Season 1 - EP #32 - Why 1 week is fair, the voice yes or no and ducks exquisite package

Season 1 - EP #32 - Why 1 week is fair, the voice yes or no and ducks exquisite package

Join Wayne Carey and Ayrton Woolley as they jump into episode 32 of the show.

Hear Wayne & Ayrton talk about that Maynard hit on Brayshaw, Wayne's winery weekend and more.

Ayrton and Wayne also discuss the finals week 1 big winners and losers, the tribunal, UFC in Australia, tennis and much more.

Tune in to hear more listener questions and an extended cut on possum's on the next episode.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 - 2:10 - Duck talks about doing a rib and getting through the pain ;) Also chats about his Penfolds Wine Lunch with George Samios.

2:10 - 6:55 - Duck on the Herald Sun running a story on his “exquisite” package and being click bait Heaven! Plus the local footy with his mate’s under 16’s son.

6:55 - 14:55 - Finals week 1, was it underwhelming, predictable, controversy much?  Brayden Maynard gone?

14:55 - 17:38 - Would anyone want to be in charge of the tribunal?

17:38 - 20:45 - Duck on Simon Goodwin being emotional after the game and people needing to give him a break.

20:45 - 23:55 - Petracca, Frisch and split second decisions and decision making in finals.

23:55 - 26:30 - Back on Brody Mihocek and would he have gotten a game in North and Essendon’s best 22 in the 90’s.

26:30 - 30:35 - Carlton and Patrick Cripps winning his first final after 180 odd games.  No McKay and No Martin, what will Carlton do? Will Silvagni get a game?

30:35 -31:15 - Duck on Melbourne beating Carlton, Brisbane looking good and how trusting Melbourne over Carlton makes sense.

31:15 -34:20 - Duck on StKilda and GWS not exactly being a highlight reel game.  

34:20 - 37:20 - Ayrton and Wayne discuss the Voice and the brochures being handed out at the footy for the Yes campaign and why Duck is voting yes along with Ayrton.

37:20 - 38:52 - Duck on getting fined for not voting

38:52 - 40:25 - UFC chat with Duck and Ayrton

40:25 - 42:35 - Duck and Ayrton on the US open and getting fuel from the haters.

42:35 - 44:20 - Duck on being a leader, captain and knowing how to handle different team mates. Knowing when to pump someone up or cut someone down.

44:20 - 47:00 - Duck and Ayrton on Sabalenka’s meltdown and players cracking the SH$#S

47:00 - 49:30 - Duck on the greatest athletes of all time and where does Novak sit?

 49:30 - end - Piers Morgan on why Sir Donald Bradman was best of all time, across all sports! And Duck’s tips for Melbourne and Port.

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Transcript

episode 32

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[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, here we are again for another episode of The Truth Hurts. I'm Anton Woolley alongside the King Wayne Carey Duck. I'm feeling a fair bit better myself this week, but I'm looking over at you in a, in a bit discomfort. So how you going? Well, uh, 

[00:00:12] Wayne: I've just offered you some Annie and Phlegm because I have popped about five of them.

[00:00:17] Wayne: It's my, I've put a rib out Anton to, uh, to be short, had had, had he do that, that well, I, well, I dunno. So I've had a, I've had a pretty good weekend. I started off on a Friday, I started off on Friday, I was at a Penfolds wine lunch. Which, uh, with, uh, George Samios, have you ever listened to 

[00:00:37] Ayrton: him? I have. Yep.

[00:00:38] Ayrton: He's regular on my radio. 

[00:00:40] Wayne: Yes, he does. A regular radio spot. And, and that's where things, and it was during COVID that he did that with Gary and Tim, I think it was, and I think he still does it. But, tell you what, and I'm not a massive, uh, well, yes I am, but I, I, I like, I don't mind a drink of wine, but I'm not a connoisseur.

[00:00:57] Wayne: So I've gone to a few of these different wine events with [00:01:00] George, he just captivates you. I never thought I'd listen to a guy talking about wine, where you just sit there and you can't take your eyes or ears from listening. It's just incredible. He's got a great passion doesn't he for it? Great passion gives you a history lesson.

[00:01:15] Wayne: Lesson while you're doing it. So you learn some other stuff about our great country, um, at different states, how wine got here, you know, just all these different, and then depending on the room, for instance, if he's in Melbourne, he's talking about AFL, so he talks about your, you know, your, uh, taste buds, and how, you know, straight up the spine, and you've got, you know, center forward, and your full back of you.

[00:01:39] Wayne: All of this sort of stuff, and then when he's talking rugby, he reverts to that. He's just brilliant. And every time I've, I've listened to him, he changes it up. So that's how my Friday started. And it 

[00:01:51] Ayrton: ended with 

[00:01:51] Wayne: what? Three bottles of, I'll tell you what it ended. I tell you what it ended with. I was, I then, um, you know, called it a night because I've matured.

[00:01:58] Wayne: Um, and I, [00:02:00] so I called a night early enough and it was about six or seven o'clock. And then all of a sudden I started getting all these alerts on my phone. And I thought, what, what's, well, what have I done now? I thought, hang on, where have you been? Uh, Nah, nah, couldn't have been, I knew I couldn't have been anything wrong.

[00:02:17] Wayne: I haven't done anything wrong. Nothing, nothing that's happened recently. No, no, exactly. So I just thought, nah, I'm all good. But getting all these alerts, mate, ring me back, you can't, then there's a headline that hits the Herald Sun again. The fascination is just incredible. I can't believe it. But they've said that I've got an exquisite package.

[00:02:38] Wayne: Now, For once I got it right. You've leaked this. You've called them up and... Oh don't worry, I've had some mates that have accused me of that. But you know, obviously I had a conversation with um, Jess after this and we'd been talking about, you know, how does something like this, and then you know the first thing that was...

[00:02:59] Wayne: Your partner [00:03:00] Jess and the mother of your... And then the first thing that was said was um, well... You know, I know that's not exactly accurate, so who has actually said that? So then, then you start getting, you know, people that have been, you know, a little bit, uh, mean and nasty and, and I'm talking friends. And they're saying, oh, you know, that you're kidding yourself and blah, blah, blah.

[00:03:21] Wayne: This makes up for all the bad headlines. And I said, all the bad headlines? Well, most of them have... made up or exaggerated. Um, and this one without, without being facetious as I was before saying they were correct. And I did tweet it out, uh, on the Saturday to say that, you know, about time the Herald Sun got it right.

[00:03:39] Wayne: Well, once again, they got it wrong because what a load of crap, exquisite package. I'm above average. But I wouldn't say it's exquisite. You've got nothing to say? What can I say? When I 

[00:03:52] Ayrton: look at you, that smirk on your 

[00:03:54] Wayne: face over there. Well, because, you know, just another, just another, you know, headline that [00:04:00] won, won my And my older children don't want to read about their dad.

[00:04:05] Wayne: Um, and, and like I said, just, you know, who, who, how do they make this stuff up? And then all that it is, is a rehashing of old news and, and rehashing of old relationships or relations, well, what they considered to be relationships and, and everything else. Um, They just go back and so there's a old 

[00:04:25] Ayrton: crap.

[00:04:25] Ayrton: There's obviously a reason for that, for the Herald Sun, and I noticed used the photo with you throwing the jacket behind your shoulder and your buttons done up, down the, down past your, um, belly button. So that was for the full Monty that photo, wasn't it? That hurts. They've done that. They've done that.

[00:04:39] Ayrton: Because you are, you must just be clickbait heaven for the Herald son. People must just be clicking on these articles non-top. But why so PE people are why, who care. People are, well, there must be enough people that care. They wouldn't, they wouldn't bother writing them again if people weren't clicking on them.

[00:04:56] Ayrton: So someone, you gotta, maybe it's all your mates going back to the [00:05:00] article. Well, well, 

[00:05:01] Wayne: like I said, when you, when you get into the nuts and bolts of it, 

[00:05:05] Ayrton: get that? Yeah, nah, 

[00:05:07] Wayne: good, good stuff mate. No, but it's just, I, you know what it does, like I said, I, I've spent the whole weekend now then answering questions about, you know, this and even walking around the local footy yesterday.

[00:05:19] Wayne: I took Carter. Beautiful day, went and watched my mate's um, son play in the grand final, under 16, they got up and won, so well done to Jimmy for, for winning his grand final. But, you know, you're walking around the crowd and, you know, me being insecure, um, and shy, like I am, I'm walking around at local footy, there's Carter running around, he's got his little Sharon footy.

[00:05:41] Wayne: You know what footy I got him by the way, you know the little footy that Podziadly and um, Sloan came out with? I haven't seen that, no. They paint the face on the footy and it says point the nose, kick the chin, hold the ears. Okay. Works well you reckon? Very clever. Well it's, well it's helped me with Carter.

[00:05:56] Wayne: So anyway, he's walking around, he's walking around the footy and [00:06:00] I can just, you just see the snickers and the, and the, and the um, and I don't mean what you eat, the snicker bars in there. Um, yes. You see people snickering and, and, you know, going, oh. And, you know, they're not looking at my eyes anymore. You know, so it's all these little things that just occurred yesterday and I felt very insecure.

[00:06:20] Wayne: Um, and ended up... You weren't worried for a second. I ended up tying a jumper around my waist. And I was walking, and I was walking around the ground, went to the, went to the playground, did that and then, you know, just had to leave a little bit earlier than what I normally would. 

[00:06:38] Ayrton: I don't think you've ever been self conscious in 

[00:06:40] Wayne: your life, have you?

[00:06:40] Wayne: Ah, well, it would surprise you. Don't you remember when I spoke about the, the self confidence and feeling insecure and putting that wall on the mask 

[00:06:48] Ayrton: and Yeah, not after someone's written something about an exquisite package. But anyway, let's talk about the exquisite package that, well, it wasn't It wasn't, I wouldn't say the footy was exquisite on the weekend, but it was a, a [00:07:00] package of games.

[00:07:00] Ayrton: Um, first round of finals, lots, lots to talk about, lots of controversy over the weekend. We might as well go off the top with, with Braid and Maynard because that's yet to be resolved. I'll 

[00:07:12] Wayne: tell you the one thing that really annoys me, other than, you know, headlines that aren't near true. And that is when, and I know everyone's paid, I, I was in that industry.

[00:07:25] Wayne: And everyone's paid to have an opinion, but what really irks me is those that have an opinion and we know, look, the same suspects and I've already spoken about Cain a lot because he does have a lot of opinions and I've said before that some of them I agree with, some of them I don't, but then to do the complete opposite To what you've always done and come out and, and defend Brayden Maynard like he's, he's just done absolutely nothing wrong other than knock someone clean out.

[00:07:56] Wayne: And then Nathan Buckley, ex coach of obviously Collingwood and [00:08:00] Collingwood Man thrown through, you know, to come out and defend, you know, Maynard. So I just, I can't see sitting now outside of mainstream media how they could be so definite about what they thought Maynard did. Both being. Unbelievably, um, experienced football people and both played a lot of footy.

[00:08:22] Wayne: They know as any, as well as anyone that you can change your mind when you're in mid air. You're a professional athlete for Christ's sake. You, you, you jump up and you can, you can control your body, you can twist your body. You can, and, and, these footballers are highly trained athletes, so they can make decisions very, very 

[00:08:41] Ayrton: quickly.

[00:08:41] Ayrton: So, I've been torn myself about this. You're saying that Braid and 

[00:08:46] Wayne: Maynard here... I, I, I, I'm torn when I hear people be so definitive one way. Because that, you cannot be definitive one way on this. You actually can't. No one can answer, no one [00:09:00] can answer what truly happened other than Maynard himself.

[00:09:03] Wayne: Alright? What I can answer as a, as an ex professional athlete is jumping off the ground and twisting my body and being able to, and then being able to hurt someone in a split second, I can definitively say I could do that. Me, as an ex professional athlete. Right? I know that I could do that. So, could Maynard do that?

[00:09:25] Wayne: Yes, he could. Did he deliberately do it? Only he can answer that. So, don't sit there and be so, you know, absolute one way, and then get on your high horse to win back friends. I'm not saying Bucks is trying, but, you know, to, to go purely on the player's side of it, which, you know, Corns and, and others are, purely to get votes off the general public, because we're talking about our game and the, and the, and the roughness of our game, and it, you know, becoming soft and all this.

[00:09:51] Wayne: So, I get all of that. Do I want Maynard to be rubbed out for this? No. Definitely not. I don't. Does [00:10:00] he have a case to answer and should have been sent to the tribunal to answer a case? Yes, because I think everyone needs to know and I think we all want to hear what Braden says and what was going through his mind.

[00:10:18] Wayne: So he's, 

[00:10:18] Ayrton: he's obviously going to defend himself, I guess that's the, that's the, so there's layers to this. So the, the, the start of it is, uh, the conversation around football actions. And so the smother is supposedly a football action. Uh, the, the problem that I have with that is that a tackle is also a football action or a bump is also a football action.

[00:10:39] Ayrton: If you get it right, well he didn't get it, he didn't necessarily get it right, did he? I think this is where there's maybe a failure in the system in that it's, I don't think it's worth three weeks, but it can only be, it can be nothing. Or it's got to be three weeks plus because Brayshaw was knocked out.

[00:10:57] Ayrton: So let's say we take all of that [00:11:00] away and you are in charge of this whole process. You don't have guidelines to, to follow. You just, you're making a judgment on what Maynard deserves on his duty of care and so on. Would you give him. 

[00:11:15] Wayne: The problem with our system, and it's been the problem for a long time, is that, and that is the, you know, precedence doesn't get used.

[00:11:22] Wayne: The inconsistency is, is profound, and it has been for a long time. And that's why everyone's arguing about this, because no one knows where it's going to go, because of the inconsistencies in our game. And what's called, like you, as you said, a football action, not a football action, all of these things. But, invariably someone's been knocked out and may miss.

[00:11:42] Wayne: a grand final themselves, right? Once again, I want to reiterate, I don't want Maynard to get rubbed. I don't want him to miss a grand final. So what is the, what is the right result out of this? Well, do you think, 

[00:11:52] Ayrton: do you think he has a duty of 

[00:11:54] Wayne: care? I think just, I think out of the fact that if, if once again, so not being definitive [00:12:00] and not knowing exactly.

[00:12:01] Wayne: And once again, there's only one person on this earth that knows what he was trying to do. And that's all of the, all of us are just guessing. Right? We are. Now, the other argument is, does, does Brayshaw, you know, should it be upon him to, at least when he gets rid of that ball and he knows Maynard's coming, because your vision says he's coming, you just kicked it straight over his hands, does he have a duty of care to protect himself and, and at least turn, and did he have time to turn?

[00:12:30] Wayne: All of these different things, uh, uh, are questions that are going to be asked at the tribunal. I, I just, because Because it's in that action, because we, we don't know, but because someone's got knocked out, I'm prepared to say he should get a week. All right? And that means he misses the preliminary. If they get through, he gets to play in the grand final.

[00:12:50] Wayne: Cause invariably at the end of the day, is that, is that fair? Is that reasonable? People will go, oh, it's either nothing or it's three weeks. It's this or that. Well, you know what? Unlike everyone else [00:13:00] out there, I'm going to sit right on that picket fence and say, well, he has knocked someone out. So if it was completely.

[00:13:07] Wayne: an accident, which is what he will say, and he was protecting himself. Well, unfortunately, sometimes even accidents when you, you know, um, When you make a mistake like that in an accident, then it still maybe deserves a week. So that's why I'm landing at a week, and a prelim to me, missing a prelim is probably like 

[00:13:28] Ayrton: three.

[00:13:28] Ayrton: Yeah, it's significant isn't it? I guess that's the other part of the argument, we have this discussion in racing when you talk about bands, bands in a spring carnival, you can lose, jockeys can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars of income for just that one. Month period that's that's their that's their grand final 

[00:13:47] Wayne: correct.

[00:13:47] Wayne: So so if a prelim is You know a three week ban in the home in a way, then I think that that's fair I wouldn't like and and I wouldn't like him. I definitely wouldn't like him to miss a [00:14:00] grand final and I'm only saying The one week because I think there's just so much gray here That nobody, and not even the tribunal, they're gonna sit here and have the same conversation we are now.

[00:14:12] Wayne: Yeah. But I'll tell you what they're not gonna do. They're not gonna be, none of them are gonna come out there being absolutely, there will be argument there and there'll be one people saying, one person saying that, one person saying that. And it's, and it's, unfortunately it is Grey, but he has knocked someone out.

[00:14:28] Wayne: So there has to be some sort of penalty on that and I'm happy for it to be one week. And, you know, people will be critical of that, but I don't give a. 

[00:14:36] Ayrton: Crap. It's, it's obviously, uh, magnified because it's finals time also too because, so Michael Christian is the matri review officer. Yeah. He, he makes these 

[00:14:44] Wayne: decisions.

[00:14:44] Wayne: No point of him being a, an officer anymore. And I love Chris O, but I'm not sure Chris o Does Chris o even want the job? 

[00:14:50] Ayrton: I, I think he's enjoyed it at times, but it, it, it's this, there's been shocking 

[00:14:54] Wayne: job. It's a shocking job. You, 

[00:14:56] Ayrton: you cop a, you've, you cop a lot of criticism. You're not hiding to nothing [00:15:00] because Yeah.

[00:15:00] Ayrton: But he, he's, 

[00:15:00] Wayne: he's a. He's a puppeteer for the people above him anyway. Well, some might 

[00:15:04] Ayrton: argue that in this situation. So Laura Kane is the new general manager of football. She has sort of been acting in that role. 

[00:15:10] Wayne: But he's been overridden so many times. Steve Hocking has done it in the past. Yeah, he's just, and, and there's no doubt that he's, he gets phone calls down to say, you've got to do this.

[00:15:19] Wayne: You've got to do that over the years. Um, and once again, I, Chris O's a ripper. And if anyone, and if, Out of anyone that sort of I know outside of, you know, close, I think he's handled it really well, but I think his job now is, is, uh, is defunct. Is a 

[00:15:38] Ayrton: good, is that a right word? Is that a No, that's that's a word.

[00:15:40] Ayrton: That's, that's a, he's a good man, Chris, I worked with him at, uh, 9 2 7. He's a, he's, um, he's one of those guys where he's, he's, he's can be, he'll be very measured, say like in this scenario. And then if you, if you cross him, you've never seen a bloke really. He will 

[00:15:53] Wayne: stand up and he will, he's very robotic.

[00:15:55] Wayne: When I played on him or he played on me[00:16:00] 

[00:16:00] Wayne: and, you know, I'd always say that to him, by the way, he should've, probably should've won a brownlow. For standing on the mark.

[00:16:09] Wayne: So he's a ripper. 

[00:16:10] Ayrton: The final part of this is last night it was almost Um, I don't know what the word I'm looking for is, but there was, John Platton sat alongside this last night, so the discussion around concussion and so on. And he is there talking about, you know, how it's affected his life post football.

[00:16:28] Ayrton: And that will be the AFL's argument, that we are protecting the players and their futures. How much of that should come into this sort of decision 

[00:16:37] Wayne: making? Well, well, the whole topic and what the... The reason why our game has gone the way it's gone with the sling tackle and all of the, all of the so called football actions that are no longer football actions and the accidental contact and all of those things are because of what John Platton said.

[00:16:54] Wayne: And I think the AFL have put, been quite clear with where they want to go on this, [00:17:00] which is why this is so grey. Because at the end of the day, someone has been. Knocked into next week and and not just knocked into next week. He was out. Apparently I'm hearing he was out cold for a minute Yeah now for a minute To be knocked out is a long time It's a 

[00:17:18] Ayrton: long time and he's obviously got a history angst brachior of concussion, too So do watch that space for him.

[00:17:23] Ayrton: Hopefully he gets up for we won't get up for this week But hopefully if Melbourne gets through there's 

[00:17:27] Wayne: also a little bit of criticism from some Um, again about Simon Goodwin being emotional after the game. Yeah. Give the bloke a spell. He's, he's the coach of a player that's just been, just gone to hospital.

[00:17:40] Wayne: Yeah. Of course he's going to be emotional and say things that he doesn't deserve. I, I could sit down and name every coach, including some of the ones that are softer than others. And they've all been defensive of their players. Yeah. At some, at some point, or said something that they shouldn't have said.

[00:17:56] Wayne: Mike, you cut a little bit of slack to, to, to [00:18:00] defending, especially when it's straight after a game and you're in a press conference, you're just lost by a kick and arguably your best decision maker going inside forward 50 where you've absolutely slaughtered the opposition and he's got knocked out at the start of the game, I reckon your emotions might be a little bit high.

[00:18:16] Wayne: So let's, let's, uh, let's rein that in a little bit. 

[00:18:21] Ayrton: Speaking of Brayshaw, Grant Thomas was one who suggested he contributed to the contact, and you alluded to it there. That's rhubarb. Yeah, so that can't be a thing, can it? You've got to be allowed to kick the footy. 

[00:18:31] Wayne: It's, once again, it's an ex it's someone trying to, Um, be definitive about something that's not definitive and that is, and, and, and try to stick up for the, I, you know, we all try to do and I, and I'm one of the biggest culprits of it and I admit it, I'm a player's man.

[00:18:47] Wayne: I don't want people to get rubbed out. Yeah. I don't like some of the sling tackles this year and the actual fact that three quarters of them, I've disagreed with the reports on them and, and, and the free kick for them. So I'm completely that [00:19:00] way, but none of us can be. None of us can be definitive about what we thought Maynard did, including, and I like Grant too, because I like some of his, um, I like the way he looks at the game.

[00:19:11] Wayne: Yep. Um, but I don't think that, um, he contributed to the contact. Could have he protected himself better? Um, did he have time to do that? I would say with, once again, being a professional athlete, your vision. So part, part of what Grant says is, would, would have some merit to it, but I don't, but once again, um, It's just too grey to be definitive about it.

[00:19:35] Ayrton: So Melbourne have got some issues. We always say this when it comes to finals time, when the teams that lose their qualifying final, they go, how are they going to win next week? But they do have some problems. Um, given they had 32 more inside 50s in that game, their forward line, you know, their entries were poor, but their forward line didn't look great.

[00:19:54] Ayrton: Brayshaw out. So they're, they're gonna lose Van Roy, uh, as well to suspension. [00:20:00] So what is the answer for Melbourne? Oh, my opinion. And I, this is me. You know, my opinion doesn't mean much, but I'm gonna put to you, it's your opinion. So it's right that Christian for you. Christian Petracca, he's, he's a midfield gun, but he, he has, he has to play more forward.

[00:20:16] Ayrton: We've seen how it worked when Clayton, um, you know, pre Clayton Oliver's injury now, Clayton's back. Why can't they make that work? Because I look, I look at certain moments and one thing that Petrarca does have is a physical presence around the footy and there was a moment with Bailey Fritsch where Isaac Quaynor was running back with the footy.

[00:20:33] Ayrton: He got spoken about a lot. He could have, he could have got him. Tom McDonald looked off the pace. 

[00:20:39] Wayne: When they say critic, and I, you know, and I know Um, the commentary around that as well, and yes, he could have, but what if he did get him and then got him and knocked him out and then we'd all be saying, Oh, what a stupid act he did.

[00:20:52] Wayne: He's now going to miss a week or whatever for, for incidental contact. So, you know, and I know, and I know [00:21:00] this is a, this is a physical game, but what's going through Bailey's mind there. Let's once again, let's not forget we all played the game. So it's going through his mind, given what. Um, you know, given what we're going through now with Maynard, he's, he's going, oh, you know, it's that, it's that split second decision.

[00:21:19] Wayne: Um, you know, back in the nineties, you wouldn't, it wouldn't have been a thought. And when, and I know Luke Hodge made comment on it and he wouldn't have given it a thought because guess what? Back then you did it. And he wouldn't have got suspended. And he wouldn't have got suspended. These days there's still, there's that level of, I might get rubbed out.

[00:21:36] Ayrton: Yeah. Yeah, I wonder what would have happened after you, you floored Dean Rice that day. No, you took the mark, so that's a bit different to a smother, but uh, Well, back to the original question. Melbourne's forward line. Yeah. What, what do you do? Is it Ben Brown? Is it Tom McDonald you persevere with? Do they play smaller?

[00:21:51] Ayrton: Do they go 

[00:21:52] Wayne: with Petrarca? It's decision making for me, more than, more than... More than the forwards. Yep. Yep. Yep. And, uh, just... They, they're used to the footy [00:22:00] just poor. So is it the 

[00:22:01] Ayrton: way they set up. And you are gonna defend Simon Goodwin here, but they do have that coming. They do play a bit slow at times, don't they?

[00:22:06] Ayrton: Melbourne? 

[00:22:07] Wayne: Yeah. And you, and, and that's the last thing Fords want. They don't want, they don't want slow. You want the ball to get in there with some sort of speed. It's all about angles for me. And obviously kicking the ball to your, to, uh, to your Fords advantage, but also knowing when to come into space outta space, creating space.

[00:22:25] Wayne: That's what, these are all the things that, you know, that go through your mind in a split second as a forward. So if you're in a space, and you're stationary, then you're in a space that could be used by another forward. You've got to get out of there. But you don't just get out of there if your defender doesn't come with you, because that's just dumb.

[00:22:41] Wayne: Because then you go, that space is still covered by the defender standing there. So, all of these, you know, split second decisions, and so, you know, that's, that's what they have to work on. So if I'm Goody, and I'm looking at Melbourne this week. I'm stripping it right back and saying, okay, so who are our, who are our [00:23:00] dodos?

[00:23:00] Wayne: And I say that with all respect, who are the guys that, you know, just compete, um, but, but are not necessarily have a lot of, uh, forward mouse, uh, forward IQ, then I'm, I'm just going for guys that just know where to be, um, and where not to be at the right time because it's decision making, but it's also using, using angles and.

[00:23:23] Wayne: And not making it easy for defenders. And, and I think that's what they did a lot of the other night. Um, and also once again, poor, you know, poor, poor kicking. Poor decision making, poor kicking, costs them the game. 

[00:23:35] Ayrton: Now, I'm just going to take you to task on something here, and maybe this is the Tasmanian coming out in me, but we have got some feedback about this few messages in the last few weeks.

[00:23:44] Ayrton: I think Victor might have been one of the guys who wrote in, um, about Brodie Majcek. I feel like when we've spoken about foot, you know, footballers past and present, you've often used him as a bit of an example about how the The game's gone downhill with the fall of the, 

[00:23:57] Wayne: I like I, he's a, he's a, 

[00:23:59] Ayrton: he's a about dizzy [00:24:00] play.

[00:24:00] Ayrton: Dizzy played a 

[00:24:01] Wayne: role though on does the basics very well. You, you, you 

[00:24:04] Ayrton: would, every team would have a Brody, my check in their Ford line. Would 

[00:24:07] Wayne: Brody my check? Would've he got a game at North Melbourne in the nineties? Yeah, it's 

[00:24:11] Ayrton: third forward. Yeah. He would've, he would've been, no, he wouldn't, he would've been there.

[00:24:13] Ayrton: Not even 

[00:24:14] Wayne: close. would, would, would Brody my check. Got a game in Brisbane's forward 

[00:24:17] Ayrton: line? No, but they're great teams. They're great teams, Duck. He's 

[00:24:20] Wayne: playing... No, no. He's playing in a team that finished on top of the ladder. Yeah. The Premiership favourites. They haven't won one yet. So, but listen to what I'm just saying.

[00:24:27] Wayne: We're talking about the number one forward. Is he playing a role though? I'm saying yes, he is. Has he got a game? Would he have got a game for Essendon? No. No, he wouldn't. Okay. So, so, stop being facetious and, and listen to what I'm saying. We'll use 

[00:24:41] Ayrton: someone else as your example next time, please. Just maybe avoid Tasmanians.

[00:24:45] Ayrton: There you go. 

[00:24:46] Wayne: Oh, by the way, and I, I do love. Are you going to say, I love Tassie? I love Tassie. No, I do love Tassie. Love the produce. Um, the, I like the way he plays the game. I like, I do. At least you know what [00:25:00] you're going to get. Correct. Correct. You had me at hello with that. He's, he's, he's... 

[00:25:06] Ayrton: Well, leave him alone.

[00:25:06] Ayrton: Say some nice 

[00:25:07] Wayne: things about him. No, well, he, if Brodie Mycheck wins a flag for Collingwood, in other words, if they win the flag, they should make a, a statue of Brodie. Make a statue of Brody Maek because I would sit here and say there has not been a Premiership team in the history of the game that has had a player like Brody Maek be their number one forward.

[00:25:33] Ayrton: Well, I'd love to go back through the record books. Yeah. That history of 

[00:25:37] Wayne: the game. Well, 

[00:25:37] Ayrton: I, the, the first team that comes to mind, now, I might embarrass myself here, but I'm just trying to remember West Coast, uh, early two thousands, who, who was, who was playing full forward Quentin 

[00:25:46] Wayne: Lynch, early two thousands.

[00:25:48] Wayne: Who? 

[00:25:48] Ayrton: Quentin Lynch or Phil Matera. 

[00:25:51] Wayne: When they won in, uh, when they won 

[00:25:53] Ayrton: in, I had Adam, Adam Hunter maybe was it? 

[00:25:55] Wayne: 204 or 205. Yeah. No, 06 they won. Yeah. They lost [00:26:00] 05. Won 06. Um, who was, oh, I can't remember the fact that far. What I do remember is they had an unbelievable team. Yeah, they had a very good team. They probably should have won two or three.

[00:26:11] Wayne: But no, but they didn't, you're right, I don't, I don't think from, from memory they had a, Unbelievable. 

[00:26:18] Ayrton: Yeah, I've got you there. Anyway, we'll move on to the next game. Uh, Carlton, I went to this game. Carlton, you're not happy with that. You want to go on with it? Uh, I felt really happy for Patrick Cripps. I just, there felt like a, seeing him, and you maybe haven't experienced this because you won finals early in your career, but 180 odd games in first final and wins one.

[00:26:36] Ayrton: It was like a, a relief. And, and you could sort of, I don't know, I just looked at him and thought, you deserve that, Paddy, and so well done. Oh, no, 

[00:26:44] Wayne: no question. He's been a super player, much criticised player too amongst Carlton people. I've got some Carlton mates that, you know, a couple of years ago were saying, oh, you know, he's, he's a man.

[00:26:55] Wayne: He's 

[00:26:55] Ayrton: carried 

[00:26:56] Wayne: that group for so long. Mate, that's why he has his shoulders strapped. [00:27:00] He has. And he had a year where he was carrying an injury and wasn't at his best, but, excuse me, like last year. I had to have something to eat because I had anti inflammation. Um, so, you know, he has had unbelievable years and not played footy.

[00:27:17] Wayne: You know, and not played finals footy. So, yeah, I agree. You could see how proud he was and, um, you know. They've, and without Mackay, We didn't mention that. Big Harry, he looks like he's gonna miss. Yeah, so 

[00:27:31] Ayrton: they've got their own issues. And no, Jack Martin, who's sort of, he's small, but he's played as a... He's an X Factor player.

[00:27:36] Ayrton: Yeah, he's played as that leader. Big loss. So what does Carlton do with their forward line? Big loss. So they've played without Harry before, uh... But they 

[00:27:45] Wayne: had Martin, so yeah, and he was a smart, so what I

[00:27:51] Wayne: said the other week with the multi. You're not going to believe this. You didn't You didn't include it. A mate of mine had him in the multi, and he kicked [00:28:00] that ball along the ground and hit the post. And you missed one about five minutes later, didn't you? So. Well, there's a lesson in that. Terribly out of hand.

[00:28:07] Wayne: There's a lesson in that. I did say to all those people that sent in and sent me tweets saying, oh yeah, well he's done this, he's done that. Well guess what? He's done, he's done exactly what I said. That he had to go back to the VFL, get his confidence right up because he has been nothing short of ordinary in all the games that he's played, right?

[00:28:29] Wayne: So he's going to now miss. Yep. And I don't think that's a bad thing given the form 

[00:28:34] Ayrton: he's in. So the, the choices that Carlton have seem to be recalling Jack Silvani who's only played one VFL game in about six weeks since 

[00:28:41] Wayne: injury. That's a concern, but Jack, the one thing you know you're going to get from Jack is effort.

[00:28:45] Wayne: Yep. 

[00:28:45] Ayrton: So Tom Deconing, in pit net together, but they played Deconing more forward. We've seen maybe his forward craft needs... a bit of work. So is that you just want him 

[00:28:55] Wayne: to you just want him to do what you wanted Harry to do the last few weeks [00:29:00] and that's just compete. I think he has the ability to do that.

[00:29:03] Wayne: And given that given that Jack's missed so much footy, not sure Jack given that he was on the fringe. He's not a player bring straight back in, I would have thought given where he was at 

[00:29:13] Ayrton: prior to the other one that that I saw a few Carlton fans throw around was maybe Mitch McGovern. Could you throw Mitch forward?

[00:29:20] Ayrton: Do you think because he's been settled playing good footy down back? You don't want to Rob Peter to pay Paul a little bit with him. Good footy? Some decent, some, some decent footy. Okay. 

[00:29:29] Wayne: Um, he's a failed forward that's now playing back. 

[00:29:33] Ayrton: So you're, you're shutting that one down. So what are you going with then?

[00:29:36] Ayrton: Well, you said you don't really want to bring Jack back. So what are you going with? Tom DeCount, you think Tom's going to play more forward? 

[00:29:41] Wayne: Yeah. Yeah. But, but if they do decide to bring Jack back, like I said, I, I, the one thing I I know on the games I've seen Jack play, and the way, well it's in his DNA, and that is he competes, and that's what they'll get from him.

[00:29:54] Wayne: And he'll make sure the ball comes to ground, and he'll do everything that's asked of him. And plus, [00:30:00] remember, he can play a few different roles as well. If they, you know, were to, um, you know, need a lift somewhere else, he does have that ability. So for me it's all about his, once again, no different to Harry, what I said weeks ago, it's, it's, Is he burning the track up?

[00:30:16] Wayne: What's his fitness like? So all of these things, you know, how much cross training has he been able to do? Only they know that. We don't. 

[00:30:24] Ayrton: So that game is on Friday night Melbourne against Carlton. Who is going to win that game of 

[00:30:29] Wayne: footy? I'll stick with Melbourne. I still think that, uh, you know, I still think they're arguably the best team in it.

[00:30:39] Wayne: They haven't shown that. They got beat. Um, Brisbane. Brisbane now look, just, they look, they look really, really strong, didn't they? And we're able to just, you know, go bang, bang, bang and, and, and put that game away. Um, but, I, just because of trust factor, you, you've got to go with Melbourne more than Carlton, don't you?

[00:30:59] Wayne: Carlton have [00:31:00] won their first final in so many years and I know they're riding a wave of confidence but I, I just think you trust Melbourne more, that's why I'd be going with Melbourne. 

[00:31:07] Ayrton: The other game on the weekend, you touched on Brisbane, the other game was St Kilda and GWS, um, the Saints. 

[00:31:13] Wayne: Not going into a highlights package that 

[00:31:15] Ayrton: one.

[00:31:16] Ayrton: No, I noticed actually it was the lowest rating, uh, final, I think, since, since we've been recording. Oh really? There was, no one watched it. Um. I actually went to that game. Um, GWS were impressive but St Kilda I am worried about for a few reasons and I know you've been big on Ross and the impact he's had and great effort getting to a final but the knock on the Saints a few years ago was their, their best is only going to get them to a certain level and their best this year got them to an elimination final.

[00:31:50] Ayrton: Have they got enough improvement in them to to come back? I'm worried they're going to be middle of the road. Where do you see 

[00:31:57] Wayne: them? Well, they've got to, they've got to [00:32:00] do a lot of good work in the off season. They've got to, you know, pick up, not sure what exact draft picks that they've got, but they've got to make them count.

[00:32:06] Wayne: They've got to, you know, get a, get a, hopefully a couple of free agents through the door, but they've got to build their list. They're not, they've overachieved, right? So Ross, been in the, been in the eight the whole year, finished sixth, lose their final. Um, no great surprise that they lost on the weekend. I thought they were a chance, but uh, GWS are in pretty good form.

[00:32:28] Wayne: I think they've done an amazing job. Could they miss the finals next year? Yep, they could. Could they make the finals next year with a couple of good decisions? Yeah, they could. I don't, I think one of those teams that could finish from 6th to 15th next year. And, and, you know, and that's not, I don't think I'm being Nostradamus by saying that.

[00:32:46] Wayne: I just think that, that's, that's where they're at. Ross is, Ross to be able to get them up, and let them believe in themselves enough to do what they did this year, has been a remarkable 

[00:32:55] Ayrton: effort. Uh, Max King is a guy we've spoken about a few times, and, and for a few different [00:33:00] reasons. One, because he's a forward, and you take, um, close look at the forwards.

[00:33:03] Ayrton: Also because he's had his shoulder issue. I wonder with Max, Uh, how much that's affected him late in the year. I watched him closely in that game and just felt at times they were crying out for his presence and he was maybe more worried about his opponent or the contact he was 

[00:33:18] Wayne: getting. There are better players around him.

[00:33:20] Wayne: He's not, he's not anywhere near a hundred percent fit. He's done a remarkable job to come back and, and kick goals and, and, and contribute footy this year, but there's no way, there's no possible way he could have been a hundred percent fit. Right? So he'll now have that shoulder reconstructed again. And he should be right by the, well, he, he will be right by the start of next year.

[00:33:40] Wayne: But, um, let's not forget what that guy's had. So he's had a reconstruction. He's come back. He's done it again. And then, and then tried to strengthen it up in a matter of a few weeks and then play. So he's done all of that for the benefit of his team and, and, and the footy club as a whole. So I think [00:34:00] he should be applauded for what he's been able to achieve.

[00:34:02] Wayne: So don't look at the last game and, and just understand that. It, it'd be in, it'd be in some pain as well, 

[00:34:09] Ayrton: was heading along to that game. We don't often delve into the world of, uh, politics in this podcast. We often keep sporting, oh boy, politics a little bit separate. But walking into that game, I noticed it for the first time, and it's hard to avoid at the moment, is the discussion around the voice.

[00:34:23] Ayrton: And for the first time walking in, there were people with, um, and John Farham ? No, not John Farham. Although John's lent his song to the Voice campaign. I know what you're talking about. Um, Um, there were people handing out brochures, uh, for the YES campaign. Now, uh, although some of our listeners probably, you know, hear a lot of the time on, you know, I want to just focus on sport or that sort of thing, but, uh, all of our listeners like you and I will have to vote at some stage.

[00:34:47] Ayrton: Have you given it much thought? It's 

[00:34:49] Wayne: like, it's like anything. It's, you know, religion, politics, all of the, all of the, um, I guess things that are divisive to, to [00:35:00] people because of which way they go and, and everyone has a, um, has an opinion on it. The one thing I've always said, and I always say to my children, because, you know, they've asked, you know, Dad, are we religious?

[00:35:14] Wayne: You know what I, whether, whether. I am or I'm not, the one thing that I don't do is I don't force my beliefs onto even my children. So, and that, and that includes, um, the footy team that they barrack for, believe it or not. They make their own decision up who they barrack for. I don't say you're going to barrack for North Melbourne because that's who dad played for.

[00:35:35] Wayne: So, when it comes to this, and it is a big topic at the minute, and when, how long till we? It's that big I don't even know when we vote, but that's 

[00:35:43] Ayrton: I think we've got a bit of time still to 

[00:35:44] Wayne: the referendum. I'll be voting yes, okay? Simple as that. Um, um, is there any great reason behind me voting yes? I just think it's the right thing to do.

[00:35:57] Wayne: I think it's time, you know, I think it's time. [00:36:00] Um, is, what does it do? Um, I'm not overly well read, I haven't read the whole, the whole thing, but I have a, an understanding of it. Is it a little bit of a token? Yes, in terms of not my vote. Yes, but it 

[00:36:16] Ayrton: the whole voice itself. So the voice for an advisory body Yeah, I guess that's been the argument hasn't 

[00:36:21] Wayne: it?

[00:36:21] Wayne: Yeah, and then that's the argument around it all but even if it is Tokenism I a little bit of that. I'm still I'll still vote. Yes Yeah. But, I won't be, I'm not saying that so our listeners or, or I won't be telling anyone else in my circle of friends what to vote and if they say they're voting no, I'm not going to say, Oh, why are you voting no?

[00:36:42] Wayne: You know what? You vote for what you think and don't force, don't force your opinion onto others. 

[00:36:48] Ayrton: I guess that's what has become divisive. I'm going to say now that the yes vote is about 40 and maybe it's 60 percent no and so it will, it'll be interesting to see how that goes. The AFL. Don't vote. I'll be voting yes, [00:37:00] but I don't think it's going to have a huge 

[00:37:02] Wayne: impact.

[00:37:03] Wayne: I reckon you're just copying 

[00:37:04] Ayrton: me. I don't think it'll have a huge impact on my life. So I feel like if it's going to be a positive for some other people, then why not? Yeah. Um, did you like that little offshoot? 

[00:37:16] Wayne: Yeah. I didn't know that it was coming up. 

[00:37:19] Ayrton: Put you on the spot. That's alright. Well, I just like seeing your initial thoughts.

[00:37:23] Ayrton: Yeah, well. 

[00:37:24] Wayne: Well, you know what, my, when it comes to politics, probably my thoughts aren't that important. 

[00:37:30] Ayrton: Yeah, I couldn't see you sitting down watching every, um, question time or... I actually just 

[00:37:34] Wayne: recently got, got a fine for the, the last, um... Oh, you didn't vote? I, well, it wasn't my fault. I was actually doing a charity walk for 24 hours and I lined up to vote.

[00:37:47] Wayne: And the line took too long. That's where you get your sausage. Before people, before people, and before people be, uh, smart Alex about this, but I don't, I don't do lines. I don't line up. [00:38:00] I don't line up. Okay? I, if the line up, if the line up. Because they didn't invite you to the front. If the line up, if the line up is any longer than, probably two.

[00:38:10] Wayne: Metres? No. People? Two people. Oh yeah. I'm giving it a miss. And that includes. That includes the Eiffel Tower, that includes the Mona Lisa, that includes anything, anything. 

[00:38:23] Ayrton: Well that's an issue for you overseas because you can't walk up and go, 

[00:38:26] Wayne: oh, I'm the king. It's still, it's still, it's still that value over there.

[00:38:29] Wayne: No, no, it doesn't matter. You know what has value over there? Right? With a hundred in your hand. 

[00:38:35] Ayrton: Uh, you know what you're doing now? You get the postal vote out now, that's the, that's the easy 

[00:38:39] Wayne: part. Yeah, I know and that's what I should have done. But anyway, that's why I didn't get it done and I've got the fine so I've got to pay the fine.

[00:38:46] Ayrton: Did you, um, did you watch the U S C yesterday? Oh, 

[00:38:49] Wayne: some of our, I told you what I was doing yesterday. It went to the footy. So you did, you would you normally watch it if it's a good, if it's a good card. So I 

[00:38:55] Ayrton: noticed it was in Melbourne this 

[00:38:56] Wayne: time. Yeah. If it's a really good card, I'll watch it. 

[00:38:59] Ayrton: I, I [00:39:00] remember when it was last in Melbourne, when Rhonda Rousey, uh, that was huge at that time when she was here, and then she lost another big upset yesterday.

[00:39:07] Ayrton: It, it'd be, I just, the thing I think about U F C when I look at it is imagine the mindset of jumping in that cage. It's, it's, It is really 

[00:39:16] Wayne: well, given that you're too scared to say to your neighbor that they've got a barking dog. I would have, I would have thought that you'd be a little bit scared to jump in the cage.

[00:39:25] Wayne: Um, yeah. And you know what's great about the UFC and the difference between the UFC and boxing right now is that it's the belts are unified. That's why, that's why I love it. That's why I think people, um, relate to it more so than boxing at the minute. 

[00:39:39] Ayrton: Yep. So there's an undisputed, 

[00:39:41] Wayne: undisputed champ in every weight division and that's how it should be.

[00:39:45] Ayrton: When we look around the world of sport, there are some other things that caught my eye that I was going to ask you about, uh, as a sports person on Coco Goff. So 19 year old us tennis player, she, she burst onto the scene when she was 15 or something like 

[00:39:57] Wayne: that. A lot of them burst on when they're younger, [00:40:00] it is a young person 

[00:40:00] Ayrton: sport, particularly on the women's side.

[00:40:02] Ayrton: So she had big reps, but maybe hadn't had the success some were hoping for, but even though she's only 19. And, and bit harsh, but, and that, well, that was her, that was her. Uh, who, who's ringing you there, mate? Ding, bat dinging. Bat. Uh, she, she maybe hadn't had the success. Some were expected. And then more recently, she's started winning a little bit and she won the US Open.

[00:40:24] Ayrton: She, uh, post-game said basically, thank you to all the haters for, for doubting me. That's given me great motivation. How much of that does. Is part of your motivation. So I would have thought it would be more internal rather than external. That 

[00:40:40] Wayne: is internal when you think about it. So it's external. She's taking the external, making it internal.

[00:40:47] Wayne: Yeah. Yep. So, so if you need to do that to get yourself up, then. You know, why not? And a lot of people have, uh, I think had successful, um, careers or successful moments [00:41:00] because of doubters. But they, that's, that's what they do. They, they, they, they have this great ability to, to, to think that they're the underdog.

[00:41:07] Wayne: You know, they're the, they're, you know, it's, it's us against the world and. You know, every now and then, obviously team sports a little bit different to individual sports, and I'm not sure whether she's got a coach, but her coach might be driving that and saying, you know, no one thinks you can win, you know, and every now and then, you know, your coach can, I think, give that to the whole team, but it can't be overused.

[00:41:33] Wayne: You have to have self motivation and how you get that is self motivation and how you get that is you. Anyway that, anyway you want and anyway that helps you and whether that's, you know, hanging up a picture of, you know, I don't know if he's a karate kid and you're hanging up a picture of whoever you.

[00:41:50] Wayne: You know, got a fight, fight, what was his name? What, Mr Miyagi? No, that was his trainer. Oh, he's got a fight, sorry. Yeah, yeah, but putting them up on the, oh, [00:42:00] like, um, you know, Rocky putting Drago up on the, you know, when he was training. He's had the picture of Drago. So, you know, whatever, whatever helps you motivate, then, then use it.

[00:42:10] Wayne: When you 

[00:42:10] Ayrton: look at your, uh, again, Coco Goff is a, she's playing individual sport, as you alluded to, versus team sports. But you would look around your changing room, probably at North Melbourne. People would have different reasons for playing different reasons, different motivations, and some would have stronger motivations than others.

[00:42:27] Ayrton: How, how aware of that are you as, as a leader and, and, and as, 

[00:42:31] Wayne: as a teammate? Oh, you, when, when you play a team sport, you're aware of those players at some that need a lift. And you need to get over and have a chat too, that might be quite insular and, and be having self doubt and all of those things. So they're, they're, they're the times that you, and that is understanding.

[00:42:49] Wayne: That is the thing about, that's the great thing about team sport. That's the difference. You know, you, you, you get those relationships, you get that, um, feeling of, of [00:43:00] when someone needs to be picked up and sometimes when someone needs to be cut down as well, because you can see them walking around the room thinking.

[00:43:07] Wayne: You know, their poo doesn't smell, and they're about to come up on a, a player, a really good player, and, you know, you can just see the cockiness or whatever, so you need to go over and just... 

[00:43:17] Ayrton: Would anyone have ever done that to you? Probably should have. Who were the senior guys at North Melbourne that you might have been, um, when you first came onto the scene, that you might have been, not intimidated by, but maybe 

[00:43:27] Wayne: respected?

[00:43:27] Wayne: No, I listened to everyone. Especially Dennis. Yeah. Dennis pulled me. Dennis would, uh, come over if he thought I was getting ahead of myself, and... And, uh, pull me up during the, during the week, if he thought that was the case. And generally got the right result, so he knew the right buttons to push. 

[00:43:43] Ayrton: Uh, after that match, it was Irina Sabalenka, Cocoa Golf's opponent.

[00:43:47] Ayrton: Uh, who, uh, it's a bit of vision that came out this morning. And you, you don't often see it, you're not more set during the game. But she took her bag and she had her trophy. She was in the change rooms after the game. It was in the, it was in the warm up area, so they still had the cameras on her. She took [00:44:00] her racket out of her bag, smashed it, and then put it in the rubbish bin.

[00:44:04] Wayne: So she would have been 

[00:44:04] Ayrton: aware that the cameras were in the way? I'd say she probably, I'd say she probably did. It was, I just thought it was unusual that that happened post game, but that was obviously her frustration and she'd held on to it and then disposed of it after the game. Have you, have 

[00:44:16] Wayne: you, have you...

[00:44:16] Wayne: It's your racket's fault. Yeah, 

[00:44:17] Ayrton: exactly. Have you seen much of the, have you seen 

[00:44:20] Wayne: much of that in a... I'd have thought you'd be a bloke that would blame your tools more so than your ability. Uh, yeah, 

[00:44:25] Ayrton: I'd, I'd be a racket smasher I reckon. Eh? I'd get pretty frustrated. Or if 

[00:44:28] Wayne: you, or if you, you know, I don't know, you can't...

[00:44:31] Wayne: You can't put something together, you blame the instructions, or, or the, or the screwdriver's not straight, or the hammer's... I couldn't 

[00:44:38] Ayrton: do that. Just speaking of tennis, I, I, well, I remember playing a game against a mate down at Devonport Tennis Club in Tassie in the... You know how they had the local pro...

[00:44:47] Ayrton: They have a lot of competition down there. Nah, it wasn't competition, but there was a, the local pro was just sitting in the, he was sitting in the club rooms, just watching us play. We didn't realise he was here, but we came off. And he said, that was the worst game of [00:45:00] tennis I've ever watched. 

[00:45:02] Wayne: He sat there and watched it.

[00:45:03] Ayrton: Yeah, so it was obviously, obviously not particularly high standard. 

[00:45:07] Wayne: And obviously terribly bored. Yeah, well, when you sit... Well, why would he sit 

[00:45:10] Ayrton: there and watch? Because he's got to sit there, you know, he's letting people into the tennis club. You see, he's got nothing else to do down there. So he's a security, not a...

[00:45:16] Ayrton: It was a ding dong battle, it was a security, not a, not a... It wasn't security. No, anyway, uh, back to the original question. You ever seen, ever seen any post game tantrums? It's probably more, you'd see more in cricket maybe than footy. Would you see any tantrums in footy? 

[00:45:29] Wayne: They do it. I've seen, well, guys have come off and, you know, kick the, kick the bench and, you know, even, um, you know, refuse to take the phone to, to the coach and that sort of thing.

[00:45:41] Wayne: But I, from memory, I think Peter Bell ran home from the MCG one day after not playing. Like he thought he should, and, uh, so jogged home. 10, 15 k's or something it was. That's ridiculous. Yeah. Well, not my, uh, not the way I would have gone. I just, you know, you play a bad game, you go [00:46:00] out, um, do it responsibly, obviously, but you go out, you have a couple of beers with your mates, they lift you up, and you move on very quickly.

[00:46:09] Wayne: And then same on the flip side, you play well, you go out to your mates, they knock you down, and you move on very quickly. That was my theory. 

[00:46:17] Ayrton: It still on the world of sport. Uh, Novak Kovich won the men's, uh, US open and his 24th grand slam. So he is, you know, he is world clear and the men, he's, you know, um, Margaret caught, won 24 in a different area for d different era for the women, there's, it's.

[00:46:33] Ayrton: reignited the discussion around, you know, greatest of all time. We chatted in a tennis sense earlier this year when we compared him to Roger and Rafa and all of these guys. Now I've seen the discussion around whether he's in the conversation for all sports and I know it's even harder to compare all sports but it.

[00:46:53] Ayrton: It's an interesting one in terms of what you value in different sports and how you compare different sports who in team sport versus [00:47:00] individual I've seen a lot of US lists are very That they go towards, you know baseball and and and American football, but who is US bias? So who is in the conversation is Novak up there 

[00:47:14] Wayne: like it?

[00:47:15] Wayne: Yeah Yeah I said when we had the previous conversation earlier is I listened to a guy by the name of Bruce McIvaney that He, I think he said to me that he thinks Novak will end up being the greatest of all time. You can't compare eras though, like you go back. So take 

[00:47:31] Ayrton: it out of tennis, I'm talking all sports now.

[00:47:33] Wayne: Yeah, all sports. 

[00:47:34] Ayrton: So like is 

[00:47:35] Wayne: he up there with MJ or? Michael Phelps has got to be in the argument as one of the greatest athletes of all time. What he's done in swimming. Uh, Michael Jordan, team sport, Muhammad Ali. Boxing. Yep. Um. 

[00:47:49] Ayrton: Usain Bolt's done. 

[00:47:50] Wayne: Usain. Yeah, 100%. He's got to be in the argument. Um, you know, so when it comes to team, you are, you are, yeah, [00:48:00] you are relying on your teammates, even though Michael, you know, made his teammates better.

[00:48:05] Wayne: Um, I think when you're looking at, if you're talking about the greatest athlete, it's got to be more the individual sport. That's just, that's just, that's once again, just an opinion. 

[00:48:17] Ayrton: And I guess that's, it's also, you know, how many people play that sport, because, you know, when you see the US lists in their American football, suddenly, you know, hardly anyone plays that.

[00:48:24] Ayrton: When you look at someone like, say, a Messi or a Maradona or Cristiano Ronaldo, you know, that soccer is played the world 

[00:48:30] Wayne: over. One, and that is, and that is so true, but that's, you know, and in all team sports, and that's why, that's why I think in team sport, there's always going to be an argument. for one person over another.

[00:48:43] Wayne: Um, and there's always going to be conjecture and grey. So Jordan, um, you know, or King James, or you've got Messi or Ronaldo, or Maradona. So, you know, the same names generally get thrown up. Um, often championships dictate what, you know, for [00:49:00] instance, Tom Brady, you know, you talk to people that follow NFL, they say there were more, more talented quarterbacks than Tom Brady, but he won.

[00:49:07] Wayne: You know, more championships. So, um, you know, that's that, that people put a lot of weight in that rather than say, well, he wasn't as good a quarterback. So, you know, you're always going to get an 

[00:49:19] Ayrton: argument. The other name that I've found interesting at times in this discussion, I saw, uh, Piers Morgan, I think it might have been, who's not, you know, not often you're biased towards people from your own country, but he's British and he, Suggested Sir Donald Bradman because his record compared to everybody else is just so much better.

[00:49:37] Wayne: Well, well, well that's, that's not exactly, uh, you know, light bulb moment. Is it? I guess a lot of, like, everyone's acknowledged Sir 

[00:49:46] Ayrton: Donald, but a lot of pe a lot of people Yeah. In the US play with a toothpick. A lot of people in the US or wherever wouldn't, wouldn't know who he's, so, I guess that's right.

[00:49:53] Wayne: Batted with a toothpick and you know, and you know, had that sort of record. Just, yeah, [00:50:00] the flyer's logic, yeah, so clearly he's the best just because of the, because of... Well I want to throw, I want 

[00:50:05] Ayrton: to throw that, I want to throw that question open to our listeners and get some feedback and maybe we'll share that on our next show.

[00:50:12] Ayrton: We normally spend quite a lot of time on our listener questions, we've got so many, we've got so many that we're going to break it off into a separate episode and keep them coming in because we love the questions and they are growing. 

[00:50:27] Wayne: And we did get, uh, I did have a few people come up to me over the weekend, um, and not talk about the exquisite package, but talk about, um, the fact that we didn't really give tips last week.

[00:50:39] Wayne: And so I want to give, I want to give some tips this week. I think Melbourne will beat Carlton and I think Port Adelaide. Defeat GWS. 

[00:50:50] Ayrton: Oh, thanks for that. You've gone for the two favourites. 

[00:50:53] Wayne: Thanks, mate. I appreciate that. Oh, well, okay. But they just wanted a tip. That's just what I think. So [00:51:00] that makes it, so it'll be Melbourne, Melbourne will be playing Brisbane.

[00:51:02] Wayne: And Port Adelaide will be playing Collingwood. And I have got on first hand that Port Adelaide will get to wear their traditional Guernsey. Oh Marty, look at your eye! What are you saying? No, so they're my tips for the weekend. So I think it's going to be, like I said, a big prelim. So it still could be, well it could be Brisbane, Collingwood, but imagine if it was Brisbane, Port Adelaide.

[00:51:31] Wayne: If it went that way and then... 

[00:51:33] Ayrton: Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't love that, that I, I'd find that a bit more Could, can it be car? It can be cut in colinwood, can't it? Because Carlton's on the other side to the pies. Correct. So Carlton will go out and play Brisbane. Yeah, that'd, that'd be, I mean, imagine that, that'd be, that'd be monstrous 

[00:51:46] Wayne: in Melbourne.

[00:51:46] Wayne: Oh yeah. Well, anyway, that's a long way away. 

[00:51:49] Ayrton: I was looking at the crowds from, of 90, you know, 90,000 thinking how good's this you. You obviously played in front of crowd big crowds at North Melbourne Collingwood would would [00:52:00] play in front of it every week Does it make a difference coming up against that 

[00:52:03] Wayne: sort of crowd would have to I would have to and that's why I think Carlton And Carlton spoke about it all week, and it was very whoever I assume, you know, Vossie or, you know, and well not just assume, they've played, since they've got on that run, they've, they've turned out the blue supporters.

[00:52:19] Wayne: So they do play in front of big crowds, um, so therefore, you know, it doesn't. Mean or make that bigger difference Whether it's a final or it's saying that it's knockout and it's you know, it's been knockout for them last week It's almost been knockout for Carlton to be honest with you about ten weeks.

[00:52:36] Wayne: Yeah, so they've they've they've stood up They've stood up. So it's gonna be a fascinating game that one ever 

[00:52:42] Ayrton: since you ever since you wrote him off 

[00:52:44] Wayne: Yep, wrote him off but did say that that make it 

[00:52:47] Ayrton: Well, thanks again for listening on The True Thirds. We'll be back again next week, but also keep an ear out for our secondary episode, which will have all your questions and the answers, uh, from the man alongside me, The Duck.