Season 1 - EP #33 - Listener questions answered, who has a possum and dealing with the thirsty media.

Season 1 - EP #33 - Listener questions answered, who has a possum and dealing with the thirsty media?

Join Wayne Carey and Ayrton Woolley as they jump into episode 33 of the show.

Hear Wayne & Ayrton talk all things listener questions and feedback, celebrity possums and dealing with the thirsty media.

Ayrton and Wayne also discuss the time Wayne dressed up as a North mascot, the ideal tribunal setup and more.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 - 6:05 - Question 1. What is the ideal tribunal setup?

6:05 -7:05 - Heath, Does Duck think North’s finals results would have been better with or without the bye?

7:05 - 8:05 - Shane on Chris Fagan Toxic Shame.

8:05 - 11:45 - Duck on standing up Tony Jones in Koh Samui.

11:45 - 12:58 - Jay in Melbourne on the medical condition of a rubber arm and Duck’s do’s and dont’s.

12:58 - 17:36 - Jo drinking with the King at the Barkly and dressing up as a Mascot.

17:36 - 22:15 - Possum feedback and considering our position.

22:15 - 25:10 - George from Down under on his tip for the 2 grand finalists, Melbourne and Collingwood

25:10 - end - Listener questions about Oppenheimer and bizarre movies Denis would quote and reference for motivation.

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Transcript

episode 33

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[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, we're back for another episode of The Truth Hurts, a special episode. We're changing things up this week because our listener engagement, our comments from everyone is just exploding in recent weeks and we, we haven't thought we've been able to give it enough time in the usual podcast duck. So we're going to go through a whole lot of listener comments and questions for you.

[00:00:21] Ayrton: Uh, and starting off with the one that's pretty topical this week, given what's happened with Braden Maynard, uh, and the Angus Brayshaw incident. Duck, what is the, this is from Max, what is the ideal tribunal system? It's a bit of a technical one. Is it one person, e. g. Michael Christian? Is it a match review panel, which they had a few years ago?

[00:00:40] Ayrton: Or should we go back to just the tribunal like the old days? 

[00:00:44] Wayne: I don't really care what it is, I don't, as long as it's consistent. And I think you should be able to use precedence. And if you can use precedence, and you know what I mean by that, so, Max doesn't know. Yeah, correct. So if there's, you know, something happened, we can [00:01:00] go back, we can look at a, uh, you know, some video footage of it, and we can say, okay, well that got one week, and this is identical, so guess what?

[00:01:08] Wayne: This gets one week. And then everyone in the football world is clear on what gets a week and what doesn't get a week. And if there are differences, and just like people are showing examples of Maynard, you know, and, and other, you know, other players going back with the flight and knocking people out that, you know, and they're saying, well, they got nothing, but there's a bit, there are differences in those.

[00:01:30] Wayne: I haven't seen anything similar to Maynard. Some people are using the paddy crips. 

[00:01:36] Ayrton: Oh, I saw that. Of, of last year. Justin Lepich, um, who's, who's at Collingwood, he, he, he posted it on his Instagram. He said, he said, Oh, and this got zero, this got zero weeks. So, uh, Well, 

[00:01:47] Wayne: yeah, well, yeah, well, you know, people are critical of Goody talking like probably not one that Lepich should be posting out.

[00:01:54] Wayne: I wouldn't have thought, but, um, Yeah, so to answer the question, uh, the [00:02:00] right model is just a consistent model for me. I don't care whether it's a panel. I think generally you get a better, you probably don't want to pin it on one person. Yeah. Because then it's too much pressure. 

[00:02:10] Ayrton: So there's been a few reasons for that.

[00:02:12] Ayrton: So originally they introduced the, what we call like the matrix, which is, is it high? Is it? You know, careless or intentional impact, uh, so we had a set of guidelines, so you knew kind of how something would fit. We went away from the panel to one person because I think they were finding there were differences of opinion depending on who was on the panel at that, so you might have an incident one week.

[00:02:36] Ayrton: And there were these panel members, an incident another week, and it was a different act. Yeah, 

[00:02:39] Wayne: correct. So it has to be consistent. And that's, and that's where you get consistency when you have the same people doing the same job week after week after week. And using, as I said, precedents. The other part of, I do remember back when they had the tribunal system, you know, too young, but had little...

[00:02:56] Wayne: Dingbats like you rolling up and hanging out there waiting for, you [00:03:00] know, get an interview before you go in and get an interview when you come out. And I remember I walked in and I can't remember exactly what. What I was charged for. But striking problem. Yeah. And I remember, um, walking in, you know, going, because it's like a, uh, it's like a courtroom.

[00:03:19] Wayne: You go up to, you know, give your evidence and, you know, you've got the umpire sitting down there that's reported you. And it might be a boundary umpire that's reported you. No, not the field umpire. I said the little boundary umpire sitting there. You're trying to intimidate him. Or you're trying to eyeball him.

[00:03:34] Wayne: No, but you're looking at, you're looking at him. Then you got Neil busy. The, the chairman of, um, you know, the chairman of the tribunal and he, he's there and they start, you know, they all, they ask you questions and you, you know, give your answers and then they ask, you know, and I, I remember one particular time, I could tell that, um, Neil Busy, he, he wanted me to get off.

[00:03:57] Ayrton: You reckon he was angling the discussion? 

[00:03:58] Wayne: Oh, he was just, he was, [00:04:00] he was 100%, well, to me, that's how it felt. I'm not saying he did. And, and you did get off? Um, yes. And I've, I just felt that his questioning for me were, was like, Oh yeah, well you seem to be, your eyes were sort of on the ball and you, you know, you, you, you, yeah, that's what, and I'm going, yeah, yeah.

[00:04:17] Wayne: I just agree with everything he said and eventually 

[00:04:21] Ayrton: got off. They are on a bit of a hiding to nothing those AFL, uh, Uh, lawyers, the AFL council, uh, because sometimes they're meant to argue these most ridiculous And you know, often when you're negotiating what a suspension is going to be, they'll always say the higher end.

[00:04:35] Ayrton: So they'll ask for this ridiculous ban. Tough position. 

[00:04:39] Wayne: There's a funny story about Doug Hawkins, uh, going to the tribunal and, uh, knew he was in a little bit of trouble. Um, and as he walked in, he, he, Neil Busy sitting there, he goes, are you busy? He goes, yeah, I'm busy. And he said, all right, I'll come back next week.

[00:04:55] Ayrton: I wonder how many times you've seen him wheel that out on a sports night. It's [00:05:00] quite funny. Now this one's from Heath, uh, would be interested to the 90s, does Duck think any of North's finals results have been any different had there been a week off, a. k. a. bye? Uh, the week prior, and was, would the team have been better prepared?

[00:05:15] Ayrton: Geez, I've lost the ability to speak during this question. Uh, I'd argue in 93 it would have helped, and then again maybe in 2000 with an older side, may have beaten Melbourne in the prelim with better preparation. 

[00:05:24] Wayne: Um, from memory, maybe 93. Uh, we, we, uh, slowed up towards the end of the year. I remember myself being injured going into that final, so a week off there would have definitely, Um, helped, would have helped me personally, so invariably would have helped the team, I would have thought.

[00:05:42] Wayne: So yes, um, 2000, uh, I reckon we limped in as well, again, and that was our 7th prelim in a row. So, you know, we, I don't think we're at our absolute fittest. So yeah, he might be right, he probably remembers more than I do. I know personally in 94, if we'd won that [00:06:00] prelim. I might, I reckon I would have been very doubtful to play in the grand final.

[00:06:04] Wayne: So, you know, um, so that, so if there was a bye before the grand final. Then that would have definitely helped if we had won that game, but we didn't so this is question This 

[00:06:13] Ayrton: is from a cup of water couple water interesting name good point about the bar moving before the grand final This is you when you change a tune the two best teams deserve it not whoever finishes fifth to eight Especially with concussion protocols good work boys.

[00:06:28] Ayrton: So less of a question more agreeing with you from you when you change. Thank you. Mr hydration This is from Shane, another Ripper episode fellas, good pick up Ari, Chris Fagan and Toxic Shame, and bravo to Chris for talking so candidly about what it did to him, without wanting to dredge over the old Coles, I recall clearly how you Wayne were paraded around by the media and others when you stuffed up, resulting in public scapegoating, keep up the great work lags in it and get off the turps, wink wink, that's fair call Shane.

[00:06:58] Ayrton: I don't know if I've asked you about this [00:07:00] on, uh, on here and I always, a bit of trepidation when I ask you something that I haven't prepared you for. Do you remember, Tony Jones always tells his story about how he was chasing you around Coastal Millie one time. Do you 

[00:07:11] Wayne: remember that? I remember that very well.

[00:07:14] Wayne: So 

[00:07:14] Ayrton: he was sent over to, he was sent over there. He 

[00:07:17] Wayne: was sent to Kosa Mui, um, I was, uh, well he got, he got the, uh, right, he got the right place because I was in Kosa Mui. So he records he 

[00:07:26] Ayrton: saw you on the first day riding a motorbike, something down the main street. 

[00:07:30] Wayne: And I found out, it wasn't hard to spot, I was in every bar in Kosa Mui, parading around, never had a top on, um, and yeah, it was just, I was just over there getting away.

[00:07:41] Wayne: And he, I heard someone said, um, Tony Jones, Channel 9, they'd seen Channel 9 there. And they said, and I thought, wow, and I'd obviously looked at my phone and I had thousands of messages and a heap from Tony Jones. And I thought, right, so as soon as I knew that they were there [00:08:00] looking. Um, I didn't go into hiding, but I, you know, was not as, um, you know, I guess not as prevalent at the main bars or anything like that, or, you know, at the main beach, so just hanging out at my beach.

[00:08:14] Wayne: And then I thought, you know what? Bugger, bugger Channel 9, bugger, bugger Tony. I'm gonna, I'll ring him up. So I rang up, I said, Tony, and he said, Oh, Duck, I've been trying to track you for, you know, four or five days. And I said, well, you know what? I said, you've gone to the effort. What, by the way, what, what, what do you want to talk about?

[00:08:33] Wayne: Oh, look, you know what? I'm just, I just want to have a chat. All right, well, what am I going to get out of it? Tony, thinking my holiday might get paid for. Um, and, and he, he said, Oh, you know, we'll just have a chat. I said, I'll get back to you. And I didn't get back to him for a couple of days. And invariably he'd left Ko Samui.

[00:08:55] Wayne: I didn't know. And I rang him. And I said, I think you might have been in, mate, was it Bangkok? He was [00:09:00] in Bangkok, so he'd flown back to Bangkok to fly back to Australia. And I got a hold of him, I said, mate, sorry. I said, look, I'm prepared to do that interview. He said, really? I said, yeah. He said, I'm in Bangkok.

[00:09:10] Wayne: He said, hang on, I'll call, call the boss and I'll see if I can come back. But you're going to do it. I said, yep, done, lock it in. Um, so I get a call back from him and I say, he goes, where are we going to meet? I said, just meet at such and such a bar. Um, I'll never forget, it wasn't right in Koh Samui, it was a little bit out, and there was a bar about 50 metres away.

[00:09:28] Wayne: So I watched Tony roll up, so he's flying back from Bangkok to Koh Samui, sitting in this bar, um, with his suit on, sweating like a mangy dog, waiting for me. I sat in a bar 50 metres, no shirt. Crisp, nice breeze, drinking a few beers. He sat there for two hours and eventually he rang and, uh, anyway, so I didn't, I didn't show up, but I watched him, uh, sit there and then invariably flew back 

[00:09:58] Ayrton: to...

[00:09:59] Ayrton: He talks about the [00:10:00] pressure he was under on that trip because the perception from work had started to become, Milla for five days, he's produced no content, what's he actually doing over there? His missus was giving him heaps, I think they were meant to go on some trip. And so he's having to justify to her.

[00:10:14] Ayrton: And then when he got to Bangkok and she thought he was coming home and then he's 

[00:10:17] Wayne: gone, he's gone back. I felt, I felt bad for about five minutes. Yeah. No, we've, we've, we've discussed it, um, since and had a bit of a laugh about it. Um, it's, well, you know what it's like and Tony obviously wouldn't be given that role now.

[00:10:32] Ayrton: No, someone, someone 

[00:10:33] Wayne: else, someone more junior would be given that role. Um, in actual fact, even then he was quite senior. I'm not sure why, maybe he, he, maybe he was going on a lot. It was 

[00:10:41] Ayrton: such a big story, 

[00:10:43] Wayne: obviously. Yeah, so, so it was, uh, yeah, I, I did apologise to him afterwards and said I probably shouldn't have done that, but I was in one of those, you know.

[00:10:52] Wayne: Probably not thinking 

[00:10:53] Ayrton: exactly clearly. No, I'd say not after a few days on the drink as well. Uh, this is from Jane Melbourne. As someone who spent his early, [00:11:00] his twenties and early thirties suffering from both poor judgement and a rubber arm, uh, it should be a legally recognised medical condition, the rubber arm.

[00:11:09] Ayrton: Uh, I could have benefited greatly from having access to your uh, do's and don'ts last week. So, I think there's some um, great thought put into those, your Mad Monday do's and don'ts. 

[00:11:19] Wayne: Well, not a lot of great, not a lot of great thought, um, they, you know what, they evolve. Yeah. And sometimes, uh, the, the evolution of those decisions should not be allowed to evolve.

[00:11:35] Ayrton: It is funny. I think now as a, as a 35 year old, I, though, I'd still Are you only 35? Yes, I am. Are you serious? I'm a young man. I 

[00:11:45] Wayne: feel old, though. I thought you were 56.

[00:11:50] Ayrton: I do cop a bit of feedback sometimes that I look a bit older, that I look a bit 

[00:11:54] Wayne: older than what I am. No, 35, boy, I'd do anything to be 35 again. Yeah, well, [00:12:00] 

[00:12:00] Ayrton: in finishing that sentence, sometimes I, I think why am I making the same mistakes that I was making when I was 21 or when I was 18. Oh, you only live once.

[00:12:09] Ayrton: Yeah, no, no, true, true, true. Uh, alright, moving, moving on to the next question. This is from Jojo. Watch it every week, guys. Hi Etan. I had drinks with the duck at the Barclay years ago with a mutual friend of his. The Barclay was a big Sunday night, um, down in St Kilda down there. 

[00:12:23] Wayne: Used to go up the lift. Very good strike, right?

[00:12:27] Ayrton: Uh, I mentioned to him, I knew he was dressed up as a kangaroo's mascot at the family day in 99. This is some interesting areas. After the grand final, due to his fancy watch and fancy shoes, that's how he recognized you. Can you please ask him to elaborate on this for us viewers, many thanks. So why were you the mascot 

[00:12:43] Wayne: in 99?

[00:12:43] Wayne: No, I do remember that actually. Uh, I was, yeah, in the, we didn't have the new club rooms then, obviously, so we just had the portables. But where the race, you had thousands of kangaroo supporters, um, on the ground, and I had to get from point A to point B, which was [00:13:00] on the other side of the ground, I had to be at a station, I think it was to sign autographs or do some, so we all had to be at different areas.

[00:13:07] Wayne: Um, and I thought, how am I going to get across from there to there without, Um, being stopped and, you know, not, not getting there on time. So it had nothing to do with, you know, trying to, um, not fulfill my obligations, which some people will say, because every kangaroo supporter out there that came across me over the years, I signed every autograph, stood there for hours and never left a little, a Roo Ruckle.

[00:13:36] Wayne: Grabbed him by the tail, flipped him out of his suit. They're always very different people, the people that wear those suits. I think you've got to be, don't you? I had a mate that used to go out to bars and tell all the girls that he's Aussie Ostrich. 

[00:13:54] Ayrton: What, did he think that was a selling 

[00:13:56] Wayne: point or something?

[00:13:57] Wayne: I'll tell you what, it worked. [00:14:00] So, yeah, well they thought Aussie was funny, so he told everyone. Anyway. So I flipped the little fella out of the suit, put it on, and was able to get from one side of the ground to the other. But I did have, I did have a few kids, which I recently had a party for Carter and had paw patrol there.

[00:14:22] Wayne: And the kids grabbed, you know, the tail and the arm, and they get a little bit nasty sometimes. Sorry, 

[00:14:28] Ayrton: can you just explain to me what that, or our listeners, what that means? You hide. You hired some people. 

[00:14:35] Wayne: I like a puppet thing that puts on the suit. Paw Patrol. Yeah. Is 

[00:14:40] Ayrton: That's a kid Chase. That's a kid show isn't Yeah, it's a kid show.

[00:14:42] Ayrton: Yeah. Just one 

[00:14:42] Wayne: person. No, there was a, there was a girl that, uh, made, you know, him dance and sing songs and all that sort of stuff. Yeah. It was a while ago. But anyway, it was very hot and it gets very hot in those suits. Yeah. And I'm, I'm getting across and then all of a sudden I realize what these, uh, people go through when they're in the suit.[00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] Wayne: If it's a hot day, they get. They get bloody hot. And then they have the kids just pulling off them and, you know, like, pulling at them and um, you know, just doing, you know, just kids stuff. So as I'm walking across the ground, no one knows it's me, so I'm just, and you get the big, you know, you've got the big eyes that you can, uh, or the mouth you can see through.

[00:15:19] Wayne: And a couple little kids, you know, come running up and they're pulling at you. And I do understand why you've sort of gotta flick your tail. I have 

[00:15:26] Ayrton: wondered about when players do those family days, they obviously appreciate the support of all of the fans. Yeah. Uh, some supporters are more enthusiastic than others.

[00:15:35] Ayrton: Do you, do you dread those, do you dread those days? 

[00:15:38] Wayne: When you, when you first started, you, you, you loved it because it was. It was like you were getting some sort of recognition. So people coming up, you know, when you're 16, 17, asking for your autograph was a big thrill at the start. And then once, you know, you, once you sort of get into it, you, you would prefer, I love the fact that the [00:16:00] one good thing about mobile phones is that people don't ask for autographs anymore.

[00:16:03] Wayne: They're asked for a photo and I find that much easier. 

[00:16:06] Ayrton: Really? Yeah. Okay. Well, you got to smile and do all that though, don't you? Yeah. 

[00:16:10] Wayne: I guess it depends on what sort of condition you're in as well, um, or where you are and if you're not meant to be there, probably doesn't help. Well 

[00:16:18] I 

[00:16:18] Ayrton: have, I have a rule that I try and enforce with my mates is that just don't bring the phones out late at night fellas, cause it, it just, if there's video or photos of you when you've had a few drinks, it just doesn't help anyone I don't reckon.

[00:16:30] Wayne: Yeah, I, that's one area I don't understand why people. Um, want a video, you know, their mates doing stupid stuff, you know, it's, I just don't get it. What mate does that? 

[00:16:43] Ayrton: No, I agree. One, the one that's had a few beverages making some, uh, No, that's not an excuse. No, no, fair call, fair call. Now, uh, we did have a bit of feedback on the possums last week and, uh, we, we, we have considered our position around, 

[00:16:56] Wayne: uh, around possum.

[00:16:57] Wayne: We just didn't think there was a whole [00:17:00] episode on, on talking about one's possum. Um, but what we, what we are more than prepared to do is, um, we all know that Warnie, I've already said Warnie, uh, God bless, uh, the great man. 

[00:17:15] Ayrton: So David, he's asked about Richard 

[00:17:16] Wayne: Wilkins. Oh, no idea, but I'll tell you what, if, if it is, it's a big possum, 

[00:17:22] Ayrton: but it's not.

[00:17:23] Ayrton: He's got an impressive, it's got to be real, don't 

[00:17:25] Wayne: it? No, no, no, that's not a possum. I mean a good, a good mate of mine and, uh, a lovely bloke, uh, very, you know, uh, Dusty Martin's manager, Ralph Carr. He's got a possum, it's well known that he's got a possum. Very thick black one. Yes. Uh, that, uh, you know, is, uh, well, I think because Ralph's had his for so long, and Ralph's, you know, good looking man and smooth man and all of that, but he, uh, he's had it for so long people wouldn't even, you know, wouldn't even think twice.

[00:17:53] Wayne: about it being a possum, but, um, he wears it with, um, conviction. [00:18:00] Um, I think, you know, we, I think everyone knows it's common knowledge now, the ex Australian cricket captain Ricky Ponting's got a possum. Um, sometimes... Well, 

[00:18:08] Ayrton: I'm going to make 

[00:18:08] Wayne: no comment about Ricky. Why? Because he's a Tassie. Well, he's a North Melbourne supporter too, but Ricky doesn't care anymore.

[00:18:14] Wayne: He did, he did initially, but he owns it now. Sometimes it's stuck on better than others, I reckon. Like it can have a little bit of a... The tail can, might have got caught up in the, in the ribcage or something, but, you know what I, that can be a little bit, you know, but you've got, uh, I remember David, David Hale had one of the, he looked like Herman Munster when he had his possum, it just went straight across.

[00:18:40] Wayne: He's been clever enough to pull it off. He's got rid of it, yeah. 

[00:18:42] Ayrton: He's got rid of it. Surely, this is from real one, surely the duck is talking about chompers. Who? 

[00:18:48] Wayne: as if he has one. Tony Jones. No, he doesn't. No, no, no, no. 

[00:18:51] Ayrton: See, this is where people can, can bit, if you look at someone who's receding, they definitely don't have one.

[00:18:56] Ayrton: Because I can talk about this. 

[00:18:58] Wayne: No, Brent Guer had a great, I thought [00:19:00] Brent, Brent Guerra, who's a ripping guy, he had, he had one of the good possums. I don't, I don't think, but he's now, he's now, uh, decided, uh, rather than put glue on his head to shave it, so he's, he's just gone the other way. Um, one that a lot of people don't know about.

[00:19:17] Wayne: No, no, just don't fire all your 

[00:19:18] Ayrton: bullets 

[00:19:19] Wayne: here, but, yeah. No, but one of the ones that a lot of people don't know about is, uh, Jordan Lewis from, uh, Melbourne and Hawthorne. 

[00:19:26] Ayrton: This is where I start exiting the conversation when we get too many names out here. 

[00:19:30] Wayne: Well, he's got a possum. Have a look at Jordan. Have a look at Jordan before he retired at Hawthorne and went to Melbourne.

[00:19:39] Wayne: He started, he wore the number three. And by the way, great, great player. Great, doing a great job commentary and all that. The thing about possums is as soon as you own it, no one cares. It's done. The argument's over. You go, yeah, I'm wearing a possum, who cares? That's it, so, but when he retired from Hawthorne, [00:20:00] wearing the great number three Guernsey, he was starting to look more like Lethal than Jordan Lewis.

[00:20:05] Wayne: So he had that, you know, the hole started, his barber started cutting a hole in the top of his head, and then when he got to Melbourne, a little bit of shoe polish went in, and the possum went on top. And that's... Where that was, and in one particular game when we were watching, um, when I was doing work for Triple M, the possum nearly came off.

[00:20:32] Wayne: We were calling the game, and I remember, I think it was Nath Brown, because Nath Brown, he, he, a few of the commentary boys are fascinated by the possums as well. But once again, this isn't being critical of these people that are wearing possums, it's just some, some of them own it and some of them don't, and some of them look better than others.

[00:20:50] Wayne: Oh, there's no doubt about it. Some of them are really obvious. You can just see that it's, it's, you know, just the ones that look, Jordan's isn't like this. Jordan's I think looks quite natural on [00:21:00] TV and everything, but you know, some of the ones they just, uh, obviously glue it on top, but then it's not cut in properly and you have, I know there's probably a couple of the legs of the possums coming down the side.

[00:21:10] Ayrton: The front's crucial, no doubt about that. We might have to get our lawyers involved for this segment of the, of the. Look, look, 

[00:21:18] Wayne: look. There's nothing wrong with having a possum. Alright, just own it. Alright, 

[00:21:23] Ayrton: moving on now, this is from George Down Under. Forget Charles or Wally, you're the king in a again awesome show, like always.

[00:21:30] Ayrton: I have a serious question for you, Duck. Now I asked this before the finals last week, but you might be able to give a more informed decision now. Uh, you're two grand finalists, uh, and your serious tip, um, so... 

[00:21:43] Wayne: Ooh, okay, two grand finalists. Um, well... I gave my tips earlier this week for this week. How about we leave the grand final?

[00:21:52] Wayne: I'll... Okay, I think it'll be a... What? Or... I'm [00:22:00] gonna... No, because injuries can play a big part and you look like a dingbat. And suspensions with my, like... But we can ask you this again in two weeks when you're... No, no, no. I'm just, I'll tip this week. What? I'll tip this week. What? Okay, Melbourne Collingwood grand final.

[00:22:15] Wayne: Thanks. That wasn't that hard. Okay. Well, let's, and that's without knowing that, uh, you know, the, uh, injuries and everything else. If 

[00:22:22] Ayrton: Melbourne has five injuries between now and the weekend, then we can, next week we can explain that. We'll tell him. They won't see that on TikTok when they see you, when they see your little quote of you saying, yeah, Melbourne's going 

[00:22:31] Wayne: to make the grand final.

[00:22:32] Wayne: They'll get paid this way. That's right. That's 

[00:22:34] Ayrton: right. Um. They didn't, so the final system was, this is again a question without notice, was different when you played. It was 1v8, wasn't it? 

[00:22:42] Wayne: Oh, for one, for a part of it, yeah, 1v8. 

[00:22:45] Ayrton: Did you ever lose in that first week? It didn't happen very often when, uh, 

[00:22:48] Wayne: No, well Geelong, Geelong famously in, uh, 97 played us, finished 7th, we beat them, went over to Adelaide, got beat, went out in straight sets.

[00:22:59] Wayne: Yeah, [00:23:00] okay, so. So they got beaten by two teams outside the top, outside the top four. 

[00:23:04] Ayrton: You were 7th? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep. 

[00:23:06] Wayne: So that's, that was, so that was big. I mean, it was unlike, like we finished seventh and we had injuries and everything else. I kicked seven, five in the final, um, in the wet. In the wet! So have a listen.

[00:23:21] Wayne: So we, uh, and then, and then Adelaide beat them. And they, yeah, so finished second and didn't go any further. 

[00:23:28] Ayrton: It is a, I think it is fairer now. It's a tough first week for those top four teams, but it's fairer now that you get the, that they all get the second chance. There used to be a lot of funny happenings with the finals.

[00:23:39] Ayrton: I remember even with, you know, the MCG had certain contracts to get a certain number of games each weekend. And so interstate teams were missing out on finals at home and, 

[00:23:47] Wayne: um. Lee Matthews. Uh, talked about Brisbane having to come and Mick Moldhouse, I think, West Coast 

[00:23:53] Ayrton: got robbed. They had to come play Essendon in a semi final over here.

[00:23:56] Ayrton: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

[00:23:57] Wayne: So, yeah. [00:24:00] We don't play, unfortunately, we don't play in a, in a, in a perfect, um, competition. Yeah. It's not, it's not perfect and it's not completely fair. 

[00:24:11] Ayrton: Yeah. Yeah, I think we accept that. Now, uh, to finish, Bill 234, um, Ollie Wines revealed last week that Port had been using Oppenheimer as their movie inspiration.

[00:24:23] Ayrton: Any good ones that you used at North? It copped a bit of criticism, Oppenheimer, because, obviously, Ollie said we used Oppenheimer because all these people came together over many years for a common goal. What he omitted was the common goal killed 200, 000 people in Japan, so they copped a bit of hate about that.

[00:24:41] Ayrton: But have you, any bizarre ones that Dennis wheeled out one week that you thought? No, not really. Did you have themes? Did you used to have themes, or? Not really. What would he lean on then? What would he lean on if it wasn't a theme? 

[00:24:52] Wayne: Um, uh, well, look I, my memory's not as good as others but, I reckon we would have gone to see movies and that [00:25:00] during the year or just before finals.

[00:25:02] Wayne: Um, I can't remember exactly, I'm pretty sure there was a movie actually, one year. Can't remember. I do remember, I reckon it was 96 we went out during the week. And we all went out onto the MCG, so we'd been given permission, but this, not to train or anything, it was at night, so dark. And Ron Joseph came out with a cup in the bag, in a bag.

[00:25:23] Wayne: So one of the premiership cups at Northwood 175 or 177, had it in a bag. And we're all sitting around, like, all standing around and he, and he opened the bag. I thought he might have had a kangaroo in it or something. And, uh, So this is before the grand final, is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I opened the bag and there was the cup and he said, you know, this is what it's all about.

[00:25:44] Wayne: You know, this is what we, uh, we want to get to. 

[00:25:47] Ayrton: Would that have meant much to you then, do you reckon, or? 

[00:25:50] Wayne: Oh, at the time it, you know, a few tingles. When you're standing on the MCG and it's, and it's dark and, you know, it's, it's quite a spiritual place. [00:26:00] Um. Let alone be at night. Yeah. And that type of thing.

[00:26:03] Wayne: So yeah, it, it, it put, put a few tingles up the, up the back of the neck. 

[00:26:08] Ayrton: That's the, that's the one thing that I, I, it's never been lost to me. And maybe it's from someone who's, um, not grown up around the M C G. It used to be a big deal for me as a Tasmanian to come to Melbourne and go to the footy. But even now, I find when I go to the G there's something about the G isn't there when 

[00:26:23] Wayne: you Yeah.

[00:26:24] Wayne: It's a pretty, pretty special place. And you know, it's, and you know what we went through the. You know, the Great Southern Sand being built when it was knocked down, so that half the stadium was there at one stage when we were playing there. Didn't have a great feel then, but it does 

[00:26:38] Ayrton: now. It's an awesome ground.

[00:26:40] Ayrton: You wouldn't put a roof on it though, surely? I saw that discussion again last week. Um, why not? Why not? Surely we love the Gee because of the all, the all weather conditions 

[00:26:50] Wayne: there. If you can have it perfect all the time, why wouldn't you? Yeah, no, 

[00:26:55] Ayrton: I'm against you on that one. We might revisit that another time.

[00:26:58] Ayrton: But thanks to all of our [00:27:00] listeners for their questions. Some of them we haven't got to, but what I will say is, keep sending them in, because we want to do more of this sort of stuff. We want more questions for the duck. Doesn't have to be footy related either, if you've got something about, maybe not his personal life.

[00:27:16] Ayrton: Mate. 

[00:27:17] Wayne: Talk about the exquisite. 

[00:27:20] Ayrton: Yes, the exquisite package. You couldn't go on episode without mentioning that. 

[00:27:24] Wayne: That's going to come up all year now. 

[00:27:26] Ayrton: From you. Yeah, you're going to bring it up. Just like you leaked it. Keep them coming guys. We appreciate it and that's another episode of The Truth Hurts.