] ayrton: It's, it, it's Yeah, I mean, I know it's hard, but 

[00:28:47] wayne: yeah, it's not, yeah, I, you know, it's the same, once again, same topic, um, same result. We talk about it every year. I think it's a real shame that, you know, if you're, if you're a member and you've been a member, you [00:29:00] know, for, for so many years and then your team gets there and you can't get a ticket.

[00:29:03] wayne: I think it's, it's a real shame. It is a corporate, it is more of a corporate day than it is for the fans. And that's why we say, you know, uh, games on the weekend, 96, 000 or whatever it was. Um, and you had, you know, that, that, that, they, they're your diehard fans. They're the ones that you want, they should be at the grand final.

[00:29:21] wayne: Every Collingwood supporter and every Brisbane supporter should be able to get to the grand final if you're a member. And I know that's, you know, airy fairy and it's never going to happen. But yeah, you know, you buy your membership for that reason. To support the club and then obviously when you get to you know, they're hard to win And when you get to these big games, you want to be able to go and support your team 

[00:29:46] ayrton: Before we move on from the grand final just one final question.

[00:29:49] ayrton: It's a matchup question Josh Dunkley He spent time on Patrick Cripps Cripps. He looked sore. He had that big padding on his side kept him in 13 touches Do you put him on a Dugowie? I don't think anyone's really [00:30:00] put in any time to Jordy Dugowie, um, this year, but after that performance last week, do you need to give him at least a bit of touch?

[00:30:08] wayne: Well, well there's a few players you'd want to put a little bit of touch, uh, but I, yeah, Dugowie was unbelievable on the weekend. Well that's the choice, you mentioned, or Dacos then? He's a perfect match up. Yeah, I mean, or do you send someone to put a little bit of time into a Daykos? I mean, you know, he's a class act Daykos.

[00:30:28] wayne: It's his first grand final. He won't be over roared for me It's it's a fascinating game. I think that yes, you would want to put some time in to go You certainly don't want him to do what he did on the weekend because if he does that I think you know Colleen would probably win the game. So it's Unfortunately, and we've seen Dusty Martin not be tagged in grand finals and not put time in it.

[00:30:52] wayne: And we saw what Richmond was able to do. Yeah. I don't think you wanna make that mistake or teams wanna make that mistake. And I think de Goi [00:31:00] has that t type of impact for his team. So I would be putting some time into him without question. Um, I, I'm actually gonna tip, I actually think Brisbane, uh, wow, are going to win the premiership.

[00:31:13] wayne: And the reason for that, um, I think their firepower, I think they have, you know, their, their forward line, if, if they, if they do fire, um, then I just think they win. I, I think they're, they're stronger in the forward half of the ground than, than what Collingwood are. Um, McStay being out obviously for Collingwood, albeit, you know, he's, I think he played one of his better games on the weekend.

[00:31:37] wayne: Um, he's not a, I don't think he's a massive loss to Collingwood. But, you know, they, they need a guy like Majercek. I tell you, and I'm not... Jeez, you're laying to Brodie Majercek. I don't lay into... I hope he doesn't listen. No, because I'm a, I'm one of Brodie Majercek, right? Comes from Port Melbourne. Came from Port Melbourne.

[00:31:59] wayne: [00:32:00] He's, he's an old fashioned goer, does everything right, does the basics, you know, really well. Gives his all every week. But I would argue that if Collingwood do win the Premiership... With Brodie Majerczek being their number one forward. I would, I will throw this question out there. Would it be, well has there ever been a, a weaker, what I mean by that?

[00:32:25] wayne: Like without having a, uh, like in 17 when Richmond won, with Jack Riewoldt being their sole key forward, but Jack Riewoldt's a Coleman medalist, you know, um, gun, kicked over 700. So Brodie, Brodie Majerczek being the number one forward, would it be the, The strangest key position forward to ever win a Premiership.

[00:32:48] wayne: Well I thought 

[00:32:48] ayrton: you were going to go in a different direction there because the other way you were posing is this going to be the worst flag winner in a little while. But you haven't been brave enough to say that on air. I, I, 

[00:32:56] wayne: no, I, I think the Brisbane Lions of [00:33:00] 0 One, two, three would beat both of these sides by maybe, 

[00:33:06] ayrton: maybe, maybe 30 goals.

[00:33:08] ayrton: Funny you say that. I'm so annoyed with myself. I thought I took a screenshot. I've been madly looking for it on my phone because I wanted you to bring that up because another one of your favorites and a different ratings guy off social media, I don't know who he is. I've got to do some more research on this.

[00:33:23] ayrton: He's rated each team and each grand finalist. over the last 25 years based on some certain metrics comparing them to other teams. And if you were going to say this, these were weak grand final teams. I laughed because the 90, the 90, he started in 99, the 99 North team was one of the lowest rated grand final teams.

[00:33:43] ayrton: So I was waiting to pull that on you, but I don't have the screenshot, so I'm going to save it for next week. And who was 

[00:33:47] wayne: this Poindexter? I don't, 

[00:33:51] ayrton: I don't, I'm annoyed I had it here. I thought I was, I 

[00:33:53] wayne: was 99 was one of the weakest. 

[00:33:55] ayrton: Yeah, that was the, that, and Carlton was rated even lower, they were rated as [00:34:00] nearly the worst grand finalist out of the whole 25 years.

[00:34:02] ayrton: So, um, so you had an easy grand final opponent and your side wasn't that 

[00:34:06] wayne: good. And what, and what, and Essendon, who's basically had the same team in 99. And then won it in 2000. Some people saying that that's, that's one of 

[00:34:16] ayrton: the best team. They were the highest rated along with Geelong of 07 

[00:34:20] wayne: maybe. Okay, okay.

[00:34:21] wayne: And, and, and that team that's rated the highest didn't even get to the grand final the year before. So you know what Poindexter doesn't, doesn't measure? You know what they don't measure? They don't measure what's up in here. Right? They don't measure how a desire or a want or courage. They don't measure any of that on the day.

[00:34:42] wayne: Do they? Do they? I knew they'd push you a button So where did they rank the 2016? 

[00:34:48] ayrton: Look, I could look it up. This is really unprofessional. I was sure I had it 

[00:34:52] wayne: on my phone, but... Nah, well, well, no. I couldn't give a rat's what Poindexter thinks. We won the Grand Final, and [00:35:00] by the way, Collingwood, or, you know, Brodie Mycheck, if he's got a medallion hanging around his neck, he won't care, like, that he's, you know.

[00:35:09] wayne: Let's be honest. Most other teams, he's the, he's your third, he's your third forward, whereas at Collingwood, he's their number one forward. That's, that's my point. I understand. But an amazing effort for Collingwood to get, because if Collingwood had a key forward, a bigger key forward, then I just think, and a good one, right, I think they just win the grand final.

[00:35:30] wayne: It's their one, it's their one thing that they'd, I'm sure that they would want on their shopping list. Um. 

[00:35:37] ayrton: Come next year. For what it's worth, even though you haven't asked me, I'm tipping Collingwood. 

[00:35:40] wayne: You're going Yep. By what, two 

[00:35:42] ayrton: points? No, I actually think they're gonna do it fairly comfortably. Uh, I don't, Collingwood, I get it.

[00:35:48] ayrton: Why? I'll, I'll accept that. But I, I don't trust Brisbane. While I think individually in their midfield, they are, there's some great individuals, I think collectively they can be overpowered in there. And I think, um, Collingwood's gonna win the game. [00:36:00] And if Collingwood gets on a roll, I think they're gonna be very hard to stop.

[00:36:03] ayrton: Happy to be proven wrong next week. Okay, 

[00:36:06] wayne: so I'm going for, well I'm not going for Brisbane, I just think Brisbane will win the, the grand final. There you go. How many points? Um, 14. 

[00:36:16] ayrton: Okay, I'm commenting by 33 I'm going with. 

[00:36:19] wayne: Alright, 14 points. And, um, Norm Smith medal. 

[00:36:26] ayrton: Oh jeez, I hadn't thought about that, but yeah, keep going, 

[00:36:28] wayne: yep, yep, yep.

[00:36:28] wayne: Who's your Norm Smith? 

[00:36:31] ayrton: You're putting me on the spot here. Um, Nah, I'm going to reserve judgement there, give me five minutes on that, save that till 

[00:36:38] wayne: the end of the show. What about the Brownlow? You've got to have it, surely you, the Brownlow is on tonight? 

[00:36:45] ayrton: I'd like, I'd like Marcus Bonsapelli to win, but has he done enough to really nick Dacost?

[00:36:49] ayrton: Do you think, or are there others? Are there 

[00:36:51] wayne: other players? I'm not a massive fan of the Brownlow anyway, you know that. 

[00:36:53] ayrton: Yeah, I didn't think you would be. Will you watch or? 

[00:36:56] wayne: Yeah, I'll watch. Do you want to know why? 

[00:36:58] ayrton: Why? [00:37:00] Because you never won one. Yeah, no, I why you watched. No, I know why you didn't, why you're not a fan.

[00:37:04] ayrton: I know it hurt. You, you, you, you don't like to say it. You do 

[00:37:07] wayne: want one. Nah. No, I don't. I'm glad I'm in the category with, you know, some others like Lee Matthews and that, and Gary Ablett Sr. 

[00:37:16] ayrton: With Lee's record, it is phenomenal as 

[00:37:17] wayne: well, isn't it? What about Jason Dunstall kicked 140 whatever goals and didn't win the Brownlow that year?

[00:37:24] ayrton: Did he pole at all in that year? He came second. 

[00:37:26] wayne: Did he? Okay. Behind Scott Wyant. Now, now, now I'm sorry Scotty had a very good year by the way. What people forget is Brownlow, Brownlow medalists aren't necessarily great players. There are some great Brownlow, some unbelievably um, great players. But then there's some other Brownlow medalists that just had a really good year.

[00:37:47] wayne: So just because you've won a Brownlow doesn't automatically make you a great player. It means you had a great year. Um, but for me what it's worth I think butters. 

[00:37:57] ayrton: From Port Adelaide. Zach Butters. Yeah. Left field. Okay. Yeah. I mean he is [00:38:00] in the top five or six in betting I would suppose. So that's interesting.

[00:38:03] ayrton: So you think he's played enough? I mean his best games have been very good and he did have a period when Port were winning where he was nearly best on ground. Yep. In a lot of weeks. Well they won what, 

[00:38:11] wayne: 12 in a row or 13 in a row and I reckon he holds in a lot of those. 

[00:38:16] ayrton: Separately, footy topic, I've watched with interest, uh, I haven't viewed it myself, I've seen the preview, but you've watched it, uh, I believe, Danielle Laidley, um, so...

[00:38:26] wayne: Two tribes, what's... What did you 

[00:38:27] ayrton: make of it, uh, former teammate? 

[00:38:30] wayne: Uh... Yeah, I, I, fascinating, um, watching. I, I really enjoyed it. Sat there and watched it with a, a mate actually. And, uh, yeah, well, we're, we're obviously going to have a chat to Danielle on The Truth Hurts. So I'm looking forward to that. That's coming up very, very soon.

[00:38:47] wayne: And. Yeah, it's, you know what, in some ways, um, you watch it and you, and you feel, um, really happy, and then at other times you feel really sad because the burden [00:39:00] that she carried for so long, and then not able to be herself for so long. I guess, you know, living with that secret must have been, you know, terribly, um, sad at different times.

[00:39:12] wayne: So, like I said, you go through a lot of different emotions when you, when you sit there and watch and, um, and clearly as a teammate, having no idea what she was going through was, uh, yeah, it's, it's in some ways very sad. 

[00:39:27] ayrton: I look forward to that chat you're going to have and I guess it interests me because uh, Danielle, uh, as, as Dean at the time enjoyed some great success at North Melbourne and had a great career, and I guess if she lived in the time now, that may not have happened because she might have made the transition earlier.

[00:39:46] ayrton: I'd be interested in her thoughts about how it's played out and, and, you know, what regrets or... 

[00:39:50] wayne: It'll be a really good, we'll have a really good chat and, uh, yeah, like I said, really looking forward to, to doing that and for anyone that, uh, wants to watch it, it's on the [00:40:00] stand. Okay. 

[00:40:01] ayrton: Good stuff. Uh, I'm, I'm not a huge rugby union man, but I have watched with interest this unfold in the last week, particularly after the Wallabies lost this morning.

[00:40:10] ayrton: They lost to Wales 40 6. They're out of the World Cup, I believe. Um, Eddie Jones came back as this saviour. And he already had some, he'd already copped a whole lot of flack for when he left for England initially to coach. And, uh, you know, the whole trader thing, uh, and all that sort of stuff. He's come back as going to be Australian Rugby's saviour.

[00:40:32] ayrton: He's given a lot to all these journos along the way. And then this report came out the day before the game that he had had an interview with Japan about taking up their coaching role after the World Cup, even though he had a five year contract. With the wallabies now, he refused to talk about it after the game.

[00:40:48] ayrton: I wonder if that had any impact on the result. Does that stuff filter into the, to the dressing 

[00:40:55] wayne: room? Uh, it just depends on the strength of the playing group. Mm. And the, and, [00:41:00] and mainly the, and mainly the leaders. I mean, it is a, it is a, a, you know, clearly it's very different to, you know, a f l and, and the circumstances.

[00:41:10] wayne: It's a world game.

[00:41:14] wayne: It may do because of, so does it affect some relationships? Maybe, maybe it does. But I don't think that's the reason why they got beat by the way. No, probably they're just no good. Well they're not, yeah, they're just not where they would want to be. And talking about union, but what about league? Broncos and the Panthers through to the grand final.

[00:41:33] wayne: Been a remarkable turnaround by the Broncos. Um, to get where they've got. Young, young team, exciting. Um, against last year's premiers. It's, it's, it's gonna be a massive game this one. I'm really looking forward to the rugby. I know you don't follow 

[00:41:47] ayrton: it, but... I follow rugby league, yeah. Do you? I like to call it league rather than rugby.

[00:41:52] wayne: What you just... Well, I, I, I've always, I've always called it rugby, but then people pull me up. 

[00:41:56] ayrton: Oh, I have a, I have a bit of a, um, uh, [00:42:00] a financial interest in who wins the... grand final. Uh, so that I'll, I'll be watching. That's for sure. Why? 

[00:42:05] wayne: Who, who have you put your 10 on? 

[00:42:07] ayrton: Well, you know, when, you know, when Better, they made that scheme at the start of the year where they offered a hundred to one for, for whoever wins, a hundred to one odds for winning the grand final.

[00:42:17] ayrton: I put my 10 on, um, Penrith. So that's my interest in 

[00:42:22] wayne: the, uh, Oh, so you've got a hundred, uh, 10 at a 

[00:42:25] ayrton: hundred to one. Yeah. So thousand, thousand bucks. Um, so that's my hope for this week. I 

[00:42:31] wayne: will. Good luck. I hope Penrith wins 

[00:42:34] ayrton: for you. I do like the Broncos though. Um, I think they're, yeah, I agree. Should be a good game.

[00:42:40] ayrton: Disappointing end for the Storm though. That would be the only thing. Very un Storm like performance from them. 

[00:42:45] wayne: Yeah, well they keep giving themselves a chance though, Storm, don't they? They do. They've had injuries and, unbelievable footy club. Melbourne Storm. They just keep backing up year after year after year after year.

[00:42:59] wayne: They lose [00:43:00] players and they just keep producing players. 

[00:43:03] ayrton: I tell you what, it's hard when you talk about NRL Grand Final, AFL Grand Final, Brown Low, all this stuff coming up. It's a hard time of the year to have a break from the social activities. I had, I went up and, uh, to the Gold Coast and, um, hosted a function for a mate's footy club, Bond University, on Friday night.

[00:43:21] ayrton: Uh, then on Saturday we had a few beverages, um, at least kept it off, you know, I was free yesterday, so. But I think, I just need, I need a break. But then you think, well I'm going to have a drink for the Brownlow tonight, you can't not sit back and have a beverage tonight. Then, you know, I got footy club function Friday, grand final 

[00:43:38] wayne: Saturday, NRL grand final.

[00:43:40] wayne: It's uh, it's hard. You've got all these different, um, events on. So I've, I've going to a Brownlow function tonight. Um, Tuesday off, I've got another function Wednesday. I've got a luncheon Thursday. Um, so yeah. And then I'm in Brisbane Friday and then just for the day, just for the day and then [00:44:00] back. Um, so yeah, there's, there's lots going on.

[00:44:02] wayne: It is hard. You just got to be disciplined. So if 

[00:44:05] ayrton: you were to work the last however many grand finals, when was the last time you had a grand final where you went last 

[00:44:09] wayne: year? I didn't go. Oh, of course. Yeah. And, and the two before that, I didn't go because of COVID. So I haven't been to a few grand finals, but I, I, you know what I actually got for the first time in a long time, I got really excited on the weekend waiting for the game.

[00:44:27] wayne: Like, Oh, I couldn't wait to watch. Um, Friday night and then, and then the, you know, I got caught up in the, the emotion of it and then felt really bad for GWS, um, and then, and then come Saturday after coming back from the farm and the animals, I, I, you know, five o'clock or whatever, 5. 15 or whatever it was, couldn't have come around quick enough.

[00:44:48] wayne: I was, I just was really excited to sit back, um, with mates, have a couple of coldies and just watch, watch the footy. And it'll be the [00:45:00] same this week. 

[00:45:01] ayrton: When you have these functions that you go to, um, is there an expectation that you hang around and have a few beverages after? Is that, 

[00:45:08] wayne: or? Oh, some, some things.

[00:45:10] wayne: Not, not so much grand final week because there's, you know. There's just so many. There's just so many. And there's, you know, so many other people there as well. It's a little bit hard to stick around too long, but generally if you, you know, go and You go to a different event, you want to, you want to stick around and say g'day to the people.

[00:45:28] wayne: Not, you know, not, you don't duck in the back door and duck out the, you know, side one. That's what you would do. 

[00:45:34] ayrton: I'm sure some people do. Yeah. Anyway, we've got, moving on now to our viewer questions, and I've, I've got these, um, our listener questions even, um, I've started with a, with a big one. And you did even, for another time today, admit you'd been wrong about something.

[00:45:50] ayrton: This is from Aaron, I'm starting to worry about Duck making these apologies for being wrong and starting to think this could be Ducks Confession, like a place to go and soothe your [00:46:00] soul. Oh boy, 

[00:46:01] wayne: how long have you got? 

[00:46:03] ayrton: Maybe that's our breakout, Ducks Confessions. It could be our longest episode, wouldn't it?

[00:46:09] ayrton: Yeah. 

[00:46:11] wayne: No comment. It is 

[00:46:12] ayrton: called the truth, huh? No comment. Uh, you made some comments last week about Ron Barassi and the Cup. It was the week before, actually, and then it was picked up by others last week. Seems like the AFL's maybe going to, um, They're, they're perhaps thinking the cup is sacrosanct. Yep. Um, but there's a few, few responses.

[00:46:29] ayrton: Vernon, when Barassi took over at Carlton they finished 10th in a 12 team comp the year before and North Melbourne were wooden spooners before his arrival. If Shane Warne had the whole Southern stand renamed in his honour, then Ron is at least worthy of having the cup named after him. I guess the only question Mark would be, like a, a Warnie versus a Ron, um, the AFL is now a national competition.

[00:46:51] ayrton: That's been some of the commentary I've seen. Are we being too Vic centric in trying to name the cup after Ron at this stage, or? 

[00:46:58] wayne: I, no, I, [00:47:00] well, clearly the, the interstate teams haven't been around as long. It's what, it's what he contributed to the game and how long he's, you know, been involved in the game.

[00:47:08] wayne: It's got nothing to do with the fact that he's, you know, Victorian or not, it's, it's how he's standing. Yep. Don't turn it into a Vic, the, you know, WA or SA. So this is from Peter. 

[00:47:20] ayrton: Agreed, Duck. Gotta be the Ron Barassi Cup. 10 Premierships. His name is already on it. Great call. Then from Victor. And he, now Victor has had a few comments about you here and he's had another go and I think he's been justified, to be honest.

[00:47:32] ayrton: RIP Ron Barassi, but the Premiership Cup should not be named after him. Leave it alone. Stop trying to change everything. Uh, as a side note, once again, Duck showing his hatred for Collingwood. It's going to be a Collingwood v. Brisbane grand final and Collingwood will win it in a close epic grand final.

[00:47:49] ayrton: Who 

[00:47:49] wayne: said that? 

[00:47:50] ayrton: Victor. Victor. Because I think he's been a bit dirty on you 

[00:47:52] wayne: and Brodie Mycheck as well. Yeah, well, Victor, Victor, Victor will probably, might be right. Because let's be honest, I've, I got it, I, I tipped [00:48:00] last week. I was a, I was a point out, by the way. Like one point. But they're there. They give themselves a chance.

[00:48:07] wayne: I'm tipping Brisbane, Victor, but I don't have a 

[00:48:09] ayrton: hatred for Collingwood. Mr Anderson. I only think it should be the Wayne Carey Cup. I know Ron is a legend but the duck was the greatest of all time and it's not even close. What do you reckon? Yeah, good point.

[00:48:23] ayrton: Right, there was a few guys who I just want to highlight last week who got some, their tips right. Loving the pod gents. Pies will get up over GWS. 1 to 39 for some good coin. So that now seems very prophetic. This is from Tim, by the way. And honestly, I think the lines will be too, uh, good for the blues. Um, duck, Ari, Harry, Mackay, really duck a couple of shocking calls this week, mate.

[00:48:47] ayrton: One, Harry's better in the team than out. Charlie performed well solo, but needs[00:49:00] 

[00:49:00] wayne: Harry alongside him. Did he kick? I don't know, he took a few grabs. Yeah, no, I thought he was okay. Well, longer 

[00:49:05] ayrton: term then for Carlton. Okay, so we're going into this off season, this is the question I've got for you then. Because, although Harry has not been at his best, he does have currency. Do the Blues stick fat and say, we're backing you Harry, you're part of our structure?

[00:49:19] ayrton: Because if, if they get rid of him, they're going to need 

[00:49:21] wayne: another forwarder. They're not going to get rid of Harry Mackay, who, who suggested? Well that was 

[00:49:25] ayrton: the question six weeks ago, wasn't it? By a few commentators. 

[00:49:27] wayne: No, no, no, no, you wouldn't, you, no, you're keeping Harry, but like I said, Harry just needs to, he lacked confidence when he came back, and that's why he wasn't at his best.

[00:49:38] wayne: He'll have a good pre season, he'll come back and they'll be a, they'll be a great duo. 

[00:49:43] ayrton: So that was from Aussie and Texas, and this is from Scott. He's saying injuries are no excuse even in finals. I've said this elsewhere, I think if you cross the white line then you're fit to play. This is in regards to Port and Melbourne.

[00:49:54] ayrton: To say Port and Melbourne had injuries is an excuse in my opinion. Port went early on Hinkley. I think if you look [00:50:00] at his record over 10 years, they've made up the numbers. Uh, Melbourne, you mentioned Bren Brown, a hundred percent should have played. Are injuries an excuse? Uh, are they all, they're a reason.

[00:50:10] wayne: They're a reason. Okay. Yeah. The, the fitness teams generally win the premiership now. That's why G G W S really have no excuse for, you know, in terms of their fitness. You talked about a day break, but no, they, they went in a very healthy team, G W Ss, and, you know, you look at, you look at Collingwood, you know, if Adams gets up, then they go in pretty.

[00:50:33] wayne: They go in pretty much full strength. McStay, you know, obviously very unlucky. Um, so, yeah, a bit of bad luck, but then Brisbane lost Payne last week. It'll be interesting to see whether he gets up for the grand final. 

[00:50:47] ayrton: Ducks Clothing. I've labelled the next one just so I could really find this amongst the, the comments.

[00:50:52] ayrton: This was from Craig. The duck, a smart looking van, but next time iron the shirt please. Love the show, keep up the good work. So you might need to go back and [00:51:00] look at last week's episode to see what you're wearing and, and maybe assess. Can't remember. No, so that, I was a bit surprised by that because normally you are very sharp but, uh.

[00:51:08] wayne: Yeah, well I think it's the, the, the shirt that I had on for memory I think is, that's the style. 

[00:51:14] ayrton: Oh, that's one of the linen, one of the linen numbers. Yeah, it's a wrinkly. Bit trendy for you, isn't it? Eh? 

[00:51:19] wayne: Yeah. Well that, I wouldn't be talking about fashion if I was you. 

[00:51:24] ayrton: So, I've just got about ten of these shirts, just different colours.

[00:51:26] ayrton: Now, final question, this is from Nick. I see Tommy

[00:51:36] ayrton: endorsed it, which is very good. Did he? Yeah. Oh, it's 

[00:51:39] wayne: our day, Tommy. We all... Tommy's, uh, entertaining, I think. So, Mitch is very good at what he does. Um, but Tommy's, Tommy's one of those guys you just look at and laugh sometimes. He's just got one of those demeanors, you know. He's, he's, he's very different. You know both?

[00:51:59] wayne: You've worked [00:52:00] with 

[00:52:00] ayrton: both? Mitch is a very, yeah, no, I do, yeah, Mitch is a very good operator. I think he does a very good job and will step into those shoes well. I saw Tom on the weekend actually. It was on the Fox coverage, not the Seven coverage, but he was working for Seven in the rooms. And as the players were walking in, he was in the background giving this big fist bump as the players.

[00:52:16] ayrton: Oh, really? Yeah, I know you're a PIE supporter, Tommy, but just, just keep it. 

[00:52:21] wayne: What about BT doing Roaming Brian, he didn't know who Wadey was? Oh, Matty Wade! Steel, 

[00:52:27] ayrton: he said Steel Sidewinder, was that your cousin, or was it your brother? Is 

[00:52:30] wayne: that your brother? He says Matty Wade the cricketer. Did

[00:52:36] ayrton: you text him? Did you text BT? No, 

[00:52:38] wayne: I haven't. You're too scared. He wouldn't like it? He would have got a bit of feedback. I would have thought 

[00:52:42] ayrton: he would have gone over then to Matty Wade and asked him a question. So he's um, He's connected to Jeremy Howe, they're cousins or something like that, yeah. So, um, no, that was very funny.

[00:52:51] ayrton: Uh, I didn't give a Norm Smith tip. I was, I was thinking along the Dagoe lines, but it's too obvious. So I'm going to go with Scotty Pendlebury to go with my Collingwood [00:53:00] tip, because I, I think he, he performs well on the big stage. I'm going to say for Scott, it's going to be 26 touches, one goal for Scott, and he's going to win the Norm.

[00:53:07] wayne: I'm going to, I'm going to, Charlie Cameron. Charlie Cameron. Norm Smith, he's going to kick four. Wow, four goals. Yep. And that's why I think Brisbane and Joey will kick two, McCarthy three, Hipwood one. 

[00:53:23] ayrton: It's really specific, this is good. I might have to moldy this up, that can be a moldy for 

[00:53:26] wayne: this weekend. And he'll kick four and win it, like, replicate what Cyril did.

[00:53:32] ayrton: Kick four, that was, Cyril in that first quarter that year was unbelievable, that was huge. Uh, Duck, great to see you again, big game coming up this weekend which we'll uh, we'll dissect next week, but um, thanks for your time, we'll see you soon.