Season 1 - EP #31 - Cripps and Daniher’s time to stand up, Duck’s Mad Monday Do’s and Dont’s and Fagan’s honesty

Season 1 - EP #31 - EP #31 - Cripps and Daniher’s time to stand up, Duck’s Mad Monday Do’s and Dont’s and Fagan’s honesty.

Join Wayne Carey and Ayrton Woolley as they jump into episode 31 of the show.

Hear Wayne & Ayrton talk about Ayrton's Mad Monday, Duck's do's and don'ts, who will win this week 1 of finals and more.

Ayrton and Wayne also discuss toxic shame and Chris Fagan's honesty, Cripps and Daniher standing up, Charlie Dixon X Factor and who the Roos should trade.

Tune in to hear more listener questions and an extended cut on possum's.

Chapter Markers:

0:00-2:45 - Duck bumping into the King Wally Lewis again at the Brisbane Airport.

2:45 - 5:45- Ayrton’s feeling dusty after his Mad Monday/Sunday celebrations and being in the Dog House.

5:15 - 6:00 - Duck’s drinking advice and how the times have changed.

6:00 - 10:30 - Duck’s 7 straight preliminary finals that made his Mad Monday celebrations fall on the Brownlow night.

10:30 - 13:25  - Duck on getting it right with Toby Greene as All-Australian team and some mistakes in the team.

13:25 - 17:10 - Duck saying the bye actually now has to go

17:10 - 20:20 - Who wins out of the Dees and Pies?

20:20 - 22:45 - Who wins Carlton vs Sydney?

22:45 - 25:00 - Wayne on not dreaming of dominating a final and how to prepare. Voss compared to Cripps and their burden.

25:00 - 26:10 - GWS vs StKilda who wins?

26:10 -28:10 - Brisbane vs Port Adelaide who wins? How important is Joe Daniher?

28:10 - 29:00 - Duck on toxic shame and how much respect he has for Chris Fagan

29:00 - 31:28 - Duck’s thoughts on Taryn Thomas

31:28 - 32:35 - Listener comments on Duck’s possum chat, thanks listeners Paul and Anthony.

32:35 - 33:50 - Wayne and Ayrton on listener comments on the first openly gay AFL footballer and the KISS question playing at the GF.

33:50 - 37:28 - Listener comments on Toby missing the chance to secure a home final and being upset with Duck comparing eras wrong.

37:28 - 38:45 - Listener comments on Charlie Dixon X factor and how he can turn a game!

38:45 - end - Duck on cricket and afl players who have a possum, sending your suggestions!

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Transcript

episode 31

[00:00:00] 

[00:00:00] Ayrton: Well, we're back again for another episode of The Truth. Stop laughing at me already. We've only just started. Duck, good 

[00:00:04] Wayne: to see you, mate. Yes, it's always a little bit dangerous this time of year, isn't it? And not, and we know why. Because everyone has their mad Mondays. You've got all these, uh, parties. It's a bit like spring carnival.

[00:00:16] Wayne: It's around that time. You just, you know, you never know. You, you roll up to work. You're a bit dusty. Be fair to say. Now, I've just been on a, you know, a working weekend away to Brisbane and, um, come back fresh as a day. The other than, by the way, the, uh, the airline being delayed, like a lot of airlines are, but at Flying Virgin, you're not going to believe who I've run into before we get into your shenanigans and talk about mad Mondays and everyone that's having one at the moment and whether you should have one or not.

[00:00:46] Wayne: But I'm in the Virgin Lounge, plane delayed. It is absolutely chockers. Like, not a seat, so literally had to do two or three laps around, uh, the Virgin Lounge. Eventually got a seat. You wouldn't believe who just walked in. [00:01:00] Who Wal the King Wally Lewis . King Wally walked in and I thought, oh, what do I, you know, I thought, well, last time I met him we were doing a leak.

[00:01:11] Wayne: Um, you know, should I go up? They did about three laps. I didn't, I didn't, I I wasn't a dad. You didn't say anything. I didn't say anything. There was a lot of people around. I didn't want to, um, I don't know. I didn't want him to feel uncomfortable. You, I could already see that he felt a bit uncomfortable walking around the lounge and not finding a seat.

[00:01:28] Wayne: 'cause he had to, he literally had to do three laps. So 

[00:01:30] Ayrton: they don't have VIP seats for you, you, 

[00:01:32] Wayne: you guys, or? You would have thought so. You would have, like, you would have thought we could just walk up and say, Hey, there's two kings in the house. 

[00:01:41] Ayrton: I'm taking some deep breaths here. This has got to be a bit since, since you 

[00:01:44] Wayne: started.

[00:01:45] Wayne: but it was, uh, yeah, so you know what? Great weekend up in Brisbane, by the way, what a beautiful city Brisbane has become. I'm not saying that it wasn't years ago, but you, you go there. What were you, what were you doing up there? Southbank, little bit of work. Um, and, and you know what, when the [00:02:00] fireworks off the bridge, not quite Sydney Harbour, but it's uh, quite spectacular.

[00:02:05] Wayne: The fireworks went for about an hour and a half, I reckon they're making up for all the fireworks that we didn't have for two years, all in one go. But all, all in all, really, you know, it's, it's a very underrated place. I reckon Brisbane, I'll take your word for it, thoroughly enjoyed it, albeit a little bit late today because of the, the, uh, the, the airline, um, being delayed.

[00:02:27] Wayne: What about you? You look as rusty as an old gate, all because you play in the division 28 twos and you've come here a little bit dusty because you've had a, what a mad Sunday, not a mad Monday. Look, 

[00:02:41] Ayrton: it's, uh, it's been. An unexpected 24 hours. So, the twos who I play with at Yarraville were knocked out last week.

[00:02:50] Ayrton: The seniors played yesterday. Uh, maybe expected them to win, so I wasn't really planning on what was going to happen. Oh, they got knocked out? They lost. Uh, they probably should have won. [00:03:00] They were four goals down at quarter time and then from there it was pretty even. But, uh, I was home on the couch last night about 8.

[00:03:06] Ayrton: 30. I just had a couple of cans by myself, I was going nowhere, I was about to go to bed, then all of a sudden the phone started going off, oh you better get down, you know when you have those crossroads moments where you go, oh should I, 

[00:03:18] Wayne: shouldn't I? I've got to do a lot of, maybe I should do a ducks, do's and don'ts, ducks, do's and don'ts.

[00:03:26] Wayne: That would be, that would be 

[00:03:27] Ayrton: interesting. I don't know how much of that I should be taking on board 

[00:03:30] Wayne: to be honest. There's a lot of don'ts, there's a lot of don'ts right, but the one thing you don't do. You've got home, you've got your beautiful partner and your little baby, and it's 8. 30, so clearly, you don't go.

[00:03:44] Wayne: That's just a, you know what, that's the best excuse you can have. It's too late, you've got to, you've got to, you've got to. Well, that would have been the smart call. Well, you've got to pretty much throw a few down very quickly to catch up, because you don't want to be the bloke there that rolls up and you're sort of, uh, you know, Mr.

[00:03:58] Wayne: Strady 180 and everyone else [00:04:00] is flying. So you just want to, so you've got to throw a few down. And you got off the couch and did that. 

[00:04:06] Ayrton: Stupidity. Most unusual. I haven't been out for, that was going through my head, I haven't been out for a while, so tonight I'll go out. I hope 

[00:04:12] Wayne: you're in trouble at home, you deserve it.

[00:04:14] Ayrton: I, I am in the doghouse, which is fair enough, because I said I'm just gonna go for a couple and then... A couple turned into more than a couple and it was very late by the time I got home, uh, I was also late for the podcast. I apologize. I put the wrong address in the Uber . I ended up in been, I nodded, I nodded off in the Uber and ended up on the other side of 

[00:04:31] Wayne: the city.

[00:04:32] Wayne: It does bring up and it, okay, so that, that's a mad Sunday. That's, that's basically been knocked outta the finals and you're all drowning. Sorry. So we've delayed, we've delayed 

[00:04:40] Ayrton: Mad Monday for you. They were going to have it today and I said, I can't be there because I've got the podcast. Are you that 

[00:04:45] Wayne: popular?

[00:04:45] Wayne: A Twos player is that popular? That they've delayed, that's a load of rumours. Next, next week. There is no way they've delayed it for you. I can guarantee you that. And a few others. Yeah, I would have thought so. But it does bring up the quip because Mad Mondays went out with Abba, [00:05:00] although Abba's still in.

[00:05:01] Wayne: So you know what I mean by that. Abba's been out for a long time. Yeah, 

[00:05:07] Ayrton: I understand. You know what I'm saying. Yes, I'm 

[00:05:09] Wayne: saying. Yeah. So. Do you have one? Don't you have one? Um, local clubs. I know in the country, you know, they still love having them and they did. I'm not sure about now, but it is a, it does raise that question because invariably that you can end up.

[00:05:24] Wayne: You know, people, or they get in trouble with their partners or whatever it may be, they go a little bit too hard. They, you know, they end up drunk and disorderly. They, it just creates a lot of stupidity. I think what we've, what we've done, um, in the new world is we've, in this new world that we now live, is we've become a lot more responsible in not encouraging people to get too intoxicated.

[00:05:49] Wayne: Or to go home at the right time. So we give them better advice than what we once got back in the day. Because it was always, Oh, stay, have one more, have one more. And if you left, [00:06:00] if you ghosted and took off on someone without letting them know, then it was like, Oh yeah, that was weak. Why would you do that?

[00:06:06] Wayne: But if you get around and say goodbye to everyone, you end up staying there for another three hours. It's a problem. It is a problem. There's all these little pros and cons. And it, and it, it does take me back to when. Um, during the 90s, and I know it always comes back to a little story, but because we played in seven straight prelims, remembering, uh, only three of those were grand finals, so there were four mad Mondays where I had to go to the Brownlow Medal.

[00:06:30] Ayrton: Oh, so your Monday was Brownlow 

[00:06:34] Wayne: Medal So Monday. So we, we've, we've drowned our sorrows. If we had a Friday night game, so we've gone Saturday, Sunday. Mad Monday is there. And, I've, I'm obviously, being the captain, I'm at the Mad Monday. And I'll never forget on a couple of occasions, and, two reasons why I had to go to the Brownlow.

[00:06:52] Wayne: Do you know the two? Well, 

[00:06:53] Ayrton: you haven't won one, so it wasn't, it wasn't because you 

[00:06:55] Wayne: know the two reasons why I'd have to be at the Brownlow? 

[00:06:57] Ayrton: Why? Tell me, no, you tell me. To be there for 

[00:06:59] Wayne: [00:07:00] Corey McKernan? Well, one of the main reasons why, well, we, we were in the Grand Final that year. Okay. Which we won. But one of the reasons why, um, I have to be at the grand final is because I'm the captain.

[00:07:10] Wayne: So even if you're suspended or it doesn't matter what you, you have to go as captain, you've, you get a seat at the table, right? And the other reason why you ha the only other reason why you have to go is if you're one of the favorites right now. So happened, I got the double whammy most times, . Look how happy you are, you 

[00:07:28] Ayrton: idiot.

[00:07:29] Wayne: So, so predictive. I remember in I m I remember a couple of times. I'm on the Mad Monday and I remember, uh, Sally and the a Ffl and who was scarier, the footy club all ringing me saying, well, Sally was living in Wagga at the time and we were da, you know, young. But I remember, uh, I dunno what year it was, but I said to her, come down, we go, you know, we, we've gotta go to the Brownlow and then all of a sudden it's four o'clock on a Monday and I'm still at the MAD Monday.[00:08:00] 

[00:08:01] Wayne: We've got the, I get the phone call from Greg Miller or Jeff Walsh, um, can't remember which one and then I remember saying, well, just let the AFL know I'm not, I won't be there. And they said, well, you've got to be there. You are actually one of the favourites. And, you know, you're the captain of the club.

[00:08:17] Wayne: You've got to do the right thing. And I said, well, I'm not in the condition to be going to the Brownlow. So I just won't be there. So you did not go? So they rang the AFL. The AFL, quite sternly, I think, said, look, he's got to go or there'll be some type of fine or sanction or something. Yep. Um, so invariably, I, Someone came and picked me up at about 5, 5.

[00:08:35] Wayne: 30, got a suit on and, uh, got the, I eventually went on that particular occasion. But, it is a, it is a, it's, it's, those sides that get, get knocked out and you can see the teams that do get knocked out in that last week and when they do roll up on that Monday, normally they're the most dusty guys that don't want to be there.

[00:08:58] Wayne: Absolutely. And [00:09:00] it, it, but it does bring up all these questions. I'm, I'm glad you at least got here. 

[00:09:03] Ayrton: So have you got any tips for me for, for Mad Monday for next week? So it's a concern next week, is it? Uh, well, well, they, no, they're delaying it till after the other night. So a fortnight away now. So I've got a bit of time to prepare.

[00:09:14] Ayrton: Um, some blokes will be dressed up. I don't think I'll dress up. I'll, I'll 

[00:09:17] Wayne: make a, I'll make a prediction right here and right now. Given your shenanigans last night and how you look and how you smell from here. Yeah. I don't reckon there is any chance you're going to be at the Mad Monday next week. I reckon you're going to have your handbrake Just avoid it.

[00:09:33] Wayne: No. No, it won't be your choice. I reckon the big handbrake's going to go, I can tell. I did try 

[00:09:41] Ayrton: and justify myself this morning to my partner. She, she's very tolerant. She will generally let me do what it, like, I feel very lucky in that regard. I reckon you'll be gone next week. I said this morning, I let you know, I told you where I was.

[00:09:53] Ayrton: I I haven't been out in a while. I didn't really spend much money. Nah, you're [00:10:00] 

[00:10:00] Wayne: done. You're done for next 

[00:10:02] Ayrton: week. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. So 

[00:10:05] Wayne: it's the awards time of the year. Yep. There's plenty, plenty going on. We've, uh, we've, you know, I was right again. Uh, Toby Green was named captain. You said Bonham Pelly.

[00:10:13] Wayne: Bonham Pelly was named the best captain voted by His peers. His peers, which is a great achievement. Yep. Um, but in saying that, the AFL have decided, or that, That group of people have decided that Toby was the best captain. So I think they got it right. What did you think of the all Australian team, by the way?

[00:10:30] Wayne: Did any mistakes in your opinion? Well, it wasn't 

[00:10:32] Ayrton: far away from what we had. The one that I would have liked to have seen at least got on the bench was Libba. I thought he could have been there. Um, outside of that, no, it's pretty similar to, I think, 

[00:10:42] Wayne: what we had. There are a few, there are a few, uh, unusual.

[00:10:45] Wayne: What, what did you, what did you think? Wilkie was a surprise for me. I know he's had a really good year, but he was just a surprise. He's a, he's a back pocket, uh, half back flanker for me. more so than he is a fullback. Okay. And 

[00:10:58] Ayrton: that's where he was known. He's got a good one-on-one [00:11:00] record, I think. Cal Wilkie.

[00:11:01] Wayne: Yeah. Yeah. That can be so ey that can be misconstrued just like all the other stats that they come up with. 

[00:11:06] Ayrton: So Lockey, um, made it, albeit on the bench. So you would've been happy with that in the end. Yeah. 

[00:11:10] Wayne: Well, well done. You know, he, he, did they leave it to the last game till he kicked nine goals and then say, well, yeah.

[00:11:17] Wayne: Okay. We, well, he just slips in on the bench. Uh, look, it's a good effort to kick the amount of goals that he has in a team that's, um, struggled so. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very happy for him. I was surprised though, I didn't think they'd go with the three 

[00:11:30] Ayrton: tools. The other, the other question I had for you was, and a guy we've spoken a fair bit about this year on The Truth Hurts, is Nick Dacos.

[00:11:37] Ayrton: He was named on the ball. 

[00:11:40] Wayne: Which is absolute crap. I thought, I could not believe it. And what about our mate Jaco said, and named in the Ruck, Nick Dacos. I couldn't have been happier when he stuffed that up, big Jaco. You've seen him 

[00:11:54] Ayrton: recently, have you seen him since that or was it before that? No, I saw him before that.

[00:11:58] Ayrton: Okay, so you haven't 

[00:11:58] Wayne: reminded me. But I was [00:12:00] very happy when he, when he said Ruck, Nick Dacos. No, and that hasn't been. Um, that have, hasn't been mentioned enough, like, we've been, we say over and over and over again, why do we name people in positions that they don't play? And Nick, just so they could squeeze one more player in, was named as the rover.

[00:12:20] Wayne: So he did 

[00:12:20] Ayrton: play a little bit on ball later, but he's half back for you 

[00:12:23] Wayne: still. He played half back most of the year. So he got, he moved up onto the ball. So to put him on the ball in the All Australian team, I thought was a mistake. Now, should he have been in the All Australian team? Categorically yes, but not in the position that they put him.

[00:12:36] Wayne: That's the, that's the thing that we all get, you know, we all get grumpy about. It's just them, you know, putting people in when they, when they shouldn't be in those positions. 

[00:12:47] Ayrton: Yep, absolutely fair. Uh, speaking of Collingwood, big game Thursday night, finals kick off this week. So, what are we thinking about these games?

[00:12:55] Ayrton: I want to have a look at them. Um, that is a big game, Collingwood Melbourne. Kind of feel [00:13:00] like whoever wins that game, It has a foot in the door of a grand final, 

[00:13:03] Wayne: don't they? I'll tell you what I have done, and we'll put this out, I'm actually going to change my mind and say that I was wrong. Again. For the twice this year.

[00:13:12] Wayne: You should have been wrong a bit. Twice. But then I ended up being right, because Carlton made the appeal. I think this buy that we've just had, I'm now saying don't have it. Oh, you're on my side now, you didn't tell me this. I'm saying don't have it. 

[00:13:25] Ayrton: So 

[00:13:25] Wayne: why have you changed your mind? Oh, I'm, I'm just thinking now that it's more important to have it before the grand final.

[00:13:32] Wayne: That's why I think you've gotta have one. Yep. But I think it's before the Grammy not, not so you're 

[00:13:36] Ayrton: thinking '

[00:13:37] Wayne: cause of concussion. I think for that reason, and rather than worry about the fittest teams for all of the teams, which is what I was saying, that was my argument coming in after, you know, being in Brisbane and just, you know, sitting around and just thinking about, um, you know, just life.

[00:13:56] Wayne: And this popped into my head and I thought, no, I'm now thinking that [00:14:00] it would be better. Clean run, build up over 14 days into the grand final. Just like they do the Super Bowl, they have the week off. You know, they get that little bit of extra time. And then just the build up, you get more, you get more interviews, you get more out of the players leading up to it.

[00:14:17] Wayne: You know, just make it a massive festival leading in. And, and yeah, I guess find out a lot more about some people that you, you might know about more functions, more, more everything. Just make it a, you know, like, like the real Melbourne show for two weeks. It's funny. I 

[00:14:32] Ayrton: actually, uh, I am against buys altogether.

[00:14:35] Ayrton: I don't think we should have any, but I did enjoy the weekend watching a fair bit of local footy. I'd say that's the, that was the one. highlight for me being able to go to it. I went to Box Hill, I got a mate coaching at Box Hill. Uh, he played on the, they played on the Saturday and Yarraville played on the Sunday.

[00:14:50] Ayrton: I'd say that was the only thing I enjoyed about the weekend, not having the footy. But, the, why do we need a break at all? Why do we need to? Well, because you want the 

[00:14:59] Wayne: best spectacle. [00:15:00] 

[00:15:00] Ayrton: But can't we just have the momentum? Doesn't it 

[00:15:02] Wayne: feel weird not having the footy? Yeah, but the best spectacle. Like I said, the argument to it is only about having the best players play.

[00:15:10] Wayne: So this week we're going to have more players be fit because they've had that extra week off. So they're going to be fitter, stronger, feeling better about themselves. So you would hope we get a, you know, a really good product. And that's the argument I think going into the grand final as well. So then you've got the two best teams.

[00:15:28] Wayne: Um, and you're going to get the best grand final hopefully that, that you can have. And that's why I'm now flip flopping and I'm saying it should be before the granny, not 

[00:15:36] Ayrton: before. I did notice in the NRL actually on the weekend, so Storm played, uh, was the Broncos. So that would have been otherwise a huge game, but both sides rested about 10 players, which is why the AFL originally brought in the, um.

[00:15:50] Wayne: And the Storm won and Penrith ended up winning the minor premiership. And now Melbourne play Brisbane again this week in the first final. 

[00:15:58] Ayrton: They haven't beaten them in a while. But [00:16:00] that's, I guess, I guess that's what the AFL was trying to avoid. Melbourne have got a 

[00:16:03] Wayne: very good record in Brisbane. 

[00:16:06] Ayrton: Did Wally 

[00:16:07] Wayne: tell you that?

[00:16:07] Wayne: No, I Uber on the way to the 

[00:16:09] Ayrton: airport. Right, going back to this game, Collingwood Melbourne, right. So tell me who's going to win this game, please. 

[00:16:15] Wayne: Yeah, I'll stick with what I've been saying all year. And I think Melbourne will win the game. I think they. Last time they played, I thought Melbourne had the better of them.

[00:16:25] Wayne: Should have won by a bigger margin. And Collingwood, um, and, and both sides have got, um, you know, some players out. But I, I just think that, um, I think Melbourne are the better team for me. If I'm, if I'm trusting, like I said, if I'm trusting anyone. I know Collingwood finished on top, but I'm, I just think Melbourne are the, will win.

[00:16:48] Ayrton: So the midfield battle is an interesting one. Collingwood maybe has been beaten a little bit in recent times. They've used Tom Mitchell in negating roles here and there. Clayton Oliver got some attention a fortnight [00:17:00] ago with Finn McGuinness. Do you give Tom Mitchell to Clayton maybe to try and curb his influence or?

[00:17:05] Wayne: There's plenty of ways. The thing about these, these midfielders and these, uh, teams, they don't like to lock down. I mean, we have, we only have one team that's doing it at the moment in McGuinness for Hawthorne and they're down, you know, in the, in the SoRan. So they back their own system in. And you have to go, unless you, I mean, unless that player, and, and, and probably Mitchell if he was to play, he has that ability to, he has that ability to, I would say negate, but then, you know, find the footy.

[00:17:35] Wayne: It's just whether he, you know, the magnet comes out and he, he goes ball hunting too much. And that's what you, that's what you don't want, especially if you're playing a specific role. But it's a fascinating game for a number of reasons. I mean, if you look at Collingwoods, um, you know, you've got Majercek and Elliot up there.

[00:17:51] Wayne: Um, and you've got McStay, and, and, you know, does, does Cox get a game? I mean, there's all these, all these different scenarios. Um, [00:18:00] and Melbourne, for the same reasons, all of a sudden they've got some injuries, um, in that forward half of their ground, and they haven't been settled up there all year. So, I think that's, that's the, the team that uses the ball best and converts the best.

[00:18:12] Wayne: And I know that sounds pretty simple, but teams have struggled with that this year. But if you, if you nail your chances, And, and your decision making's better than the opposition and you use it, I think that'll be the team. They're two 

[00:18:25] Ayrton: pretty contrasting styles in a way. Collingwood has been more attacking, Melbourne's probably more defensive and scoring's been an issue for them.

[00:18:32] Ayrton: But do you think in a final, in a, that, that style 

[00:18:36] Wayne: maybe... Well defence, they say defence wins premierships. Um, you know, you, you, you... It has stood up. If you look at all the statistics, they say, you know, you'd rather be a better defending team than an attacking team. Um, and I think it, I think under extreme pressure in finals footy, then that, you know, the way Collingwood play and the way they [00:19:00] want to take the game on and go through the corridor and they play with a freedom and they're never out of the game because of that's how they play.

[00:19:06] Wayne: But if Melbourne can make them pay, and this is, and this is always the argument. If you're going to play, if a team's going to play that way against you, you've just got to make them pay when it's your chance. And that's what a lot of teams haven't been able to do against Collingwood. 

[00:19:20] Ayrton: How will someone like Darcy Moore be feeling coming into the game, uh, off a break?

[00:19:25] Ayrton: Off an injury break? Do you have any doubts going into a final because it's that extra level up and you're going 

[00:19:31] Wayne: to be required? No, Darcy or Collingwood. Will he have any? Will he have any? No, I wouldn't have thought so. No. He's played long enough now. He's a good enough player to, to understand. Um, what, what'll be fascinating is like, who, who, who's actually going to play centre half forward for Melbourne?

[00:19:48] Wayne: We don't know that yet. So he'll, uh, I assume in a final, he'll want to play a little bit tighter than what he maybe normally does. 

[00:19:56] Ayrton: I knew you were going to go there. Carlton Sydney is the game on, uh, Friday night. [00:20:00] I'm really undecided about this game, because you feel like Curtin has ridden this sort of wave of momentum a little bit, but Sydney, they've been there, done that before, even though they are a young, this version of Sydney is a younger team.

[00:20:13] Ayrton: What do you think about 

[00:20:14] Wayne: that game? Oh, it's a good, it's a very good question. It's the 50 50 one for me, I mean, they're all 50 50, let's be honest, they're finals, I think they could all go either way. Um, I, I look at. Look, I look at Sydney and their form hasn't been great, you know, over the last month, you know, they've fallen in a couple of things have gone their way.

[00:20:39] Wayne: Um, and then you look at the blues and they bought, since they bought Mackay back, it's almost like they've been a little bit. Um, disheveled, I reckon. And he's only kicked the one goal in the two weeks, played a little bit in the ruck. So for me, I'm, I'm, yeah, I'm undecided. I probably the fact that Cripps and a few others come [00:21:00] back in for the Blues and they had a few out in their last game, then I'm probably, I'm probably going with the Blues.

[00:21:06] Wayne: Um. 

[00:21:08] Ayrton: Sydney, what? What will it mean to Pat Crips this game? He hasn't played a, he hasn't played a final, has he? Yeah. Well I think 

[00:21:13] Wayne: there's Hasn't won a no, no. I think there's a few players, you know, the few players in this final series that would just love to stamp. You think about Crips, you think about Kerno who's missed so much footy, and now he's won the last two common medals, and you just know that there's players that should play.

[00:21:28] Wayne: That should play on the big stage. And I reckon they're the, they're the two, um, for Carlton. I think, um, that you, you, you'll sit down and go, I really want to see how they go. And on the other side, there's only one bloke that I want to see. I want to see him step, and that's Heaney. I want to, I want to see him really step up and, and play a, a massive final.

[00:21:49] Wayne: He's got a massive reputation, Heaney. He's got a lot of ability, and I think he's been a really good player. But I don't think he's had a full consistent, Yes, I'd love to see him really [00:22:00] stand up in a, in a final series, and in a big final. 

[00:22:03] Ayrton: I'm a, I'm a big agree there on, on Heaney. I think he gets some big raps externally, and I, I, I just, I haven't seen it enough.

[00:22:11] Ayrton: Like, his best is very good, but can, can go missing as well. Do you, how old were you in your first final, 19, 20? Um, maybe, maybe wouldn't have meant as much to you as what it will to a Paddy Cripps who's waited, who's waited so long. I mean, we talk about it every year, but. What, what gap is there between round 23 Well it's 

[00:22:30] Wayne: just, it's just the intensity and the pressure just goes to a whole new level.

[00:22:35] Wayne: And then the, the psychology, so it's how you obviously prepare. What you don't want to be doing is dreaming of, of dominating the game. As soon as you do that, you'll go out and get a kick up the backside and not get anywhere near it. So it's, it's, the mental preparation, the physical preparation gets planned for you.

[00:22:52] Wayne: But the mental preparations... More important than the physical. You've done, you've done, you've done all of that. Did you ever 

[00:22:58] Ayrton: play any games in your head [00:23:00] before you played the game? Or, or was that 

[00:23:01] Wayne: something you were pretty good at? Oh, you did. No, no, no. No doubt. I would've no doubt I have. Um, and, and that just comes and, and sometimes it's game, the game.

[00:23:09] Wayne: Sometimes there's a pressure, like Paddy Cripps, the captain of his footy club, understands if he has a ripping game, they'd probably win. Char Charlie Kerno. There's only certain players in every team that understand, and this is what. This is what I guess, um, not only supporters, but the people within the club don't, I don't think they'd necessarily go out of their way to support because I, I have no doubt in my mind right now, Cripps is thinking, Oh, if I have a big one, we win.

[00:23:41] Wayne: If I, if I have a quiet game, we could get beat. That's a burden that only he can handle and only he can, um, go about trying to, uh, put the, put, you know, and he can get advice on that, but there's none better than Michael Voss. Problem is, Michael Voss, uh, when he [00:24:00] was, well not the problem, but when he was captain of Brisbane, you know, he had some pretty handy, he had a pretty handy support group around him.

[00:24:06] Wayne: So, I don't reckon Vossy would have gone, even though. He would understand and be able to give Cripps a heap of advice. This is a different pressure, I reckon, than what Voss would have gone through as captain of Brisbane. Because he did have some unbelievable players around him. I don't think that Cripps has got that.

[00:24:26] Wayne: So that burden, I think, lays more firmly on his shoulders. Sincura GWS 

[00:24:32] Ayrton: is a nutwork and they're all interesting games as we've said. The fact that it's in Melbourne, uh, it's at the G though, so it's not Marvel where Sincura have played a lot of their best footy, I almost wonder whether GWS can snatch this one.

[00:24:45] Wayne: Could be a nil or draw this. No, I like, no, as I said, I love, I just think it's gonna be a dower. battle, you know, this will be, I think this could be a really cracking final, but just [00:25:00] half hard. GWS play a brand now that I think everyone respects. Ross Lyons certainly, um, given some kilter, um, um, the respect of the AFL world for this year.

[00:25:11] Wayne: I think we, all of us, none of us expected them to play finals, which is why for all those people that gave me some great advice on who should be, um, you know, the coach of the year. There are others that we didn't expect, GWS being the other one. Um, so for me, it, you know, this is just going to be tough, hard footy.

[00:25:32] Wayne: I'm, I'm really looking forward to this. I know this is the one, if you look at all the finals, it doesn't have the, you know, the flashiness of the others, but I think this could be a cracker. 

[00:25:43] Ayrton: The final game is Brisbane against Port and for both of these teams, the home final advantage is big for the winner in a prelim.

[00:25:52] Ayrton: So Brisbane, I mean, they should, 

[00:25:55] Wayne: shouldn't they? Well, having just been there, no, Port Adelaide could beat them, [00:26:00] there's no question. The biggest thing with playing in Brisbane is The humidity and the difference in climate up there with, you know, like the last few days, you know, 24, 25, 26 of a night, just that humidity.

[00:26:14] Wayne: So it's getting your second wind and the ball does become a little bit slipperier in those conditions. So, you know, who knows what, what sort of conditions you got, but it is a massive advantage for them up there. They've got the firepower. So for me, and I've only mentioned, I haven't mentioned a player from every team because.

[00:26:32] Wayne: I don't think there is a player from every team that I'm looking forward to watching in a final, but I'm looking forward to watching Joe Danaher and for some reason I knew you were gonna say, well, he's a four. Well, he's a forward, it's Crips for Carlton, but Joe Danaher for me, yeah. Stand up in a final and send your team into a prelim like that.

[00:26:49] Wayne: Accused, because, you know, he's, he's a talented, uh, footballer that can, can do anything, but then he can, he can make the most horrific [00:27:00] mistakes on the footy field. Um, You know, he can go from a 10 to, to a one very quickly within a game, let alone from one game to another. So I, I, I'm really looking forward to, uh, Joe standing up and, and you know, maybe kicking a four or a five and, you know, getting his team over the line.

[00:27:17] Wayne: He 

[00:27:17] Ayrton: has played some big games on, when I say the big stage, like Anzac Day's, a big games for Cent against Ollywood. I saw an interesting article with Chris Fagan actually. Uh, In the last few days, speaking about the Hawthorne investigation and how he almost felt embarrassed or he felt like he couldn't go out in public, he would only go out at night, he'd go for his walks at night because he didn't want anyone to see him.

[00:27:40] Ayrton: Can you sort of empathise with that and what's that like when you know that people are sort of, well you feel like everyone's going to be 

[00:27:47] Wayne: judging you. Yeah, it's a terrible, it's toxic shame it's called. Um, and it's, and it's a terrible, uh, it's a terrible feeling. I know exactly how, how he was feeling and [00:28:00] I'm just glad that he's, and, and clearly Clarke O, you know, went through the, went through the same thing.

[00:28:05] Wayne: But it's, it's great to see that someone's, um, of his standing and have gone through that to talk about that he's gone through that. Now, very different to other people that have that. Because they're not in the paper or they're not well known and he, you know, so there's a difference to it when, when that's the case.

[00:28:23] Wayne: So for him to even talk about it, I think, I didn't read the article by the way, but just, you know, for him to say that I think is quite incredible. And the fact that he's come out the other side, um, is a, is a, is awesome. A bit of 

[00:28:37] Ayrton: trade news around this week involving your former club. Um, Ben McKay has obviously been spoken about, whether he goes to Sydney or Essendon or wherever and what that means for draft picks.

[00:28:47] Ayrton: The other one that keeps popping up now is Taron Thomas. I think a few months ago, North Melbourne people might have been happy enough to get a decent pick for Taron, but his last month, in my opinion, was, he was nearly their best player. [00:29:00] Is... Is he a guy now that you don't want to lose, or do you think with the baggage that is around him, there's a threshold in terms of a draft pick for 

[00:29:08] Wayne: Taron?

[00:29:08] Wayne: I'm just a believer in, in a, if a club has supported you through those issues, then, and, and you are, and clearly they've supported him through those issues for the main reason why they have, because if he, if he wasn't a good player he would have been given the arse four times. So the simple fact is, they've supported you through that, so why would, why would they want him to leave now that they know, you know, if he's, if he's through?

[00:29:34] Wayne: If, if they let him go, then I think they know more than what, than what anyone else does. And if that is the case, then you'd be, you might be concerned. But I, I think he's a very, very good player. Um, like I said, I, I don't know exactly what occurred. I don't believe what I read in the paper. I don't believe, um, everything I read.

[00:29:54] Wayne: Clearly, he's got something going on and North have supported him through that. So for me, [00:30:00] um, I think he owes North. 

[00:30:01] Ayrton: Yep. Is there, is there a pick that turns your head as a North person or because he's now an established player? It's gotta be top 10. Okay. 

[00:30:09] Wayne: Yep. Has to be a top 10 pick. He was a top 10 pick.

[00:30:12] Wayne: 10. Yep. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think he, he will invariably show people why he was that pick. If he, if he's to, you know, um, commit himself to footy and do what he did in the, in the last sort of seven or eight games for North, I, I agree. I, I think he's a talent that they can't afford to lose. , in my opinion.

[00:30:33] Wayne: Yeah, I 

[00:30:33] Ayrton: guess with their midfield, I mean, they've got l d U, Luke Davis Uni, who's probably that point of difference in there. But with that, with Tarn Thomas, he's, he's that classy outside boys. So then 

[00:30:42] Wayne: Ward, I put Wardlaw in there and then, you know, she's all sort of, uh, comes up onto the ball a little bit more.

[00:30:47] Wayne: And, and there's others. And Scott, you know, uh, all of a sudden, you know, playing really good footy, they've, they've, they've got some options now that they can throw the through there. So I'm not, I'm not letting him in go if everything's good. [00:31:00] 

[00:31:00] Ayrton: We've got a lot of comments from our listeners this week.

[00:31:03] Ayrton: Hundreds, in fact. Sifted through all of these to get the best of them. We 

[00:31:08] Wayne: did have some... While you were 

[00:31:10] Ayrton: on the drink. No, I did it before actually. I did a bit of pre planning for the show knowing that... Maybe I was going to have a beverage last night. Uh, there were quite a few comments about our, our, uh, possum conversation last, a few, a few people said, so this is from Paul, had a gigawari wearing possums, my 90 year old mum delights in picking them out whenever watching TV.

[00:31:31] Ayrton: That's a wig. She's mostly right too. And then there was uh, Anthony who said, The possum topic had me laughing out loud. Piss funny, never heard them referred to as possums until today. 

[00:31:41] Wayne: So we're going to do, actually you know what, that's what we'll do. We'll do a possum, um, show. We'll get it, we'll get that up.

[00:31:47] Wayne: Um, we'll hopefully get up, if you can keep yourself on the straight and narrow. We'll get that up before the end of the 

[00:31:56] Ayrton: week. I thought You were talking about me as a 

[00:31:58] Wayne: human being. We might even put a possum on your [00:32:00] head just for the show. Show people what they can look like. Talked to a few 

[00:32:04] Ayrton: blokes on the weekend, actually, saying they might go over to Turkey and get a, get a possum.

[00:32:07] Ayrton: Um, a few comments about Kiss. So, uh, this is from Shane. Another Ripper episode, Wayne and Ayrton. Kiss perform at the Grand Final, absent bloody lutely. Uh, also important discussion. RE Gay AFL men's players coming out. You and Ayrton handled it well, and I find myself agreeing with you, Wayne. Gee, you must be intelligent.

[00:32:25] Ayrton: Who cares? But, as Etan pointed out, there would still be people that, you know, would make a bigger issue of it. And that is perhaps the, the problem, 

[00:32:34] Wayne: the problem first. Well, who, who would make, yeah, well, very good, very good, uh, observations by the way. Um, yeah, well, as far as I can see, the only people that would make a big deal of it would be the, the fanfare around it, the media, and everyone else.

[00:32:49] Wayne: I don't think anyone else gives a crap. If you were to walk around the streets, do you care? Do you care, you don't, you're not looking at someone wondering about what their sexual preference is. You, no one cares anymore. No one [00:33:00] cares if you're, um, you know, you're wearing a, a bright, you know, 25 different coloured shirt or you've got a possum on your head or, you know, you've got 25 ear, like people just don't care about that stuff anymore.

[00:33:11] Wayne: So that's why I'm saying it's just not, so great observation and I think, um, I think that particular, who was that that sent that through? Give him a mention. That was from Shane 

[00:33:21] Ayrton: I think. Shane, well done Shane. I've already, I've already scrolled past him. Sorry Shane. Uh, I really like this one because there's a bit of praise for myself in this one.

[00:33:28] Ayrton: This is from Lawrence. Uh, another reason why, well not this bit, the second half, another reason why Toby doesn't cut it, doesn't cut it as All Australian captain, he should have known about the points required for a home final for the sake of the club, the members and the fans. We did speak about how that was maybe a bit unusual.

[00:33:46] Ayrton: The Seven Network were posting the progressive ladder. Anyway, skip through the rest of his, his uh, comment, uh, this is from Lawrence. Duck has had a shocker this week. Comparing errors is hypothetical BS LOL [00:34:00] Ayrton takes the points. So he was, you know, we were talking about... He's saying you can compare it.

[00:34:04] Ayrton: No, we were talking about forwards and how you were... I said you can't 

[00:34:08] Wayne: compare errors, I've always 

[00:34:09] Ayrton: said that. Yeah, no, we were talking about, you reckon someone's going to come in and kick 100 goals in 10 

[00:34:14] Wayne: years once we get someone... No, when we get someone good enough, we'll have someone kick 100 goals. 

[00:34:19] Ayrton: Duck has had a shocker this 

[00:34:20] Wayne: week.

[00:34:21] Wayne: I hope we can, uh, I hope we're all still here to see 

[00:34:24] Ayrton: it. I'll put that Duck's had a shocker, poor fella. I really, it really tickled my fancy. You're having a shocker. I am having a shocker. I, I've, I've written a few other comments down, but I've kind of skipped over them. And so now I've lost my place. Oh, Kiss was the other one.

[00:34:41] Ayrton: Oh no, we already went through that. Here we go. This is from Great White. 

[00:34:45] Wayne: You are, you are off 

[00:34:47] Ayrton: today. A couple of questions a few listeners would be keen on. What was the best game you played on an individual level? And what happened to Adrian McAdam? He went from zero to hero and back again in about 12 rounds.

[00:34:58] Wayne: Um, [00:35:00] um, Oh look, I, I always say that, uh, there was a game that I played against Geelong and I had one arm and it was in the wet. And I kicked 7 5 or something and we kicked 11 for the game and won a final. It was in a final. And, uh, I shouldn't have been, I, well, I could lift my arm up, my right arm actually, it was, I'd come back from a shoulder reconstruction that year.

[00:35:21] Wayne: So, I, for those reasons, I think that's one of the better games that I've played. But, um, it's always hard. Uh, in terms of Adrian McAdam, I played junior footy with Adrian McAdam in Adelaide. Uh, then when he came to North, um, had that breakout year, kick 63 or 64. First three games, I think it was 7, 10, 6. Like, quite, like, incredible.

[00:35:42] Wayne: It does make it, uh, a bit easier when you're getting the third or fourth best defender. Um, and they're focused on one or two of the other forwards more so than they were Adrian. I think once they worked out that they weren't able to give him that freedom, then that's why the gap closed very [00:36:00] quickly on him.

[00:36:00] Wayne: He was unbelievably talented. But if you gave him, and by the way, he was six foot four. So he's my height, had arms, had, had, you know, one of those, one of those builds where his arms were longer, you know how they say if you put your arms out. It's, that's your height, or I reckon if he put his arms out he would have been another metre.

[00:36:18] Wayne: So a big wingspan. He had a big wingspan, and he was, and he just had unbelievable talent. He had massive, um, hands, um, beautiful kick, highly skilled, so one little bit of space and he'd cut you to ribbons, and, um, don't give him the opponent that he deserves and he'll do the exact same. That's why, and that's why invariably you got that, you got that opponent in the end and that's why I think he dropped off.

[00:36:42] Ayrton: So Luigi has said you're dead. This is back on the Ford stop. You did said hang on. Is this 

[00:36:46] Wayne: Mario's brother or no It's been a movie. It's been a movie. You know what my kids love Mario and Luigi Moving on. Thanks, 

[00:36:55] Ayrton: Luigi. You're dead set spot on about the Fords of today compared to your time [00:37:00] before, so this guy, this guy is with you.

[00:37:02] Ayrton: I'm a Port person now, Fords disappoint. What are your thoughts on Charlie Dixon's football? Uh, 

[00:37:09] Wayne: when he's on, he's very important to Port. If he can stand up, he's, he's one of the X factors that you sort of go, wow, if he was to, for instance, bob up this weekend, then Port could win. If he was playing, is he playing?

[00:37:24] Wayne: I 

[00:37:24] Ayrton: think he's under a cloud, 

[00:37:25] Wayne: Charlie. Yeah, well if he does, um, massive X factor. I, I, I like the way he plays, but he doesn't always, doesn't always judge the footy as much, as well as I would like for a big key guy, but when he does judge it well, he's a very good player. 

[00:37:40] Ayrton: I'm just looking at the clock here, I don't actually know what time we started.

[00:37:44] Ayrton: Have we been going for long enough for this episode, have 

[00:37:46] Wayne: we, or? You're in a, you're in a, you know who you are, it doesn't matter how long we go for. You're in a bit of a daze, I think we've got to just put you out for a spell for a couple of days. I'll tell you what we are going to do though, because the possum [00:38:00] discussion, and I've got a list, I've got a list a mile long, and there's a list that some people don't know about.

[00:38:06] Wayne: Any surprises? Is that what you're saying? Paul, there's a lot of possums out there, people don't understand that they're possums. Okay. We're going to uncover, we're going to uncover these possums and let people know that that's what they're really looking at. I mean, we know, you know, there's some very well known sports people that have got possums and are on TV.

[00:38:25] Ayrton: I feel like you tiptoed around this last week. You're going to give me one, just give me one now, can you, 

[00:38:29] Wayne: um, okay, well there's two people that are very, very, uh, prominent in the media, AFL media, and also cricket media that both have possums. 

[00:38:41] Ayrton: When you say cricket media, do you mean past player? 

[00:38:45] Wayne: Both past players, one AFL and one cricket, and they've both got really...

[00:38:50] Wayne: I reckon they're ordinary possums, to be honest, both of them. I 

[00:38:53] Ayrton: reckon I know the cricket, I don't reckon 

[00:38:55] Wayne: I know the... They're not, I mean, when I say ordinary, they're not as bad as other... They're just, [00:39:00] there's a little tail or a little bit of, you know, little... 

[00:39:05] Ayrton: Yeah. And when you're talking about, the cricketer I think you're talking about, just be very careful because I think he's a legend, this guy you're talking about.

[00:39:11] Ayrton: But the football, I don't know where you're going. Anyway, it's been a pleasure, uh, having you accompany again today. Well, let 

[00:39:17] Wayne: people send in and let them guess on, on who the possum wearers are. Keep sending 

[00:39:23] Ayrton: your comments in too, we always love going through them every week, especially when, uh, we maybe don't do as much prep as we should because we're at Mad Monday or Silly Sunday.

[00:39:33] Ayrton: But, big finals this week, I look forward to seeing you, uh, next week though.